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  • First Post: Nov 8, 2018 2:23am Nov 8, 2018 2:23am
  •  Cny
  • | Joined Nov 2018 | Status: bet and hold | 19 Posts
YOU must change your mental attitude first from a normal person to that of a speculator. Almost all traders I have met, except a few successful ones who really made millions and billions trading in the market, simply waste all their time trying to learn the easiest part in perfection, like about how to read data and charts, and trying to perfect entry and exit skills, etc. Trading is a mind game and without having a right frame of mind, it is a losing game even before it starts. Training a trader's mind is the first step for any successful trader but almost all new traders neglect that part and that explains why more than 95% of traders are a failure in the long run Acquiring the knowledge of the market is not difficult for anyone with average intelligence after a few years of hard study in the market. But it is neither the level of intelligence nor the knowledge that decides the outcome of the market operations of a trader. It is the decision making process that is so hard for most traders to overcome and that is the main reason for a success or a failure for all the traders. Some find it easy to make decisions and stick to it and most find it so hard to make decisions and stick to it. Unfortunately, any decision making process in trading is a pain-taking process and humans tend to avoid pains and go for pleasures even if for temporary ones. Assuming one has acquired enough market knowledge and acquired one’s proven trading system (this is the second most important element of success in trading, in fact. An edge in any system is based on the quality of info one has, charts being only an info of secondary quality not the best one.

Through studies and research, a trader faces the task of making decisions to put this knowledge and system into practice. Then, how many traders can honestly say they can commit their ranch when the trade is suggested by their own system (given that trading is just a chance game) and let the profit run for weeks and months when their system tells them, and how many can manage to cut the loss as a routine process when the situation arise. It all sounds so easy when saying it but so difficult when doing it affecting real money in the market. I still do not sleep well when I am running position because even if the profits are running into a few hundred dollars and the system is telling you to carry on, there is no guarantee that the profit will turn into a yard or two in a month time, and it may even turn into a loss in a day or two when something unexpected happens. A painstaking process in real sense. The pain is not knowing what will happen in the future and in fear of losing.So at the end of the day, assuming one has decent trading system and market knowledge and decent info, it is ultimately how disciplined and how well that trader can take the pain of making right decisions at the right time that decides the outcome of the trades. Hence I call trading a mind game. When I interview prospective young traders, I always look for disciplined and strong-willed person as my first priority as long as one has decent education, but strangely in many cases, it is some kind of genius or half-genius with lots of brains with no disciplines who turn up for an interview thinking only bright people can make good traders.

Entries and exits can never be "irrelevant" for any trader for any purpose. It is just that psychological aspects of trading are much more important than entries and exits, and decisive for the success or failure of a trader in the long run. Perhaps exits are more important than entries because any perfect or near-perfect entries are possible only in hindsight.
Everything will be OK in the end,if it is not OK, it's not the end.
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  • Nov 8, 2018 2:28am Nov 8, 2018 2:28am
  •  Cny
  • | Joined Nov 2018 | Status: bet and hold | 19 Posts
Any market, be it real estate market or forex market, is all about transferring money from the masses to a few lucky ones in the long run. In most real property speculation cases, the masses make money ,a lot of money, but the money stays as paper profit and evaporate before they realize their paper profit into real hard cash. In most forex speculation cases, the masses barely survive a few years thanks to lack of knowledge of the market and the deadly leverage. But both types of speculators all serve their useful purposes in investment food chain contributing their hard earned money to the market in exchange for a dream.

For any prospective traders, hope this is not in anyway a discouragement. Trading is a hard mind game and not everyone is suitable to be engaged in such a hard game. Most have neither frame of mind nor mental fortitude to survive in this hard game. Mastering TAs or numbers or options business are at best a first tentative step into the right direction with no guarantee to any success. Training a right frame of mind is the most difficult but absolutely necessary part for success and most are simply not ready to go through that hard stage of the learning process because it is a very painful process. Trading is essentially about pain-taking-process in the end although most do not realize it. The process of overcoming fear, greed and mastering tranquility of mind in this hard school of speculation.

Every trader should find his/her method/system which suits his/her own situation and personality. And that system/method must be the one that has proven to be able to make some money through trials. So, if Tom, the medium-term trader, revealed his money making method of last three decades, it may not have the same effect for Dick and Harry, the day traders, and vice versa. Agree that most fail for lack of system/method and/or lack of discipline to follow through.

Trading success is all about making as much as one can when one is right and losing as little as possible when one is wrong. That is the essence of this business. So, any theory or system which looks after the above is a good one.

System is a weapon of a soldier in this market. You must have one as soon as possible. Otherwise, it will be like fighting well-armed Forex robbers with a handbag. Best one is a self-made one because you can never feel comfy in borrowed shoes although borrowing good ideas from others is a good idea.

One cannot make a dime unless follow the herd or trend most of the time. It is just that one has to be cautious when overbought/oversold region is approaching and know how to turn at inflection point for the opposite trend. Following herd needs average intelligence and courage but identifying inflection points and taking a necessary action needs not only intelligence but also a lot of courage. Again, fortune favors the brave.

Money management is where most traders go wrong in almost all cases leaving only a few as the winner at the end of the day. Money management and discipline of mind is what makes or brakes a trader at the end of the day, not the elementary entry and exit method.
Everything will be OK in the end,if it is not OK, it's not the end.
 
 
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  • Nov 8, 2018 2:30am Nov 8, 2018 2:30am
  •  Cny
  • | Joined Nov 2018 | Status: bet and hold | 19 Posts
Forex market like any other market works in a very simple way. It accumulates in a certain area for awhile, and once the accumulation is over, it advances to a certain distance until distribution starts, and accumulation happens again and advances to a certain distance again, and repeat and repeat. Day trading may not yield the best results while the accumulation and distribution work out itself, being double-murdered by zig-zag moves, while the market starts advancing out of accumulation area, day trading is a sure way of cutting profit short. In general, day trading is not the best form of yielding the most profits in my experience contrary to what some writers who never made real money in this game try to say.

The safe and better way in making some money must be wait for "accumulation" to be over and ride the whole length of advance until "distribution" starts and reverse as the market dictates as a short-term trade for 2-10 days, as the case may be. Please study 8 hour or 4 hour line charts or candle charts, especially the patterns and 20 MA inside the charts for a few months everyday, and you will discover what I mean by accumulation and distribution for short-term trades in Forex market. Forex market always needs this process, so you can decide what tactics you will use at a given stage.
Everything will be OK in the end,if it is not OK, it's not the end.
 
 
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  • Nov 8, 2018 2:35am Nov 8, 2018 2:35am
  •  Cny
  • | Joined Nov 2018 | Status: bet and hold | 19 Posts
News or data are always read by the market along the prevailing market bias. Data can provide a good reading for the state of the market. If the data is bad but the price is still rising or not affected, it must be a bull market which means buy on dip strategy is a better one. Conversely, if the data is good but the price is not rising or even falling, it must be a bear market which means sell on bounce strategy is a better one. The inflexion point must be when bad news or good news. no longer affect the prices as they have done before. Medium/long-term bias changes are usually accompanied by such reactions to the news. It is not the numbers that counts but how the market reacts to the numbers that counts. That gives some comfort to those who are not privy to the numbers already.
Everything will be OK in the end,if it is not OK, it's not the end.
 
 
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  • Nov 8, 2018 2:40am Nov 8, 2018 2:40am
  •  Cny
  • | Joined Nov 2018 | Status: bet and hold | 19 Posts
Traders that try to pick the tops and bottoms of the market throughout the day end up with mostly misery because inexperienced fellows in Forex departments even in first division clubs try to pick the tops and bottoms believing that is where the real big money is. And ego demonstration and bonus consideration comes into play too for smart college graduates. The first thing I do when facing new recruits is, do my best to destroy their ego and fear in the market first. Once their ego and fear are reasonably cured, they become dutiful followers of the market like Pavolv’s hounds and they can survive. And once they can survive,they can be taught on how to put temporary tops and bottoms to the market at much higher level of speculation school. Then, that may take at least a decade of training too.
Everything will be OK in the end,if it is not OK, it's not the end.
 
 
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  • Nov 8, 2018 2:47am Nov 8, 2018 2:47am
  •  3ndlessHope
  • | Joined May 2016 | Status: Member | 542 Posts
Are you going to offer mentoring or any other service?
Necessity knows no law except to conquer
 
 
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  • Nov 8, 2018 2:50am Nov 8, 2018 2:50am
  •  Cny
  • | Joined Nov 2018 | Status: bet and hold | 19 Posts
Quoting 3ndlessHope
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Are you going to offer mentoring or any other service?
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offer nothing,just sharing.
Everything will be OK in the end,if it is not OK, it's not the end.
 
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  • Nov 8, 2018 3:36am Nov 8, 2018 3:36am
  •  alhalawi
  • Joined Aug 2013 | Status: Member | 392 Posts
great article
 
 
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  • Nov 8, 2018 3:37am Nov 8, 2018 3:37am
  •  Rmg
  • Joined Jan 2016 | Status: Member | 2,302 Posts
One cannot make a dime unless follow the herd or trend most of the time. It is just that one has to be cautious when overbought/oversold region is approaching and know how to turn at inflection point for the opposite trend. Following herd needs average intelligence and courage but identifying inflection points and taking a necessary action needs not only intelligence but also a lot of courage. Again, fortune favors the brave.
risk management is paramount
 
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  • Nov 8, 2018 6:28pm Nov 8, 2018 6:28pm
  •  DojiSan
  • | Joined Apr 2006 | Status: Member | 217 Posts
Quoting Cny
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I still do not sleep well when I am running position ... it may even turn into a loss in a day or two when something unexpected happens.
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that statement is the source of your problem... you are thinking out of fear not abundance, thus you don't sleep well at night when you have positions!! Why not think the trade will turn into a few hundred more pips when something unexpected happens... I mean I've experienced this many times.. I have a position on and sleep well then when I wake up it's 25 to 100+ pips in profit when something unexpected happened during my sleep but you're right, it's 99% mindset, 1% clicking the mouse button.
 
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  • Nov 8, 2018 7:16pm Nov 8, 2018 7:16pm
  •  tzamo
  • Joined Nov 2017 | Status: Member | 830 Posts
Quoting Cny
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Traders that try to pick the tops and bottoms of the market throughout the day end up with mostly misery because inexperienced fellows in Forex departments even in first division clubs try to pick the tops and bottoms believing that is where the real big money is. And ego demonstration and bonus consideration comes into play too for smart college graduates. The first thing I do when facing new recruits is, do my best to destroy their ego and fear in the market first. Once their ego and fear are reasonably cured, they become dutiful followers of...
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Dear Cny,
Xièxiè, Thank you for sharing your wisdom. i do also agree that the mind/ mindset of a trader (psychology) is very important. Teaching many people the very best entry technique in the world (if there was one) will show that each of them will end with a different profit (positive or negative) if they use it.

I am curious to why you refer to the 4 or 8 hr 20 MA as a more safer way to trade. Could you please elaborate on that? How do 'you' define accumulation and distribution Cny? Maybe it is different from the way I or others define it.

Kind Regards,
Tzamo
"Only you can Make the Future you will be proud to be a part of..." -Me
 
 
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  • Nov 9, 2018 3:44pm Nov 9, 2018 3:44pm
  •  mangaradja
  • | Joined Oct 2011 | Status: Fake signal is a real good one too | 159 Posts
Actually this is a purely "Logically Game", very simple by looking at a candlestick pattern like doji etc or simply RSI or other indicators, for me as a naked chartist love doji's family.
 
 
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  • Nov 10, 2018 3:38am Nov 10, 2018 3:38am
  •  Cny
  • | Joined Nov 2018 | Status: bet and hold | 19 Posts
Quoting tzamo
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{quote} Dear Cny, Xièxiè, Thank you for sharing your wisdom. i do also agree that the mind/ mindset of a trader (psychology) is very important. Teaching many people the very best entry technique in the world (if there was one) will show that each of them will end with a different profit (positive or negative) if they use it. I am curious to why you refer to the 4 or 8 hr 20 MA as a more safer way to trade. Could you please elaborate on that? How do 'you' define accumulation and distribution Cny? Maybe it is different from the way I or others define...
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Different time frame charts tell the same story if we zoom in/out them. The numbers are empirical selection,just like technical analysis does. These choices don’t make trading safer I’m afraid. It just give a difference how long you will see.
Everything will be OK in the end,if it is not OK, it's not the end.
 
 
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  • Nov 12, 2018 4:20am Nov 12, 2018 4:20am
  •  Cny
  • | Joined Nov 2018 | Status: bet and hold | 19 Posts
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Everything will be OK in the end,if it is not OK, it's not the end.
 
 
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  • Nov 13, 2018 7:53am Nov 13, 2018 7:53am
  •  Thehumble
  • | Joined Aug 2016 | Status: Member | 21 Posts
I couldn't agree more. Thank you for your insights and for your time and effort to share your invaluable experience. Nothing can be more important in successful trading that acquiring and maintaining an ideal trader's mindset.
Keep alive a genuine winning attitude
 
 
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  • Last Post: Nov 15, 2018 4:08pm Nov 15, 2018 4:08pm
  •  headfake
  • | Joined Aug 2009 | Status: Member | 533 Posts
One of the main issues addressing a traders mindset and sometimes the only barrier preventing them from being profitable is their belief system ingrained from many years of false information. You basically have to re programme your subconscious mind and replace your limiting beliefs that are holding you back with new beliefs . Briefly, your subconscious mind (not your thinking mind) is what keeps you safe and everything normal (body functions and behaviour). Your subconscious mind has been programmed over the years by your parents , government , media , tv , news and education . Therefore most people have a lack mentality etc from parents saying they constantly have no money , media saying it's bad to be rich or wealthy etc etc. So you have to remove these limiting beliefs and inject new beliefs because it's these beliefs that are causing your blow-ups etc and holding you back .
Never said I was Batman,all I'm saying is you'll never see us together.
 
 
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