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  • #9,501
  • Nov 29, 2018 9:39am Nov 29, 2018 9:39am
Quoting Macedamia
{quote} Div.You said in a earlier post that you made twice the amount of money with Futures than with CFD that must mean you also loose twice and isnt it only too use doubbled the contracts too get at same level....I mean it cant be like you make twice but loose the same....
i never traded cfd so dont know what you mean. what i might have said is the points you get trading cfd compared to futures is doubled because of broker pricing
  • #9,502
  • Nov 29, 2018 9:41am Nov 29, 2018 9:41am
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  • #9,503
  • Nov 29, 2018 9:45am Nov 29, 2018 9:45am
After another BE trade just ended the day with a +25 from a 123 pullback at 10:39:30

+63 with 5 trades. One of my best days yet.
  • #9,504
  • Nov 29, 2018 10:14am Nov 29, 2018 10:14am
Quoting Divergence
{quote} i never traded cfd so dont know what you mean. what i might have said is the points you get trading cfd compared to futures is doubled because of broker pricing
Actually I see no differences, I am trading CFD £20 a point which is 4 ticks in futures.
on a postive roll...
  • #9,505
  • Nov 29, 2018 10:20am Nov 29, 2018 10:20am
Quoting Rmg
{quote} Actually I see no differences, I am trading CFD £20 a point which is 4 ticks in futures.
i always wonder who CFD liquidity providers are? i mean in stocks, futures, and even in forex you have the liquidity providers. But who makes this "CFD" market? like where does it come from?
  • #9,506
  • Nov 29, 2018 10:22am Nov 29, 2018 10:22am
Quoting Rmg
{quote} Actually I see no differences, I am trading CFD £20 a point which is 4 ticks in futures.
20 points in futures is 80 ticks you dont see the difference
  • #9,507
  • Nov 29, 2018 10:22am Nov 29, 2018 10:22am
Quoting hilmy83
{quote} i always wonder who CFD liquidity providers are? i mean in stocks, futures, and even in forex you have the liquidity providers. But who makes this "CFD" market? like where does it come from?
the fx brokers
  • #9,508
  • Nov 29, 2018 10:29am Nov 29, 2018 10:29am
Quoting Divergence
{quote} 20 points in futures is 80 ticks you dont see the difference
he is saying $20/point which is same as futures $5*4T=$20/point
Staying in my lane...
  • #9,509
  • Nov 29, 2018 10:34am Nov 29, 2018 10:34am
Quoting Divergence
{quote} the fx brokers
I dont think the "price feed" is created by the spot FX broker. Otherwise each CFD broker feed would be different. The feed must be derived from Futures with some lag or padding to allow manipulations like mini-spikes or spread widening to take out stops. That is where I think we lack the transparent and remain at the mercy of your spot broker as he is the ONLY guy taking the other side of your trade. There is NO market of buyers and sellers in CFDs... atleast that is how I understand trading CL just a couple of times with a scam offshore broker several years ago. It was absolutely WEIRD !
Staying in my lane...
  • #9,510
  • Nov 29, 2018 10:40am Nov 29, 2018 10:40am
Quoting VEEFX
{quote} I dont think the "price feed" is created by the spot FX broker. Otherwise each CFD broker feed would be different. The feed must be derived from Futures with some lag or padding to allow manipulations like mini-spikes or spread widening to take out stops. That is where I think we lack the transparent and remain at the mercy of your spot broker as he is the ONLY guy taking the other side of your trade. There is NO market of buyers and sellers in CFDs... atleast that is how I understand trading CL just a couple of times with a scam offshore...
Yes because all FX brokers have too be crocks.....Right???
  • #9,511
  • Nov 29, 2018 10:42am Nov 29, 2018 10:42am
Unless they changed it it trades in .50 so 2 ticks per point or 10 dollars
  • #9,512
  • Nov 29, 2018 10:42am Nov 29, 2018 10:42am
Quoting Divergence
{quote} 20 points in futures is 80 ticks you dont see the difference
I said, 1 point=£20=4ticks,
20 point =£400=80ticks.
on a postive roll...
  • #9,513
  • Nov 29, 2018 10:52am Nov 29, 2018 10:52am
Quoting Divergence
{quote} the fx brokers
so i could technically create an instrument, let's call it "hilmy fucks you up index" and say it mimics the SP 500 mini. Lets give it 1:50 leverage for good measure.

then i'll just provide "liquidity" by becoming market maker to all my clients. is this how that work?
  • #9,514
  • Nov 29, 2018 10:55am Nov 29, 2018 10:55am
yep
  • #9,515
  • Nov 29, 2018 10:58am Nov 29, 2018 10:58am
Quoting Divergence
yep
damn that's actually a good business. i mean seriously. we should all pool our money and open up our own CFD brokerage. how much do you think we need to start to cover our clients? 5mil? 10 mil? if the stats that most traders lose hold..we just need to let it run with time and get paid by comm/spreads in addition to losing trades
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  • #9,516
  • Nov 29, 2018 11:02am Nov 29, 2018 11:02am
Yes we who trades forex and CFD`s are stupid....
  • #9,517
  • Nov 29, 2018 11:05am Nov 29, 2018 11:05am
just saying..
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  • #9,518
  • Nov 29, 2018 11:10am Nov 29, 2018 11:10am
Quoting Macedamia
Yes we who trades forex and CFD`s are stupid....
look at it this way.

we're all gamblers in a casino. thing is, exchange based traders are like the poker players. we play each other. Some win, but most bust. the odds are against you by the skilsl of the participants. casino get their small percentage by providing game avenues. but money exchange between players

cfd/otc forex traders are like the slot machine/roulette players. you play against the casino. some get lucky, most bust. the odds are stastically built against you. some casinos even prevent payout sometimes
  • #9,519
  • Nov 29, 2018 11:19am Nov 29, 2018 11:19am
Quoting hilmy83
{quote} look at it this way. we're all gamblers in a casino. thing is, exchange based traders are like the poker players. we play each other. Some win, but most bust. the odds are against you by the skilsl of the participants. casino get their small percentage by providing game avenues. but money exchange between players cfd/otc forex traders are like the slot machine/roulette players. you play against the casino. some get lucky, most bust. the odds are stastically built against you. some casinos even prevent payout sometimes
great example noone is calling anyone stupid most trade cfd because of a lack of capital same reason people trade forex. all we are saying whatever your trading make enough and move to futures
  • #9,520
  • Nov 29, 2018 11:22am Nov 29, 2018 11:22am
Are we really going to start this argument AGAIN this week?

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