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  • #9,541
  • Nov 29, 2018 5:24pm Nov 29, 2018 5:24pm
Quoting hilmy83
lol, paranoia. te..can be faked videos can be faked livestream..oh now that can be faked too now huh? what else??..how about we invite to each other's house and sit next to the trader while he trades...nope that can be faked too i guess, how do i know that this is your house?
Unless you had a state issued ID card that said you were Hilmy83 how would I know you are you? LOL! But then again, those could be fake also. hehehehehe.

Livestream would be the most difficult to fake in my opinion. It would be suspicious if there were a 1-2 minute delay in price movement between the live stream and what I see on the charts. You could probably get away with about 20 seconds most of the time then just blame the YouTube servers.
  • #9,542
  • Nov 29, 2018 5:25pm Nov 29, 2018 5:25pm
Quoting Divergence
Well I laid out how I trade showed charts showed live trading gave it freely nothing in it for me but to help this might be a good time to post less and less till I sail off into the sunset
No one is saying anyone is actually doing it, just that it is a possibility. I mean if we are going to be paranoid let's be paranoid.
  • #9,543
  • Nov 29, 2018 5:30pm Nov 29, 2018 5:30pm
Quoting hilmy83
lol, paranoia. te..can be faked videos can be faked livestream..oh now that can be faked too now huh? what else??..how about we invite to each other's house and sit next to the trader while he trades...nope that can be faked too i guess, how do i know that this is your house?
I think you were lifting polystyrene weights in that video on your thread. And even if they were real I think you got one of your mates (who is strong) wearing a disguise to look like you.

'in less than half an hour he made over 100 ticks'
  • #9,544
  • Nov 29, 2018 5:45pm Nov 29, 2018 5:45pm
I am not saying anyone is accusing me or hilmy I guess the point I am making is why post
  • #9,545
  • Nov 29, 2018 5:45pm Nov 29, 2018 5:45pm
i blame vee for bringing up this paranoia.

look facts are facts.

80-90% of traders will fail. no amount of videos, tutorials, livestreams with sexy trader (ahem), regulations,rules/laws etc., can change all that . so let's stop discussing real vs fake results cause at the end of the day, most of us will go bust.

here enjoy this fake beach scene..it'll calm you down for trading...

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  • #9,546
  • Nov 29, 2018 5:55pm Nov 29, 2018 5:55pm
Quoting magnumfreak
{quote} I have two data feeds coming into my computer right now. I can set the delay on my feed going to ninjatrader by however long I want. You can do a bunch with a 60 second delay. Then I monitor the other feed that has no delay going to another software package and look for the move to start. I only record the ninjatrader feed screen so to you it looks like I am a genius trader, never wrong. Most software uses a simple javascript interface so faking anything is just a matter of writing a little code. In fact, most companies will provide something...
Interesting to see about delay in price feed. That should be a regulatory issue imo. Kinda depressing but then Ninjatrader is just like MT4 imo as it is considered more like a software development platform than a client trading terminal. Sierra could also fall under that as you can do a lot of crap via programming. The MAIN reason for me to move to futures in the universal price feed coming to everyone directly from the exchange! If I lose faith in it then there is nothing else left for me but to do good old dollar-cost averaging as an investor.

With that said, care to explain what the legitimate reason is for such delay feature added to the data feed configuration in NT? I am following some gurus out here and elsewhere and they are all on NT which makes me think "WTF!".
Staying in my lane...
  • #9,547
  • Nov 29, 2018 5:58pm Nov 29, 2018 5:58pm
Quoting hilmy83
i blame vee for bringing up this paranoia. look facts are facts. 80-90% of traders will fail. no amount of videos, tutorials, livestreams with sexy trader (ahem), regulations,rules/laws etc., can change all that . so let's stop discussing real vs fake results cause at the end of the day, most of us will go bust. here enjoy this fake beach scene..it'll calm you down for trading... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNCzBY9w_fE&t=310s
Well said... but it is NOT me :-(

and I still think Live Stream is the most legit way to show trading skills in real time (and not trading performance) in a virtual setting. By this, I also mean via live Webex or GoToMeeting online screensharing platforms. There is simply no other fool proof way out there where live users can see and validate everything in real time.
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  • #9,548
  • Nov 29, 2018 6:03pm Nov 29, 2018 6:03pm
As far as I know you can't slow data in sierra and why the he'll would You? When I first met you VEE you we in a state of hate ignoring everyone in FF I may be in that place right bow with all this crap this is CG thread not mine so I no problem just bowing out not in the mood for bullcrap sandwich
  • #9,549
  • Nov 29, 2018 6:05pm Nov 29, 2018 6:05pm
Quoting VEEFX
{quote} Interesting to see about delay in price feed. That should be a regulatory issue imo. Kinda depressing but then Ninjatrader is just like MT4 imo as it is considered more like a software development platform than a client trading terminal. Sierra could also fall under that as you can do a lot of crap via programming. The MAIN reason for me to move to futures in the universal price feed coming to everyone directly from the exchange! If I lose faith in it then there is nothing else left for me but to do good old dollar-cost averaging as an investor....
There is nothing regulatory about it. If someone wants to delay the feed they can. I bet if you dug into it deep enough you would find a delay in Sierra. Even if the software didn't have it built in (I would have to look for it again, can't remember where I saw it) writing some code to act as a buffer would literally take just a few hours.

In NT you cannot even tell if they are using playback or live data. There is a small window that opens up for playback but it isn't docked anywhere so you can move it anywhere you want.
  • #9,550
  • Nov 29, 2018 6:10pm Nov 29, 2018 6:10pm
So what's the purpose for all that to dupe people into believing the system is good so they would buy something?
  • #9,551
  • Nov 29, 2018 6:13pm Nov 29, 2018 6:13pm
Quoting Divergence
As far as I know you can't slow data in sierra and why the he'll would You? When I first met you VEE you we in a state of hate ignoring everyone in FF I may be in that place right bow with all this crap this is CG thread not mine so I no problem just bowing out not in the mood for bullcrap sandwich
If you had a complex algo that needed 500 ms to calculate in order to be accurate then you would want to slow it down some. You start getting into Neural Nets and things like that and full speed data can be an issue. NT has a bad habit of bogging down computers.
  • #9,552
  • Nov 29, 2018 6:18pm Nov 29, 2018 6:18pm
Quoting Divergence
So what's the purpose for all that to dupe people into believing the system is good so they would buy something?
Most likely yes. Replay data can either be downloaded or recorded as it happens. Record a few hours of data each day, pick only the winners and let your magic robot trade those. Poof instant sale. You would be surprised at how few people request a refund in time even when it is offered. A good customer service department can delay most until it is too late anyway. There are very few people on YouTube and the like that aren't there for some financial benefit. There are some, just not many.
  • #9,553
  • Nov 29, 2018 6:36pm Nov 29, 2018 6:36pm
Well I don't need to sell anything I make good coin
  • #9,554
  • Nov 29, 2018 6:37pm Nov 29, 2018 6:37pm
nobody legit ever sell their means of making a living. that is the most stupidest thing ever. the best way to take advantage of your skills is to manage OPM. most of the great traders/investors have gone that route.

If they are selling and they were proven success, it was a one off success. Either they were lucky or just happen to be in the right place and right time (i.e trading during dot com or real estate investing prior to the crash).

SO NEVER TRUST ANYONE SELLING THEIR STRATEGIES.
  • #9,555
  • Nov 29, 2018 8:23pm Nov 29, 2018 8:23pm
I find it hard to post on ff now a days. I always end up canceling them after asking myself "Who are you doing this for again?"

Does that make me selfish?
  • #9,556
  • Nov 29, 2018 8:50pm Nov 29, 2018 8:50pm
my apologies to anyone who read my response as an accusation. Being a technical person (computer science graduate who is passionate about understanding how network/software works and what can be done with them) i always think about all the possibilities. When i read Vee's post, the thought just came to me that nothing is really temper proof and just wanted to point that out. To be honest i didn't read all the previous posts and certainly was not doubting anything you all share here.

Think of my response as a response coming from a technical consultant who is answering to say what can be tempered from tech perspective.

Being at the work at that time, i didn't think much about the post and seeing all the response just now. So once again Apologies.
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  • #9,557
  • Nov 29, 2018 11:07pm Nov 29, 2018 11:07pm
Quoting magnumfreak
{quote} ... You could probably get away with about 20 seconds most of the time then just blame the YouTube servers.
20 seconds in huge in markets. Just 5 second delay can help you "make" 100% return every day.. Taking NQ as an example, whenever NQ moves 4 ticks in 5 seconds (future), do a trade in that direction with 4 ticks TP knowing with certainty you will hit the TP.

Once again, not saying anyone is doing this. just a technical point.
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  • #9,558
  • Nov 30, 2018 1:04am Nov 30, 2018 1:04am
Quoting stt
{quote} 20 seconds in huge in markets. Just 5 second delay can help you "make" 100% return every day.. Taking NQ as an example, whenever NQ moves 4 ticks in 5 seconds (future), do a trade in that direction with 4 ticks TP knowing with certainty you will hit the TP. Once again, not saying anyone is doing this. just a technical point.
Hey STT, This is exactly how I made my first 100+% on first day of trading NQ live (actually 2nd day but 1st day on Sierra).... just by doing sellstop and buystop orders one at a time at micro SR levels with either 5TP or 9TP with some 50T SL but super quick flatten and get out in 2-3T loss (and as profit grows, let it run in loss just a little bit more upto say 20% of realized profit).... reverse RR indeed but super profitable just via laddering up and down the scale using DOM with only one contract at a time with either 1second or 5 second chart for some very basic analysis.

In market replay, i get over 90% winrate trading with 5TP even with market orders and some occasional drawdown but far less than realized profits. Against math for sure but profitable with close-all at Equity/income $profit and get out as quickly as possible. It might also sound retarded but I prefer to take 10 trades * 10T profit compared to 1trade*100T profit. It just gives me far more control to navigate my destination if trading costs are ignored.

Also, this is literally what I am trying out for past couple of hours.... same above philosophy but using OCO orders with 5 or 9TP or NO TP but rapidtrails SL to BE (entry via pause and replay as each order has to be done manually). Doing this simply on a HH or HL or LL or LH or just FIB levels within a specific hourly time range using basic candlestick analysis to gauge buyer/seller strength also gives some very decent results.
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  • #9,559
  • Nov 30, 2018 1:46am Nov 30, 2018 1:46am
Very low volume so far today when compared to yesterday. Close to half the volume. Won't take much to get this market to spike hard. Trade with caution.

Maybe London will come out to play. If they don't I will stay out until US session.
  • #9,560
  • Nov 30, 2018 2:38am Nov 30, 2018 2:38am
Just catching up with recent posts. I agree with Harold, regarding the subject of faking or altering your results... the question, as always, is why?

There are, of course, those that want to sell something and if i find anyone on here trying to sell courses or products etc, they wont be posting anymore. I think mostly though, it is an ego thing.

There is only EVER one person to prove that you have what it takes... YOURSELF!)

I also agree... i couldn't give two hoots as to what anyone else thinks. Sometimes it's easy to make the mistake of only posting winning sessions and not the losers. Of course, that has the effect of making it look like you never lose.

There are a few guys here who post them all and should be respected for such.

Sierra charts generally can't be fudged. If it is 'Sim mode' the DPL will be in blue. The 2 week trial with some of the providers gives the total in grey, but usually it is still written at the top, or you will see that the TSM button is enabled. Likewise, if in replay mode, it is written on the screen.

Let's get back to posting some charts and reasons for taking the trades please.
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