The Classic Mystery...Of Scammers and Trolls..

LeanhoneyJD,
while waiting for Fractal ( he is busy with other projects),
why dont you show of what have you learned from the thread so far?
only the parts of course what is available from here.

yes, the thread has some valid points, and yes, some charts look intriguing ( even though most are heavily cropped).

probably you wont need more than 2 hands to count the charts that has explanation, and most horridos are hard to verify as you cant cross check actual entries and exits. the bias is anyhow, that not many want to look "dumb" and if ever posted a thing that has trade relation, it was mostly a horrido or thank you, but never, ever that life changing enlightenment proven by as much as a demo account of a couple week/s.
i mean, i can show you so many X days winnings, one would wonder why 'those in the know' and higher understanding cant.

again, the thread has some interesting parts, but sadly it is limited to about 100-200 posts out of the 10000.
in fact, by large, those "trolls" are the only one who keep it alive!!
in my humble opinion it is obsession on a sick level from both side. to a level where trading doesnt count anymore. neither side.
as there is virtually zero there.
the only component that could shut up real quick all. and is absent. real, live trading. and real results.

Mr farmer

Again, you make some valid points without the Bull>*]@.

I'd be lying if i said i didn't learn anything at all from that thread.
There are also some clever people (including yourself) who answered queries.

There maybe something in those charts/indicators but the static charts are of no use to me, if someone else gets something outta them then good look to them.
I don't just look at Horridos or memes i try to exam the facts and as i stated in my first post it got frustrating.

Maybe i don't need answers to everything.
If the Gang wanna hurl abuse instead of trading that's upto them, i just find it very strange and ask myself why would they do that?

Thanks for the advice.

Cheers
JD

the keyword in your post: static.
it is like in old times, when one could only get 15 min delayed stock quotes for free.

Bluesteele

Thank you for the reply over on the dark side, your reply will be greatly appreciated I'm sure.
1100 odd posts and finally something worth reading, all be it with the usual derogatory name calling.

Question. You referenced your reply quite succinctly to Fractals alleged approach to trading. Within Forex factory there are any number of threads that can be referenced to other traders, information, books, video's...and those threads could realistically be described as crap, but they get left alone. Why is that?

Now would be the perfect time for you to open up a thread and really help the Newbies, you don't need to get involved with the continual BS, it doesn't suit you.

In my opinion, my questions to you haven't been addressed, just side stepped, but that's Ok, Newbies will learn that this game is just smoke and mirrors.

M.

Effort by scammers to try and convince potential marks that they are not scamming:



Effort by scammers to try and convince the rest of us that they can actually trade:

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Good to hear from you Ken.
Isnt just the Scammers that produce pages upon pages of waffle.

Same to you man.
I agree, however it's not possible for Hall Of Shame thread to exist if there is no shady commercial activity taking place.

I was trying to highlight the wide disparity in selective transparency regarding FractalFreak thread. It seems to me that there was a big effort to try and prove that TT was not an FF sock puppet, at least until TT was silenced. There was equally great effort to cover up the business relation of FractalFreak to tarmo2000, and another big effort to maintain post 1, and another effort to smooth over any concern that FractalFreak was asking idiot questions on MQL forum.

All that work, phew.....I'm worn out just thinking about it. If even a fraction of that effort were dedicated towards actually trading, then his thread might actually have some use. That's obviously never going to happen though, so here we are, doomed to endlessly waffle on, at least until FF starts selling, gets banned, dies, or (cough,cough) uploads and maintains a live TE.

Oh well, in the meantime it's good for a few mutual laughs.

Hi Ken

In principal I agree with you regarding the Scammers Thread. To find and then Ban Scammers is an absolute priority, no one could argue with that.
Some on here are starting to think that that it's been taken over by the loudest in the playground, when in reality it should be run by a cool logical thinking member who goes about the business in a calm but efficient manner with a view to investigating all the facts before making judgement.
So far we have seen an unimpressive amount of chest beating followed by cock dangling from members who by now should be experienced in the art of sniffing out the Scammers. To say it's been run like a comic sketch is an understatement.
The Scam busters would have more credibility if they toned it down. Perhaps Twee should put in an appearance from time to time, although it's very easy to sit in the Ivory tower counting the revenue from the advertising.
Of course this is just my thoughts, and as a standard members thoughts count for Jack on this forum I'm not holding my breath.

Cheers

M.

Yes, I can see how some posting on Scammers thread is a bit comical. How can anyone take the excessive amount of bullshit on this Commercial forum seriously though. In fact, I hope you'll understand that I find it equally comical how these Commercial Members are avoiding any trading transparency like the plague. The way I see it.....A TE costs nothing. If a Commercial Member wants to give trading advice, then there should be no problem with proving that their advice works. If Commercial Member is not willing to put any effort in to prove it, then obviously any trading advice is bullshit, isn't it? Well, that's the logical way of looking at it, or....???

In an equivalent manner, the Commercial Members would have more credibility if they didn't try to lie all the time, and actually traded live accounts based on their advice/tools. Instead, any questions about actual trading remain unanswered, or we hear excuses as to why it is not possible, or we get put on ignore for asking why it's not possible. In FF case the number of lies have been numerous, and well documented: hedge fund manager, tarmo2000, FractalFreakX, and TimeTells. The red flags are waving all over the place, impossible to ignore. Just too much to be a coincidence.

I think I've said before, but my vote is to close Commercial sub-forum completely. There is no monetary value to be gained in Commercial, not for the average trader. Unless a member is wanting to run a scam, then they can probably do quite well here for a time, assuming they deem scamming to be a morally correct path that they are willing to follow.

Anyway, this will be my last post on your thread moody. We'll just run in circles again, pointless waffle and so on..... No hard feelings, I just agree to disagree.

Hi Profitfarmer

With your permission I would like to re-post your comments from the Scammers threads.
I applaud you. Assuming that you you did actually speak to Fractal, and forgive me but on this forum one never knows unless chatting face to face, you went out and found out for yourself rather than follow the hype.
I made the effort to contact Pete (TimeTells) who as far as I'm concerned is not Fractal or Fractals Cousin once removed, neither is he a scammer or a use of multiple usernames. In fact he is a thoroughly nice chat to speak to. If you are able to send him a PM or perhaps an email, please do so. It would help.
I see that your post has attracted a rather large response, no surprise there...well done for speaking out.

Bluesteele has once again posted some crap about Pete (TimeTells), and that little dog really does not let go of the bone, even when there is nothing to chew.

Cheers

M


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Quoting Bushy
{quote} Of course I am, I need the money for that mansion, how about £3.5m ?
not to start an argument here ( cos nothing against you)
but isnt this in a way exactly the same what you are doing?
ie.
show some screenshot, give a tease that you have something that works better than this or that product,
and share nothing, prove nothing the same time.

remember, as is, FractalFreak isnt selling anything in the moment, so is your equal for that.
what i mean, all this banter, but end of the day, it is good to get a fair trial, right?
and for the fairness belongs the equal facts equal conclusion, right?

let me disclose here something:
the other night i was chatting some with FractalFreak.
just a trader to trader way.
actually he is quite friendly, open, and yes, has some good trading knowledge.
yes, he trades, for fact, and yes, i believe he manages a hedge fund too. ( not all hedge fund is like PTJ, Renaissance, or Soros, etc size!!!)
since i also have prop trading experience, a lot of aspect relate to funds, like investor/principal's expectation, goals, fees, etc.
so, we had a good chat, and i am convinced he is pretty much what he says he is.
also, if someone has a basic understanding of internet search, one can get the relevant information on the net, too. it isnt rocket science to cross verify some info then.
since talking about disclosing; i was not particularly interested to discuss exacts, nor was offered.
what everyone should really understand, there is also both no reason to do, nor obligation to do, and finally no real relevance to any individual.
in the end, one should trade what one is comfortable with.
the thread has some merits in that front;
yes, experienced traders are aware of most what is presented...but the truth is, the majority of ppl on this forum ( or any forum) arent really that experienced.
it is enough to look on the expectations;
the threads popping up every other day, with clickbait titles,
never understanding the concept like cost of opportunity, or even overhead.
but i can see countless repeat of risk 1%, or have tight SL, or...i dont need to repeat on those, all ( ok, those with experience) know what sort of BS most.
when something in trading basic common knowledge, it just about stop to have value.
if everyone does the same thing, then who would be on the other side of a trade?
if it would be that simple as to wait for 2 MA lines to cross, and get millionaire, or better have an EA wait for you so you free to do whatever...i am sure the point is clear.
but dreaming is good.

so, as much as it hurts some egos,
the fact remains, that regular or commercial member, FractalFreak doesnt really have to disclose everything.
we all have different things motivating us to do or dont do something;for example, i used to spend some time 1 on 1 with members interested to learn some about what i am doing. even technically disclosing about all there is, i am not sure how much help it gave in the end for each.
what i know, that a year later, i am still trading, and still trading prop too.
their perception if it is working or not working, or useful or not useful...in the end has no effect on my own reality.

the same way,
while reading some back and forward arguing is fun to a point, there is some borders when it just become too much.
there are just some big facts what cant be ignored.
like no selling taking place.
and there are other facts what need to be respected and observed, probably trader side.
for example, some prop deals i can disclose, and others i have to keep private about what the conditions are exactly.
bcos it is part of the agreement.
in the end there are lines that should or could not be crossed. not in a forum, not in real life.
and especially in this age of the internet, when a lot of private data isnt that private anymore, it is important to keep certain distance, and not openly share private info on any public, open forum unless it is by own choice. most definitely not others choice.
if someone really a scammer, maybe.
but again, facts are facts, and in the end shouldnt be ignored.
if someone isnt selling, isnt scamming.
can argue on wasting time, or share flowed info, or whatever...a forum is to discuss. preferably in adult manner.

anyway,
a long post, LOL, i am sure some know what that mean.

happy trading!

Bluesteele........Do everyone a favour inc yourself and speak to Fractal, I'm sure profitfarmer will put you in touch.
Then speak to TimeTells, (Pete) will speak to you.
Then speak to me.
You will get a German sounding accent, an Australian accent and an English accent.
If after that you still think we are one and the same, then their isn't much else we can do to convince you.
In fact if you want to speak to Pete and I together on skype, then I'm sure that can also be arranged, he is in Brisbane, I'm in Tasmania at the moment.
I can tell you now we are three totally unconnected people.

Artcool....
That said, I do think FF=TT not because I have a proof but because there are so many obvious similarities between them and because TT referred to a post written a while ago by FF, saying ''my post''. I don't believe in so many coincidences...And yes, I do also believe FF is the kind of guy who can send PMs to himself to try to cover up himself...

Same for you Artcool. Speak to those that you think are scamming or using additional usernames. Stop guessing. You are wrong.

Copied your post in the "Scammers" thread....

Why do you quote my message from another thread ? Can't you post there ?

Nope, banned from Scammers and Fractals thread.

OK but it's confusing to have different threads for the same purpose. Create another username and come participate to our thread...Ask TT for some help in that matter

If I wanted an additional username it would be better to ask one of the scambusters..

Who?

hi moodybot,

yes, i spoke to Fractal about 1.5 hours on skype.
for real.
sometimes action is what needed, and i took the steps for it.
did my search on internet, and did contact him as he offered.
on a skype video call it isnt that easy to mislead as in a forum. cant copy/paste or edit.
it is easy to know another trader when someone is a trader, too.
plus there is hardware that hard to fake on a live video, just for a sake to mislead.
anyway, went into some topics what i am familiar more than a plain retail trader ( prop and managed accounts), and if someone without experience it would be easy to spot that too.

and i did say before that on scam thread things are going too long too far on this.
bcos the truth is for the time being there is no selling. and may never be. i can understand that. i was taking my time to talk to interested traders about my ways, or about prop trading, and never charged a dime for it.
while i have some disagreement on the content of the thread here and there, that isnt supersedes the facts.
even selling members - by the dozen- inhibit commercial section without any proof or whatsoever.
so yes, someone not selling should be just fine without.
i go further a step, and say even posting a chart is more than many others doing, commercial or not.

while i also feel there are huge void on the thread, that it isnt offer solution to issues raised, and that could be a key component,
the same time, i feel after doing my homework of internet searches, and looking up Fractal to talk, that he is in ways treated unfairly based on the current stage of things.
and one should be -still- rather based on the available facts, than a what-if future scenario that may or may not play out, ever.
i am not shy to say that out loud.

happy trading!

Now we have a fck fractal
aaand a fck thoose who want to fck fractal + dukas thread

Well done