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  • #3,601
  • Feb 5, 2019 5:53am Feb 5, 2019 5:53am
Hi all
First congratulations mrgmrg for your work.
In post 3589, could you indicate the test period...?
I have tested your set from 2017 but unfortunately the EA is crashing in 2017 may.
  • #3,602
  • Feb 5, 2019 6:08am Feb 5, 2019 6:08am
Quoting zoraxfx
Hi all First congratulations mrgmrg for your work. In post 3589, could you indicate the test period...? I have tested your set from 2017 but unfortunately the EA is crashing in 2017 may.
Hi Zoraxfx
Thank you

That's the Jan-Dec 2018 period
Yes, with setfile HighRisk, for 2017 the problem is 3 times including in May
In practice, setfile HR does need to look at conditions to anticipate soft long trends. For example by setting up a backup fund, or using the existing emergency button.
And this is just a setfile example that needs to adjust to Pair specifications and the broker used.

Rgds
margiyono61 gmail com, Telegr @Margiyono
  • #3,603
  • Feb 5, 2019 9:49pm Feb 5, 2019 9:49pm
To those who don't have a license, V1_10 can be used with Real accounts until the end of this week
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  • #3,604
  • Feb 5, 2019 11:27pm Feb 5, 2019 11:27pm
Today EurAud is a big jump. And my open the Trades:
0.01 , 0.07 , 0.08 , 0.08 and 0.08

it Looks so strange
  • #3,605
  • Feb 5, 2019 11:32pm Feb 5, 2019 11:32pm
Quoting bw-man
Today EurAud is a big jump. And my open the Trades: 0.01 , 0.07 , 0.08 , 0.08 and 0.08 it Looks so strange
I think is normal, Why 0.8, 0.08, and 0.08 again. I have often explained, because the parameter is the limited by Max_Reopen
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  • #3,606
  • Feb 6, 2019 4:55am Feb 6, 2019 4:55am
About DD and Profit

Here is an example of BT with the same capital, same period (Jan-Dec 18), but the results are far different.
I believe you can make choices and look for the right settings according to the Pair / broker specifications
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  • #3,607
  • Feb 6, 2019 8:04am Feb 6, 2019 8:04am
Quoting mrgmrg
About DD and Profit Here is an example of BT with the same capital, same period (Jan-Dec 18), but the results are far different. I believe you can make choices and look for the right settings according to the Pair / broker specifications {image} {image} {image}

which set gave you 15% of DD ??? can you share the set file and tell us which broker you use?
  • #3,608
  • Feb 6, 2019 2:21pm Feb 6, 2019 2:21pm
Quoting martico79
{quote} which set gave you 15% of DD ??? can you share the set file and tell us which broker you use?
Hi Martico

The following is an example of two files with DD 15 and 16%, broker JF, ECN, Leverage 1: 500, Spreads 7
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File Type: zip A HR 33 b2.zip   4 KB | 254 downloads
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  • #3,609
  • Feb 6, 2019 3:16pm Feb 6, 2019 3:16pm
Quoting martico79
{quote} which set gave you 15% of DD ??? can you share the set file and tell us which broker you use?
Mrg,
15%/16%?
or is one 24.77% and 15.57%?
  • #3,610
  • Feb 6, 2019 3:26pm Feb 6, 2019 3:26pm
Quoting Johannes7
{quote} Mrg, 15%/16%? or is one 24.77% and 15.57%?
Setfile A_HR_331, 15% (MM_Multiplier = 9930)
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  • #3,611
  • Feb 6, 2019 3:42pm Feb 6, 2019 3:42pm
Quoting mrgmrg
{quote} Setfile A_HR_331, 15% (MM_Multiplier = 9930)
What's the difference in set files b1 and b2?
  • #3,612
  • Feb 6, 2019 4:03pm Feb 6, 2019 4:03pm
Quoting Johannes7
{quote} What's the difference in set files b1 and b2?
Sorry B2, it should MM_Multiplier=9925 for 16%
99xx ==> Please look for ideally, for example range 15-50
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  • #3,613
  • Edited 11:58pm Feb 6, 2019 11:43pm | Edited 11:58pm
Hi mrgmrg,
this is real account and not dreaming BT. My mind there is a logic fail in the Strategie. Because i see this the second time again. And if he do this, then he Need Long time (days) to close all the trades. Because he open "all" with the same lots. And not with Martingale Strategie.
The result is, that he Need a longer way from Course moving.
And if you see the EurAud Picture, then you can see, that he can go much more higher. And this with so many open trades with high lots. This is why the Risk is higher to kill the account with out of Money. If he would open 0.01 , 0,02 , 0,03.... then is the spread way much more longer and more safe vs crash.
And it is Always the same in Charts, if Comes so a big jump, he dont come down in short time. He will stay Long time in this high Position.
And now i can wait and hope again, that he dont go again higher.

And this is why i say, here is a logic Strategie failer.
And my Min Grid is already by 20 !

And second what i dont like is, why he open the 3rd trade so close to 2nd trade ? Only 47pips ! This will not helping.

My mind we Need a emergency Strategie script for this. If he open 1 trade. Then jump the Course up. Then the open 2nd trade, and he scan that the distance from 1st and 2nd trade bigger then Grid 100. Then moddify the set values: min grid= 40, grid time Minute= 60, and lots size factor 1.2
This i think will help in this Situation.
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  • #3,614
  • Feb 7, 2019 12:35am Feb 7, 2019 12:35am
Quoting bw-man
Hi mrgmrg, this is real account and not dreaming BT. My mind there is a logic fail in the Strategie. Because i see this the second time again. And if he do this, then he Need Long time (days) to close all the trades. Because he open "all" with the same lots. And not with Martingale Strategie. The result is, that he Need a longer way from Course moving. And if you see the EurAud Picture, then you can see, that he can go much more higher. And this with so many open trades with high lots. This is why the Risk is higher to kill the account with out...
Hi BW-Man

1. No need to blame BT for what I did with the EU, the EURAUD condition (minor pair) at that time if BT was done the result would be as bad as the real. Maybe the ideal grid is used around 15-25 (I have never optimized minor pairs)

2. If you want Open Grid to be consistent, easy: Grid_Time_Minute = 0 and Disable Grid_Pause, in general the results are definitely worse

3. Emergency facilities, using Lock balance and others.

4. In general if the number of Grids> 15 is already a warning to take emergency action (Reference to EU with Grid 9)

Rgds
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  • #3,615
  • Feb 7, 2019 12:51am Feb 7, 2019 12:51am
Quoting mrgmrg
{quote} Hi BW-Man 1. No need to blame BT for what I did with the EU, the EURAUD condition (minor pair) at that time if BT was done the result would be as bad as the real. Maybe the ideal grid is used around 15-25 (I have never optimized minor pairs) 2. If you want Open Grid to be consistent, easy: Grid_Time_Minute = 0 and Disable Grid_Pause, in general the results are definitely worse 3. Emergency facilities, using Lock balance and others. 4. In general if the number of Grids> 15 is already a warning to take emergency action (Reference to EU with...
Hi mrgmrg,
to 1: you think that the BT result is a 100% Mirror to real running account ?
So it is real possible in 1 year to make 1 Million with only 1 pair ?

yes or no ?
  • #3,616
  • Feb 7, 2019 1:13am Feb 7, 2019 1:13am
HI BW-man,
BT is 0% a mirror to real account. (ecn)
I have twelve account on demo and real and in the last year I have ever lost money. (with M1, H1...)
The EA of MRG, I think is quite good If you use this EA and at the end of the day you move the profit in another account.

The problem is not the set file or the pair.
The problem is the martingale because there is ever a moment where the pair go down or up for many days (for example in the last days AUDJPY, GBPJPY AUDCHF and AUDUSD) and you reach your margin and lost all.
For example in this moment I have a demo account and I have to started in December with 5000$ and now I have 25.000$ but in the last two days I'm losing half of the capital because AUDCHF and AUDUSD race to the bottom does not stop.

I am a fan of MRG but the backtest with data from MT4 or REAL account or Dukascopy... are not real.

Now I try the new version and if we want this to work we need to work together because we have to find a way out, losing as little money as possible when a currency runs in one direction without bouncing.

what do you think about it?

Bye
  • #3,617
  • Feb 7, 2019 2:17am Feb 7, 2019 2:17am
Hi Ironshirow,
i am many years in this Business, and have many experience with some EA´s. And i have testet expensive EA´s. And no one is a holy grail.
But what i see is, that every EA have a good function, but it will be destroit by other function or function thats not working.

E.G. this EA: Because this high Course jumps, this is why Politik People are speaking, and then the market People will buy sell crazy. And for this is a newsfilter helping, that he stopping trading bevor the Politik speaking. I have already sent the files from other EA to mrgmrg. he Need only implement it.

Or i test a another new EA. I like it how he open trades, e.g. the lots: 0.01 , 0.01 , 0.01 , 0.02 , 0.02 , 0.02 , 0.03...….. This is softly and more safe vs crash.

of Course this EA is good, but not safe enough. And this is what i try to say.

And because the BT Results, i say this, because many People here are new, and no experience, and if they see this Pictures with millions, then they trust this, and lose many Money. Want we this ? i dont think so.

Thats why i say we must come back to reality. The BT can not work from MT4, because he have not all data, and the market have not fixed spread number, it is Always moving, and this dont know the BT.
We Need a another real tool with 100% data from all values, to make a test to come near the reality.
  • #3,618
  • Feb 7, 2019 3:24am Feb 7, 2019 3:24am
Quoting bw-man
Hi Ironshirow, i am many years in this Business, and have many experience with some EA´s. And i have testet expensive EA´s. And no one is a holy grail. But what i see is, that every EA have a good function, but it will be destroit by other function or function thats not working. E.G. this EA: Because this high Course jumps, this is why Politik People are speaking, and then the market People will buy sell crazy. And for this is a newsfilter helping, that he stopping trading bevor the Politik speaking. I have already sent the files from other EA to...
Have you back-teasted the EA with EurAud? What results did you get to make you feel comfortable putting it on a EurAud chart? I would not let this EA run on a pair like EurAud, EJ, GJ, GA or any other extreme volitale pair, unless I used it strickely as a trade manager, which I do to great success.

I agree 100%, that you should never trust a back-test, it should only be used as a guide to give you a sense as to whether or not the logic of your EA is working as intended and I won't even consider a back-test result on anything less than 99% data quality, as the final results means nothing. I'm having no issues running version 9 fully automatic on a real account, EU only, with a starting capital of 5k, I would say, 2k should be the minimum per pair for this EA.
  • #3,619
  • Feb 7, 2019 3:38am Feb 7, 2019 3:38am
Quoting Ironshirow
HI BW-man, BT is 0% a mirror to real account. (ecn) I have twelve account on demo and real and in the last year I have ever lost money. (with M1, H1...) The EA of MRG, I think is quite good If you use this EA and at the end of the day you move the profit in another account. The problem is not the set file or the pair. The problem is the martingale because there is ever a moment where the pair go down or up for many days (for example in the last days AUDJPY, GBPJPY AUDCHF and AUDUSD) and you reach your margin and lost all. For example in this moment...
Trading AC and AU, is like trading GJ and EJ, why are you doubling your risk? Would you put this EA on a GJ and EJ chart at the same time and let it trade? Did you try to trade the EA through the Australian news, which caused the run?

I don't get it, we all know the BT for trading one pair can cause DD of greater than 50%, why are we trying to trade the EA on more than one pair? Stick to one pair, 2 max and trade it like you would manually.
  • #3,620
  • Feb 7, 2019 5:27am Feb 7, 2019 5:27am
Hello everyone, we learned from all the profit / loss events.

1. This EA still has the possibility of an MC, so some parameters are prepared to deal with an emergency if Over DD occurs.

2. Correct that is said Anpar, with Margin_Percent 0.2 or 0.3% for one Pair, especially EU with Leverage 1: 500. So if you use more than 3 pairs, you are at high risk. But actually with 1 or 2 pairs with "0" signals, in a day there are 30-50 transactions / pair, I think that is enough.
I use 3-5 pairs, but in trending conditions, it only activates 1-2 pairs.

3. Only with 0.3% and 1 Pair can it be big profit ?
Can be with High Risk

For example capital 2000
The first transaction is 0.02 lots, Setfile High Risk 33 normally counts as follows:
EURUSD has an ADR of 80-100 pips
Assuming there are 10 Grids, then
Total Lot size around: 2.16
Used margin: 2.16 X 230 = S496.8
Close at 25%, Profit: 25% X 496.8 = $ 124.2
In one cycle begins with 0.02 lots, can generate $ 124.2

4. About BT, Try from the results of FT Live Demo or Live Real account periodically (eg weekly or daily) and then do BT with the same parameters. Next, compare the differences and why, we need to discuss and find a solution.

So how much risk will be taken, depending on the style of the trader


Rgds
margiyono61 gmail com, Telegr @Margiyono
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