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  • #21
  • Oct 7, 2006 8:25pm Oct 7, 2006 8:25pm
Quoting philmcgrew
Here is a graph of 4 popular brokers and their behavior during the NFP release. FXCM was leading the market by a full 10 pips.

Seriously though, entering a market order during NFP is the equivelant of dropping your soap in a prison shower. You get what you asked for.


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  • #22
  • Oct 7, 2006 8:26pm Oct 7, 2006 8:26pm
Quoting Bernfriedd
IDoes anybody have more info on what Joe Ross said about better regulations coming? He also said that Reuters develops some better regulated Forex platform and I quote:

"here is yet another hope on the horizon for traders who want to trade forex in a regulated venue. Sadly it will not take place until 2008. At that time you will be able to trade forex on Globex at the CME, in a regulated environment and with uniformity of prices".
Joe Ross was talking about this: http://www.fxmarketspace.com/

It is institutional only and comes online in Q1 2007
  • #23
  • Oct 7, 2006 8:28pm Oct 7, 2006 8:28pm
Philmcgrew put it best:

"Seriously though, entering a market order during NFP is the equivelant of dropping your soap in a prison shower. You get what you asked for."

You can find a better broker for sure but even if you where some place you would have a good chance of getting the same results...

I guess you can get on the burnt news traders crusade or take it like a man/women a devolpe your skills as trader and move on.

turbo

Quoting philmcgrew
Here is a graph of 4 popular brokers and their behavior during the NFP release. FXCM was leading the market by a full 10 pips.

Seriously though, entering a market order during NFP is the equivelant of dropping your soap in a prison shower. You get what you asked for.
  • #24
  • Oct 7, 2006 8:38pm Oct 7, 2006 8:38pm
Quoting Bernfriedd
You bet I will. I will call them when they open their office at 5 pm tomorrow and I will post the exact time here. But what is the next step then?
Below is the exact price tick from FXCM:

Knowing when the exact time your order was sent to them, we can better judge what price it should have been entered.. ie, 1.8830? or 1.8875? Using their record (of the time), you can now better argue about the price it should have been filled.

Of course, they can claim "hey we received your Buy Market Order 8:30:12 (when the price is now 1.8870 +5 pips spread)... there is only 10 seconds when price was 1.8828 and 1.8870...



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  • #25
  • Oct 7, 2006 8:44pm Oct 7, 2006 8:44pm
LISTEN, THE FORES MARKET ITīS TRYING TO GET RIDE OFF NEWS TRADERS THIS IS HAPPENENING IN ALL BIG BROKERS. I CANT TELL YOU NAMES BECAUSE IīM NEW HERE BUT THERE ARE SOME THAT FILL FAIRLY.
I PERSONALLY WAS KIKED BY AN IMPORTANT SWISS BROKER WHY? BECAUSE I TRADE THE NEWS, AND I AM GOOD AT IT, NO DETAILS BUT I DOUBLED MY EQUITY IN TWO MOTHS. THEY STARTED BY NOT FILLING MY ORDERS I CALLED THE DEALING DESK AND THEY GAVE THE USUALL STUPID ARGUMENT, IN VOLATILE MARKETS DA DA DA. THEN A WEEL LATER THEY DID THE SAME SO IN THE SEP NFP I SPRADLE. THEY FROZEE MY ACC. I TRYED TO CLOSE THAT POSITION OVER 5 TIMES.
THEY TOLD ME PLAIN THAT THEY WONT LET ME TRADE ANY MORE AT NEWS TIMES, WHY BECAUSE THEY CANīT TRADE AGAINST YOU. SO DONīT LET BE FOOLED BY YOUR BROKER ITS THEM NOT THE MARKET.
Argue with your wife, not with the market, itīll always win
  • #26
  • Oct 7, 2006 8:48pm Oct 7, 2006 8:48pm
The same goes for scalping if I wear to hit the same bank enough times on my ECN's they would ask my prime broker to get rid of me. I know a few this has happened too. That how the bank are making their money.

turbo

Quoting ELVER GON
LISTEN, THE FORES MARKET ITīS TRYING TO GET RIDE OFF NEWS TRADERS THIS IS HAPPENENING IN ALL BIG BROKERS. I CANT TELL YOU NAMES BECAUSE IīM NEW HERE BUT THERE ARE SOME THAT FILL FAIRLY.
I PERSONALLY WAS KIKED BY AN IMPORTANT SWISS BROKER WHY? BECAUSE I TRADE THE NEWS, AND I AM GOOD AT IT, NO DETAILS BUT I DOUBLED MY EQUITY IN TWO MOTHS. THEY STARTED BY NOT FILLING MY ORDERS I CALLED THE DEALING DESK AND THEY GAVE THE USUALL STUPID ARGUMENT, IN VOLATILE MARKETS DA DA DA. THEN A WEEL LATER THEY DID THE SAME SO IN THE SEP NFP I SPRADLE. THEY FROZEE MY ACC. I TRYED TO CLOSE THAT POSITION OVER 5 TIMES.
THEY TOLD ME PLAIN THAT THEY WONT LET ME TRADE ANY MORE AT NEWS TIMES, WHY BECAUSE THEY CANīT TRADE AGAINST YOU. SO DONīT LET BE FOOLED BY YOUR BROKER ITS THEM NOT THE MARKET.
  • #27
  • Oct 7, 2006 9:00pm Oct 7, 2006 9:00pm
Quoting ELVER GON
LISTEN, THE FORES MARKET ITīS TRYING TO GET RIDE OFF NEWS TRADERS THIS IS HAPPENENING IN ALL BIG BROKERS. I CANT TELL YOU NAMES BECAUSE IīM NEW HERE BUT THERE ARE SOME THAT FILL FAIRLY.
I PERSONALLY WAS KIKED BY AN IMPORTANT SWISS BROKER WHY? BECAUSE I TRADE THE NEWS, AND I AM GOOD AT IT, NO DETAILS BUT I DOUBLED MY EQUITY IN TWO MOTHS. THEY STARTED BY NOT FILLING MY ORDERS I CALLED THE DEALING DESK AND THEY GAVE THE USUALL STUPID ARGUMENT, IN VOLATILE MARKETS DA DA DA. THEN A WEEL LATER THEY DID THE SAME SO IN THE SEP NFP I SPRADLE. THEY FROZEE MY ACC. I TRYED TO CLOSE THAT POSITION OVER 5 TIMES.
THEY TOLD ME PLAIN THAT THEY WONT LET ME TRADE ANY MORE AT NEWS TIMES, WHY BECAUSE THEY CANīT TRADE AGAINST YOU. SO DONīT LET BE FOOLED BY YOUR BROKER ITS THEM NOT THE MARKET.
Your story is hard to believe... if they did not allow people to trade during news times they would loose all their accounts to their competitors. Please, let us not forget that there is a basic balance of supply and demand in the works here. Even when the CME opens their forex operations, NFP reports will still create huge spreads on their platforms. Why? Because when hundreds of thousands of people DEMAND the same thing - price goes up. So let's not get into this "broker trades against me" nonsense. Stick to the script, and forget wasting time on this futile discussion... you could have been backtesting strategies this whole time. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o></o>

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Stop trading the news... and learn to trade.<o></o>
  • #28
  • Oct 7, 2006 9:03pm Oct 7, 2006 9:03pm
I say fight the good fight when you are right. It must be done. But this is not a good fight. You can't prove when you clicked. You have nothing. No proof. Not a leg to stand on.

Clicking in on a spike is not a good strategy. If you have gotten away with clicking in on a nonfarm spike in the past and made money, count your blessings. Use all of your anxious energy to formulate better strategies. There are good news trading strategies.

Look at Bk's printout at many levels the price increments were jumping by 10's. The reality is that is not a good time to buy - end of story. If you can't get in before the spike wait for the first pullback and buy there. If you would have emplyed this strategy you would not have been in this thing the wrong way at all.

Spend your energy looking at tick charts of NFP price action after the release. If you look at enough of them you will see patterns of behavior. Then you can formulate some real strategies.
Profit is where readiness meets Opportunity
  • #29
  • Oct 7, 2006 10:50pm Oct 7, 2006 10:50pm
Quoting BurgerKing
You guys are totally pathethic bashing on a fellow trader as if brokers paid huge money for you to do this onto fellow traders! Traders should side with fellow traders!

Bernfriedd,
For all intents and purposes, FXCM is the worse to trade US news and GFT is the worst of all - you cant trade any news with them.

News trading is definitely profitable - you need a better broker. Perhaps move onto an ECN broker that plays fair (though with higher spreads on news time).

Going back to your plan of suing FXCM, the problem here is that HOW can you indeed prove that you ordered at 8830 and not 8875 and waited 1 minute for the order to show up. Nonetheless, file the complain so they know you are not a push over.

Next time, dont bet large lots that will blow your account. I know from experience that trying a home run is totally a NO-NO. there are many news to trade in a month. You can still make money slowly on each of them. win some, lose some, but please dont try to lose all in one go.
Amen to that.
Sick and tired of people saying news trading is not proper trading...utter BS. It just requires a different strategy.
  • #30
  • Oct 7, 2006 11:29pm Oct 7, 2006 11:29pm
Quoting Bernfriedd
But I have never ever received any slippage with a market order.
well now you have, and regardless of how much money you lost, consider it a cheap lesson. and be prepared to learn many more such "cheap" lessons

"market order" means "next best price". it is critical to understand this.
Relax and be happy.
  • #31
  • Oct 7, 2006 11:39pm Oct 7, 2006 11:39pm
btw, makes me very happy to see the replies in this thread. FINALLY we have more educated traders than borker-conspiracy-newbies. and to you newbies, this tough love it good for you. one day you will be thankful we slapped some knowlege into ya

play the game baby
Relax and be happy.
  • #32
  • Oct 7, 2006 11:48pm Oct 7, 2006 11:48pm
I had a short @ 8890 almost 12 hours before the NFP or any other news, because I trade based on waves on 4 hour and daily.

AVOID NEWS TRADING

That is all I have to say, needless to say during the news the market moved in the direction of my trade and I got a good 200 pips.

When you trade the waves, the news just seems to fit into the waves as if they were specially designed to go with the waves.
  • #33
  • Oct 7, 2006 11:55pm Oct 7, 2006 11:55pm
Quoting Bernfriedd
I am in touch with a guy who claims to have a strategy to get back to FXCM, you make one trade, you make big bucks and you run. If he should really share this strategy with me (provided that this strategy does indeed exist), I will be happy to share it with all of you!
Hold on there buck-a-roo,

If such a strategy exists, certainly share it, BUT NOT IN THE PUBLIC FORUMS, use the private messaging system.

As to your issue with FXCM, certainly much ink in FF has warned against continued usage of broker. I left them earlier this year as have many other traders.

TurboKaos comes closest: your price was in the "gap" and thus non-existent, with the next available price 50 pips away. Had your buy executed at say, 8820 before the spike, then handsome profits would have been yours.

Litigation - You can sue

But should you?

Anyone can file a civil action but litigation is cost prohibitive. Doubtful that an attorney will accept the case on contingency, so you will probably face a $20,000 retainer, plus expenses, then billing at $200 - $400 per hour. Then assuming you survive a 12(b)(6) motion or assuming a judge doesn't find it frivoulous. Not only is litigation costly from a financial perspective, it is very stressful from an emotional and mental perspective. This will take time away from what you really want to do - trade forex.

Just information; not a recommendation.
  • #34
  • Oct 8, 2006 12:17am Oct 8, 2006 12:17am
Don't thrust brokers, they are not your friends. Pick one of them which gives you good customer support, one who treats you as a valuable customer and one you have checked through to see how reliable they are. Consider about trading the news, because things like you have experienced now will happen all the time.

Bottom line, all brokers are thieves, but don't let that upset you.
  • #35
  • Oct 8, 2006 12:46am Oct 8, 2006 12:46am
Looking forward to the day when bad brokers will turn bankrupt, I Just don't get it, why FXCM does still exist?
I bet it's because most of it's clients are newbies that got hooked from an msn messenger ad.
You just play fairly or get lost baby. :thumb down:
Trading is a long and a short story.
  • #36
  • Oct 8, 2006 1:19am Oct 8, 2006 1:19am
I still have an open account with FXCM and I use them once in a blue moon. I did notice that when there is a faster trending movement .. and this is not during news hours ... my entry would be refused and a notice would say the price had moved. I never trust them for any news trading because their system is so slow!
  • #37
  • Oct 8, 2006 1:35am Oct 8, 2006 1:35am
Quoting spinmypip
Looking forward to the day when bad brokers will turn bankrupt, I Just don't get it, why FXCM does still exist?
I bet it's because most of it's clients are newbies that got hooked from an msn messenger ad.
You just play fairly or get lost baby. :thumb down:
That's exactly it. Because 95% of most traders are utter newbies and give into all of the marketing crap. It's all in the numbers. I don't blame the brokers one bit... they are smart at reeling in the new suckers. Big business baybeeee....
Mr. Trend
  • #38
  • Edited 5:40am Oct 8, 2006 5:21am | Edited 5:40am
Quoting Bernfriedd
I need your advice guys! After what happened to me on Friday's NFP I am ready to sue FXCM.

The numbers came out and I got in long at 1.8830 with a market order, at least this is what I thought.
It took my trade to register about a minute on the station and I almost got a heart attack when I saw that the price I was given was 8875. Now this is 45 pips slippage for a market order????

Normally, when the market moves fast, with FXCM a window pops up, "price has moved" and you do not get into the trade at all. Or at times, especially at NFP you will get a dealer window with a slippage price you have 5 seconds to accept or not.

But I have never ever received any slippage with a market order. Either you get the price and you are in at the price you clicked or one of the two above mentioned scenarios will happen.

Of course I called FXCM and they added insult to injury by telling me that my eyes must have played me a trick. Basically they said that the price was moving so fast that I did not see it on the station. When I replied that if that were so, shouldn't the "price has moved window" open and I should not have been in the trade? This they could not answer!

Needless to say that I lost a ton of money!

Now is there any recourse for me to take? This time I am ready to sue these guys.

If they can give you any price they want at any time, it is a waste of time and moneay to trade any fast moving market with them, since how can you prove in front of a court that the price was 8830 when you clicked and not 8875?

And if FXCM can pull tricks like that, who will guarantee that other brokers do not pull the same stunts?
If you want I can send you a pm with the name of someone at FXCM that can help you out. I too had a problem with them a month or 2 ago after a certain news event. After I talked it over with someone from the audit committee, they agreed to undo the dubious trade in question.

Complaining about brokers is futile or should at least be done in a more professional manner as you can see. Only a few will truly listen to what you have to say, the others will make use of the opportunity to tell the "noob" that he's naive and should know better than to trade big news announcements.

This person clearly states that he has more than a year experience with the FXCM platform. He knows how it works and how to take advantage of it at news times or at least that's what he thought. Why would anyone not having any experience with the current FXCM platform try to help. This guy needs real help not a lecture that he probably read numerous times already. Yes, these kind of threads are very annoying, but at least just IGNORE them if you are irritaded.

At FXCM if you want to play safe at this kind of wild rollercoaster rides, a market order is advisable. He knew that by doing so he would only enter at the price he sees or be given the choice to accept a requote. And if the market suddenly moves the moment you try to enter, they normally always show a window that tells you that the market moved. Only problem is that a market order during NFP or any other big news announcement will not always be accepted. The higher the amount of lots at stake the higher the probability you will be ignored.

If the market doesn't suddenly move, his order should go through and he should get the window "waiting for dealer's answer". When this window appears it takes A WHILE before the order gets approved. If the market moves during the time he's waiting, he'll get a requote that he can either accept or reject within 10 seconds if I'm not mistaken. That's how it's always been for the limited 5 months I've been with them.

According to him last Friday against all what he was used to all this time, he gets in the trade at 1.8830 and gets to wait a minute only to see his order getting entered at 1.8875 without any warning whatsoever. If he truly tried to enter at 1.8830 and got entered at 1.8875 without being warned in any way, then there's totally no discussion about who's at fault (if they didn't suddenly change their execution policy Friday).

Let's assume that he unwillingly entered the trade at 1.8875 instead of 1.8830. That's indeed too bad, BUT there are a few inconsistencies. If he's on manual execution (even if he's not, no one just enters the market at these kind of times without having to deal with a dealer) he would have to wait for a dealer's approval which takes at least 5 seconds UNDER NORMAL MARKET CONDITIONS. So normally he should have had all the time in the world after seeing he accidently tried to enter at 1.8875 to cancel the order while awaiting the dealer's reaction. I recall having to waiting for more than 2 minutes during the last GBP rate hike before they offered me a requote. So instead he waits a minute without being able to cancel the order only to see that he's been entered at the top of the spike. Suspicious is a word that comes to mind when I read this.

Maybe they changed the execution rules. If that's the case we should have been informed in advance about it. We get put on manual execution without any notice, they prevent us from putting entry orders before highly anticipated/some news events (wasn't the case during Friday's NFP for still unclear and very suspicious reasons...), etc. Had he known that the rules changed all of a sudden, he would have undoubtly rethought his current strategy and adapted without needlessly getting burned. Unfortunately for him, he had to learn this lesson the hard way. I am thankful he posted this message. At least now other traders at FXCM know what they can expect next time. I want consistency and transparency. We should both know what to expect from each other. Changing the way you operate whenever you feel like it is jut not fair and causes unnecessary suspision to arise. I've read the client agreement and know that they can get away with a lot of things. Still you can't keep abusing your clients forever. Ultimately the word will spread and justice will prevail (but taking human stupidity in consideration you never know...).

@ Bernfriedd:

Do you get the "waiting for dealer's approval" window for every trade?

Have a nice weekend everyone and I wish you all good luck trading!
  • #39
  • Oct 8, 2006 8:31am Oct 8, 2006 8:31am
ZedHashPip, you put in eloquent words what exactly happened to me on Friday.

I normally get the "price has moved" window or the dealer intervention window when I tin the past had tried to enter a market order during NFP. I was never given slippage.

You asked if I saw dealer intervention a lot of times. No, mostly ist was the "price has moved window" and I had confirmed with FXCM with an earlier phone call that I was not on manual.

From the responses I understand that there is nothing I can do, litigating is far too expensive. This is the exact reason why guys like FXCM can pull stunts like that.

Now if you would not mind giving me your contact person at FXCM who helped you out, I would truly appreciate it.
  • #40
  • Oct 8, 2006 8:33am Oct 8, 2006 8:33am
I use gft, didnt have a problem trading NFP in fact made money on the run up and run down, whenever I lose money its usually my fault, unless there some blatant manipulation on price compared to my order then I will call that in, but expect slippage thru your stop if its too close during NFP, DANGEROUS TIME TO TRADE USE CAUTION!
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