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all I have to say is if Spartan's version of Korean history is correct, why were the Japanese so nice to the Koreans?

Did they get their fill simply from the raping and massacring of (conservative estimates) tens of thousands of Chinese?

oh, and let's not forget the biological warfare experiments too...

Quoting Americantek
Talk to some Koreans who lived through it. The Japanese atrocities were well documented, not only in Korea but all throughout asia. They did take sex slaves, a commonly used Korean swear word references women who were taken by Japanese and later returned dishonored (Hwang-nyo). Yes, Korea was less modern than Japan (they were known as the hermit kingdom) but modernizing a country doesn't give one the right to destroy its culture. Koreans were forced to learn and speak only Japanese during this time, in school, on official documents, and thus many older Koreans are fluent at Japanese yet hate the language.

Koreans freaked out a few years ago because a nationally used Japanese text book claimed things along the lines of what you are saying, the colonization was good for korea, etc. In reality, what happened to korea was horrible - I know, I've been there, I talked to plenty of elder Koreans who could literally show me their scars from being beaten for not speaking Japanese.

What Japan did for them? Your view is so ignorant - Japan ransacked the place, everything from looting amethyst mines to destroying nearly every historical building in the country (try finding a building in Korea that was built before the Japanese got there, its tough), I don't know where you are coming off with this idea that the Japanese some how did Korea a favor but you are way off base. As for modernizing Korea, the US did a lot more towards that end during and after the Korean war than the Japanese ever did. Koreas real modernization/industrialization happened during the 70's though, thats another story.

As far as the dates you are citing, I don't have time to drag into a detailed history lesson with precise dates. This is a trading forum and I was simply outlining the fact that the Japanese and Korea will almost always be on different sides of the same political issues. Do you know what Dok-do is? Probably not! There isn't much point in debating about something that you obviously have such a limited knowledge and perspective on. Get back to trading
Quoting Americantek
Talk to some Koreans who lived through it. The Japanese atrocities were well documented, not only in Korea but all throughout asia. They did take sex slaves, a commonly used Korean swear word references women who were taken by Japanese and later returned dishonored (Hwang-nyo). Yes, Korea was less modern than Japan (they were known as the hermit kingdom) but modernizing a country doesn't give one the right to destroy its culture. Koreans were forced to learn and speak only Japanese during this time, in school, on official documents, and thus many older Koreans are fluent at Japanese yet hate the language.

Koreans freaked out a few years ago because a nationally used Japanese text book claimed things along the lines of what you are saying, the colonization was good for korea, etc. In reality, what happened to korea was horrible - I know, I've been there, I talked to plenty of elder Koreans who could literally show me their scars from being beaten for not speaking Japanese.

What Japan did for them? Your view is so ignorant - Japan ransacked the place, everything from looting amethyst mines to destroying nearly every historical building in the country (try finding a building in Korea that was built before the Japanese got there, its tough), I don't know where you are coming off with this idea that the Japanese some how did Korea a favor but you are way off base. As for modernizing Korea, the US did a lot more towards that end during and after the Korean war than the Japanese ever did. Koreas real modernization/industrialization happened during the 70's though, thats another story.

As far as the dates you are citing, I don't have time to drag into a detailed history lesson with precise dates. This is a trading forum and I was simply outlining the fact that the Japanese and Korea will almost always be on different sides of the same political issues. Do you know what Dok-do is? Probably not! There isn't much point in debating about something that you obviously have such a limited knowledge and perspective on. Get back to trading
You think exactly like Koreans. Are you really an American?
If what you call the well-documented atrocities include what you see in books such as " The Rape of Nanjing" where it's filled with a bunch of composite photos and disinformation, then you are ignorant.

You have to remember that Japan colonized Korea in accordance to international laws. And back then, they were Japenese citizens.
Giving its citizens education in its official language is what a decent government does to its citizens.
If Koreans back then who were considered Japanese citizens were not given opportunities to learn what was then their official language of the nation...that is discrimination. It would seriously hinder his/her ability to be a better part in the society if they are not properly educated.

The literacy rate of Koreans before the colonization was about 10%. 35 years after the colonization the literacy rate was over 90%.

Another interesting number is that the average life span of Koreans before colonization was 24 years, whereas their average life span has increased to 45 years in those 35 years. It was most likely accomplished by better nutrition and improved sanitation.

If your government did a terrible job of cutting the average life span of its citizens to 24 years and literacy rate to a mere 10%, I would call that atrocities. Not to mention Japanese had to ban the act of torturing that was so cruel and rampant in pre-colonization Korea such as torturer dislocating one's joint (ouch!).

On the contrary to your belief, their script "hangul" was invented by King Sejong of Korea back in 15th century, however it was not widely used until Japanese helped standardizing it and teaching it in schools. Korean language was in fact a mandatory subject in school in Korea under Japanese colonization.

You seem not know this, but Japanese education system has been hi-jacked by leftists and zainichis. For decades, what Japanese learned in school textbooks have been and still are full with claims along the line of what you are saying.
Not only has education system been infected, mass media of Japan have been extremely biased toward that of China/Korea.

I has taken the Japanese mass until the advent of internet era to find out that they had been misinformed/disinformed by the media.
At the same time, they have found out that the most of what Koreans claim in regard to what happened during colonization era isn't really factual.

I have to also mention because you don't seem to know, the real industrialization/modernization of Korea after 1970's that you talk about had a lot to do with the money Japan paid to Korea from 1966 to 1990 in the amount of 3.6 billion dollars in the money of 1966. That would translate to over 20 billion dollars in today's money.
But seriously, you should see and compare the real photos of pre-colonization era Korea and after it. Not just talking like you know.

In case you are not aware, the lack of significant historical buildings is because they never existed. Whatever historically significant were there before the colonization should still be there unless it was destroyed after WWII.

And finally, Dokdo is a rock-like formation or islets in Japanese territory in the Sea of Japan that has been illegally occupied by Korea by force. Its original Japanese name is Takeshima. It is also known as Liancourt Rocks.
You may disagree on the definition but if what Koreans are saying has some kind of truth in it, they should be willing to take the matter to the International Court of Justice. Japan has been ready for ages.
Until then, no further discussion is relevant. It's always the criminals who has to hide behind the trees and avoid going to the court of justice.

Not related to Dokdo, but people commiting perjury in Korea is as common as people speeding in the states (literally!). Most of evidence you provide in your argument do not give much credibility...a lot of hearsays, no concrete evidence and name-calling. You qualify as a honorary Korean in my dictionary. All I can say is conglatulations.

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Quoting ycomp
all I have to say is if Spartan's version of Korean history is correct, why were the Japanese so nice to the Koreans?

Did they get their fill simply from the raping and massacring of (conservative estimates) tens of thousands of Chinese?

oh, and let's not forget the biological warfare experiments too...

I believe it had a lot to do with the fact that having a near-dead neighbor (insolvent and starving) right next to Japan was strategically very dangerous to the survival of Japan.
You have to look at the history in relation to the situation the whole world was in back then.

At one point or another, Japan tried to unite all the Asian nations and create something that may be comparable to the EU of today to defend and liberate the whole Asia from the colonialism of westerners.
For this very reason, it's rare to find Asian countries outside of China and Korea that is really hostile to Japan.

Biological warfare to me is no different from nuclear warfare in that it kills people. Again, you have to look at the matter in relation to the world situation of that time.

As to China, apart from what I mentioned in my earlier post about Nanjing I am no expert to it. But one thing I know in addition is that what was tens of thousands became hundreds of thousands, and now millions of people that Chinese government is citing.
If you have been attention to their stance in UN and politics in gereral, their main focus seems to be how they leverage their political power to their advantage and all that power games. What is supposed to be anti-Japan demonstrations by Chinese citizens were at least initially a government-led movement and they are using it as a leverage to control Japan.

It's no coincidence that a lot of money was paid to China and Korea by Japan in the past yet still they keep advertizing some wrong-doings by Japan more than 60 years ago as atrocities...that is to pillage more money from Japan.
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My opinion is next one...usa has a big hole in deficit...like you dont know,..and so the only big problem of the current govornment is inflation...ok. so here comes the FED....but u have increased interest rates to 5. and something,...so thts out of the question...u cant squeze it to eternity...or can u?...so next ting is,..u got the ˝best army force˝ to protect the other world,..from terorist, and comunist conutries...by invading some oil rich ofcourse,...never mind that,...so usa still has some forces in japan,...ofcourse,...they have dropped 2 bombs on it,..they should effect some of their own soliders,...to be frineds further,...so what does north korea had to do with it,...nothing else,..just eur/usd was trying to go over 1.2600,...ok i guess they really did test the bomb,...but if there was of no interest from current usa governement to dealt with this matter,...i strongly belive they wouldnt go alive on cnn,...so YEN will always gets fucked...besides they received 2 nuklear bombs on hiroshima and nagasaki, they must solve the inflation problem of currency of usa.
its just money
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