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  • #2,441
  • Oct 21, 2018 1:26am Oct 21, 2018 1:26am
Quoting OutThere
{quote} Dynamic grid. Way over my pay grade. lol. Good to know. Thx.
For example with grid 5, if after first order then the price reverses the direction quickly, it doesn't open at minus 5, but waits for the time to order the first mart, and so on.
margiyono61 gmail com, Telegr @Margiyono
  • #2,442
  • Edited 2:44am Oct 21, 2018 2:03am | Edited 2:44am
Ok I get that but opening 198 trades at same price is not a rule of dynamic grid. If it was and the direction switched, then what?
I think grids should have steps even if they are dynamic grids. They should have limits in how many trades make a grid. Then when we have those 2 elements, we can decide position size. Position size can be fixed, ascending by size or descending by size.

There is a bit of chaos to this EA and at times it works well. I wouldn't have a complaint if 199 positions open and the price goes my way. Heck it can do that every time but if it doesn't, then what? Do these open orders rely on hitting the SL to clear out while another grid is opening up on the reverse direction? If so, then this EA can not work without SL? I still don't know how trades are closing with SL disabled. There could be some a formula that reduces the losing trades versus gaining trades. For example, if we have 10 losing trades on the buy side and 15 gaining trades on the sell side, then the EA takes out 10 losing trades and 10 gaining trades and ends up with 5 gaining trades on the sell side and the SLs on the sell side move to BE and trail up. IDK, I'm making this up since I'm not getting how trades in loss are exited without SL.

That's why I recommend forward testing. If after a month this EA doing whatever it does is still profitable and steadily gaining, then it works regardless of whatever the logic is and keep in mind this is martingale EA as the author emphasizes.

It says it all here https://forexop.com/basic-hedged-grid-strategy/ so, yes a grid of positions and a grind of their collective pl's produces a profit. Usually a good entry chosen by an indicator sets things up in favor of the least grid and grinding. In this case that indicator is the trader. This kinda makes it a trade recovery EA by the use of grids I guess.
  • #2,443
  • Oct 21, 2018 3:09am Oct 21, 2018 3:09am
Quoting OutThere
Ok I get that but opening 198 trades at same price is not a rule of dynamic grid. If it was and the direction switched, then what? I think grids should have steps even if they are dynamic grids. They should have limits in how many trades make a grid. Then when we have those 2 elements, we can decide position size. Position size can be fixed, ascending by size or descending by size. There is a bit of chaos to this EA and at times it works well. I wouldn't have a complaint if 199 positions open and the price goes my way. Heck it can do that every...
Hi OutThere

Sorry I was on the way before, maybe it's not clear.
Ok
1. What you mean is by which SET file and the results are what, so I can explain what you mean.
2. The number 1.98 lot and 199 positions happens when which file set, please explain. Sorry I was a little confused for clarification.
3. Hopefully I can explain the problem that you mean when with more detailed questions.
I am worried that there is a misperception about what you mean by what I explained.
Sorry if I ask for the question to be repeated, so I can clear it.
Rgds
margiyono61 gmail com, Telegr @Margiyono
  • #2,444
  • Oct 21, 2018 3:42am Oct 21, 2018 3:42am
Quoting mrgmrg
{quote} Hi OutThere Sorry I was on the way before, maybe it's not clear. Ok 1. What you mean is by which SET file and the results are what, so I can explain what you mean. 2. The number 1.98 lot and 199 positions happens when which file set, please explain. Sorry I was a little confused for clarification. 3. Hopefully I can explain the problem that you mean when with more detailed questions. I am worried that there is a misperception about what you mean by what I explained. Sorry if I ask for the question to be repeated, so I can clear it. Rgds
There is one ting i want too say....You say good moneymanagement is the key,but when autolots are on you really have noo control over that,but its also the autolots that gives theese huges gains like you 130% in 10 days and i have seen on backtest going from 5000 too 2.8 millions in 10 months and that is pretty amazing soo i am willing too blow up a few 150 dollar cent accounts too get it up too a million cents that is 10000 dollars.....As soon as the EA have passed 80 ore 100000 its doing 100 lot trades all the time and i scared only by thinking of it,but with that amazing winrate there is no issue.....On one of the backtests tousand`s of trades it had 100% winrate on shorttrades.....LOL
You win some you loose some do both with peace of mind
  • #2,445
  • Oct 21, 2018 4:36am Oct 21, 2018 4:36am
All your 3 questions assume I have a set file. I have no particular Set file. Just the default with max trades at 10 and SL disabled. Does that make the EA not function properly?

Basically, lets take the default SET file that comes with EA. Then take SL out and make it open trades of .01 size at increments of say 35 pips. At the end, if the price falls 350 pips, I will have 10 trades that are 35 pips apart and I guess every one of them is in DD.

Now, I realize that this is a dynamic grid but can a dynamic grid place these 10 trades at 35 pips apart or because it's dynamic, this would interfere with it's operations and therefore we get random entries because the EA logic? I mean, no one wants 10 open trades in DD of course and I hope this EA does things to prevent that in the first place. However, opening 198 trades at one price is one of those preventative measures or is it an error?

I have an EA with fixed lot size .01 that in deep DD opens up to 5 lots and averages the price. I understand that but is this EA doing that or is it a mistake? If it opened 1,98 lots in one trade, I would think it's doing it on purpose but 198 single consecutive trades seems like something is out of control.
  • #2,446
  • Edited 5:30am Oct 21, 2018 5:06am | Edited 5:30am
Quoting OutThere
All your 3 questions assume I have a set file. I have no particular Set file. Just the default with max trades at 10 and SL disabled. Does that make the EA not function properly? Basically, lets take the default SET file that comes with EA. Then take SL out and make it open trades of .01 size at increments of say 35 pips. At the end, if the price falls 350 pips, I will have 10 trades that are 35 pips apart and I guess every one of them is in DD. Now, I realize that this is a dynamic grid but can a dynamic grid place these 10 trades at 35 pips apart...
Hi

Okay
1. Default parameter (for Leverage 1: 500) then without SL, this is not possible and will get MC, because MM is too large (3%), Max_Open 10, you change Max_Open_Increment 1 (default 5) ==> to limit it in one candle will only open 1 transaction simultaneously. ==> not to add grid length.

2. Default Grid 9 and Grid_Time 5 ==> for example the first open with 0.1 lot, if the minimum is minus 9 pips and the time has reached 5 minutes it will open the first grid mart (this is normal), but for example in 5 minutes minus 45 pips, will open the 5th Grid with lotions 0.6 lots after the time reaches 25 minutes (1 Grid 5 minutes), Then if the price returns, the position minus 36 pips will open the fourth Grid with lotsize 0.5 lots and so on ==> With default parameters with Max_Open = 10, not allowed without SL is very risky.

3. Parameters without SL, with small Signal_Level and small MM (max 0.5%), I uploaded the SET file example with Signal_Level = -1 ==> This is with Max_Open_Positions = 1 and Max_Open_Increment = 1, without trailing, without SL, Double_Order = false, Grid 5, Grid Time 15, BB_Period = 20 ==> Please check the SET file example that I uploaded.

4. About 1.98 lots and 199 trades, maybe because you use the default parameters but without SL, or there is an error in the journal that causes the message "Trase is Disable" so it will try to open continuously.
BTW, thank you for a discussion like this, to equalize

Rgds
Attached File(s)
File Type: zip EU GU UJ Sample without SL without Locking.zip   1 KB | 146 downloads
margiyono61 gmail com, Telegr @Margiyono
  • #2,447
  • Oct 21, 2018 5:10am Oct 21, 2018 5:10am
Quoting magne999
{quote} There is one ting i want too say....You say good moneymanagement is the key,but when autolots are on you really have noo control over that,but its also the autolots that gives theese huges gains like you 130% in 10 days and i have seen on backtest going from 5000 too 2.8 millions in 10 months and that is pretty amazing soo i am willing too blow up a few 150 dollar cent accounts too get it up too a million cents that is 10000 dollars.....As soon as the EA have passed 80 ore 100000 its doing 100 lot trades all the time and i scared only by...
A good idea, with only $ 150 conversion of CEN $ 15,000, it will be easy to use a lot of Pairs and 1 or 2 pairs without SL (small Signal).

==> For Cent accounts, usually Stop Level> 0 and large spreads. For eg Stop_Level > 10, you should disable trailing and Pending orders or use Virtual Trailing and Virtual Pending.

Rgds
margiyono61 gmail com, Telegr @Margiyono
  • #2,448
  • Oct 21, 2018 6:32am Oct 21, 2018 6:32am
I have removed EG and AU from the setup doo too thoose two pairs where killed in backtests i used the setfiles provided from you in a earlier post and will not doo anyting too them....Winrate is over 90% on all of my tests but i have bad quality in tickdata soo cant be trusted totally
You win some you loose some do both with peace of mind
  • #2,449
  • Oct 21, 2018 6:35am Oct 21, 2018 6:35am
Quoting mrgmrg
{quote} A good idea, with only $ 150 conversion of CEN $ 15,000, it will be easy to use a lot of Pairs and 1 or 2 pairs without SL (small Signal). ==> For Cent accounts, usually Stop Level> 0 and large spreads. For eg Stop_Level > 10, you should disable trailing and Pending orders or use Virtual Trailing and Virtual Pending. Rgds
Witch two pairs would you say is the best canditate for no stoploss...???And what abaut partial closing is that good too have on...And are youusing the news filter???
You win some you loose some do both with peace of mind
  • #2,450
  • Oct 21, 2018 7:03am Oct 21, 2018 7:03am
Quoting magne999
{quote} Witch two pairs would you say is the best canditate for no stoploss...???And what abaut partial closing is that good too have on...And are youusing the news filter???
1. Pair options need to be adjusted to low spreads on the brokers used (eg GJ on ICmarket is ok, but at Roboforex high spreads).

2. Without SL on all brokers, I only use EU and GU

3. Partial close and news filter are not finished, I have not used any filters except BB Period (for SET without SL only)

4. The following is a summary of Pair Statistics that I used on Robo for 10 days, which was displayed by Myfxbook.
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margiyono61 gmail com, Telegr @Margiyono
  • #2,451
  • Oct 21, 2018 7:51am Oct 21, 2018 7:51am
Are you letting it run by itself ore doo you jump start it once in awhile...meaning manually start trade for EA too finnish...And if you doo how often
You win some you loose some do both with peace of mind
  • #2,452
  • Oct 21, 2018 7:55am Oct 21, 2018 7:55am
Quoting mrgmrg
{quote} Hi Okay 1. Default parameter (for Leverage 1: 500) then without SL, this is not possible and will get MC, because MM is too large (3%), Max_Open 10, you change Max_Open_Increment 1 (default 5) ==> to limit it in one candle will only open 1 transaction simultaneously. ==> not to add grid length. 2. Default Grid 9 and Grid_Time 5 ==> for example the first open with 0.1 lot, if the minimum is minus 9 pips and the time has reached 5 minutes it will open the first grid mart (this is normal), but for example in 5 minutes minus 45 pips, will open...
Thoose sets without sl dies on backtests eu set b m1 is the one i am using on EU and default set on GU and UJ survives fine..
You win some you loose some do both with peace of mind
  • #2,453
  • Oct 21, 2018 8:15am Oct 21, 2018 8:15am
Quoting magne999
Are you letting it run by itself ore doo you jump start it once in awhile...meaning manually start trade for EA too finnish...And if you doo how often
For EU and GU small signals without SL, sometimes I start with manual triger.

What's the situation? ==> If EA doesn't have an order position
What are the conditions? ==> Not much to think about, as long as the order, follow the trend or if it is sideways reversal
When ? ==> If I have time or not on the computer (by mobile phone)
How much size? ==> According to MM percentage (estimated)
How often? ==> Average 20 times a day

Starting with a triger manually, the average growth is around 2% per day

Other pairs plus EU and GU with other charts use the default settings except that Signal_Level is adjusted
margiyono61 gmail com, Telegr @Margiyono
  • #2,454
  • Oct 21, 2018 2:25pm Oct 21, 2018 2:25pm
Quoting mrgmrg
{quote} For EU and GU small signals without SL, sometimes I start with manual triger. What's the situation? ==> If EA doesn't have an order position What are the conditions? ==> Not much to think about, as long as the order, follow the trend or if it is sideways reversal When ? ==> If I have time or not on the computer (by mobile phone) How much size? ==> According to MM percentage (estimated) How often? ==> Average 20 times a day Starting with a triger manually, the average growth is around 2% per day Other pairs plus EU and GU with other charts...
Mrg, Please can you help me paste here the set files you use on your life account? i see you said you have 10 of them running in the live account. Thanks
i have tried to start trades with a trend, now i prefer to follow the trend
  • #2,455
  • Oct 21, 2018 2:30pm Oct 21, 2018 2:30pm
Quoting jereajali
{quote} Mrg, Please can you help me paste here the set files you use on your life account? i see you said you have 10 of them running in the live account. Thanks
They are posted in a zipfile in earlier posts..
You win some you loose some do both with peace of mind
  • #2,456
  • Oct 21, 2018 2:34pm Oct 21, 2018 2:34pm
Quoting magne999
{quote} They are posted in a zipfile in earlier posts..
i don't know the zipped file to look at cos there are many now.

i ask cos i see all his trades have good SL levels, less than 30pips stops while the one am using has stop loss at 100pips plus. Let him just help me paste the set files
i have tried to start trades with a trend, now i prefer to follow the trend
  • #2,457
  • Oct 21, 2018 2:46pm Oct 21, 2018 2:46pm
Quoting mrgmrg
End of week status after 8 working days. Before the market close, hit Big Loss 4 times in 1 minute (touch SL). This is possible, but is covered by other profit orders, in total it is still in green close. {image} {image}
see the trades here, all with set stop loss. Mine is not this way. it means am using different set files.
i have tried to start trades with a trend, now i prefer to follow the trend
  • #2,458
  • Oct 21, 2018 3:02pm Oct 21, 2018 3:02pm
Quoting jereajali
{quote} see the trades here, all with set stop loss. Mine is not this way. it means am using different set files.
It was just too go a coupple of pages backwords soo you found them,but here they are i use only EU m1 setB and skip AU and EG because thoose die in backtests on the others you should use defult ones....They have 17 pips stoploss most of them
Attached File(s)
File Type: zip FT 20 SET FILE.zip   21 KB | 256 downloads
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  • #2,459
  • Oct 21, 2018 3:04pm Oct 21, 2018 3:04pm
EU has stoploss 100 pips but that is the best for EU
You win some you loose some do both with peace of mind
  • #2,460
  • Oct 21, 2018 3:12pm Oct 21, 2018 3:12pm
Quoting magne999
{quote} It was just too go a coupple of pages backwords soo you found them,but here they are i use only EU m1 setB and skip AU and EG because thoose die in backtests on the others you should use defult ones....They have 17 pips stoploss most of them {file}
Thanks so much, you are so kind.

However, there are 21 set files there while he said he uses 10 of the set files in his live account, which 10 does he use in his life account ?
i have tried to start trades with a trend, now i prefer to follow the trend
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