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  • #2,121
  • Sep 13, 2018 4:04am Sep 13, 2018 4:04am
During this time, EA was used with settings for short and repetitive profits (around 2-10 pips).
V1_09b there are additions to function with SL / TP long and long Trailing.
The following file sets for TF M5 - M30 with SL 100, Trailing_Start 70/5 and 15/10,
Attached BT results Apr - Aug 2018, along with file sets for TF M30.
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File Type: ex4 Mrg_Micro_Martingale_V1_09b.ex4   156 KB | 391 downloads
File Type: zip EU Trend Long GreenRed thrue.zip   2 KB | 300 downloads
margiyono61 gmail com, Telegr @Margiyono
  • #2,122
  • Sep 13, 2018 4:25am Sep 13, 2018 4:25am
The Profit_Trailing_Start parameter is raised to 150 (%), the result is as follows.
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  • #2,123
  • Sep 13, 2018 11:27am Sep 13, 2018 11:27am
Quoting mrgmrg
During this time, EA was used with settings for short and repetitive profits (around 2-10 pips). V1_09b there are additions to function with SL / TP long and long Trailing. The following file sets for TF M5 - M30 with SL 100, Trailing_Start 70/5 and 15/10, Attached BT results Apr - Aug 2018, along with file sets for TF M30. {file} {file} {image}
Thanks for the update and setfile... I'll throw it on and see what happens.

The issue I had with standard backtest and actual performance, is for the losing day yesterday, the backtest showed only profit, but the live and forward demo both had losses. So there was no correllation between live and forward, vs backtest.

So I downloaded and installed the TickDataSuite.
Now optimizing on that data with variable spread enabled.
Will then compare optimized results for backtest and forward test after the optimization completes. It takes very long to optimize so many parameters. Wish there was a faster way to optimize.

A lot fewer high profits noticed so far on optimization. DD want to go to 70% in most cases, so I put limit on optimization DD to 40%. Therefore, missing many possible outcomes.
  • #2,124
  • Sep 13, 2018 11:42am Sep 13, 2018 11:42am
Quoting mrgmrg
During this time, EA was used with settings for short and repetitive profits (around 2-10 pips). V1_09b there are additions to function with SL / TP long and long Trailing. The following file sets for TF M5 - M30 with SL 100, Trailing_Start 70/5 and 15/10, Attached BT results Apr - Aug 2018, along with file sets for TF M30. {file} {file} {image}
Thanks for the update and setfile... I'll throw it on and see what happens.

The issue I had with standard backtest and actual performance, is for the losing day yesterday, the backtest showed only profit, but the live and forward demo both had losses. So there was no correllation between live and forward, vs backtest.

So I downloaded and installed the TickDataSuite.
Now optimizing on that data with variable spread enabled.
Will then compare optimized results for backtest and forward test after the optimization completes. It takes very long to optimize so many parameters. Wish there was a faster way to optimize.

A lot fewer high profits noticed so far on optimization. DD want to go to 70% in most cases, so I put limit on optimization DD to 40%. Therefore, missing many possible outcomes.
  • #2,125
  • Sep 14, 2018 11:01am Sep 14, 2018 11:01am
@mrgmrg i analize your EA in the previous critical situation like 14 june EU , and you make a great job with a locking profit , EA can recognize when start locking and wich size used for , and the DD on 1000 usd is only 11% in that situation, very nice!!! my compliments....

P.S. I use your set file of EU with locking profit but in M5 TF
  • #2,126
  • Sep 15, 2018 8:48am Sep 15, 2018 8:48am
Quoting mike74
@mrgmrg i analize your EA in the previous critical situation like 14 june EU , and you make a great job with a locking profit , EA can recognize when start locking and wich size used for , and the DD on 1000 usd is only 11% in that situation, very nice!!! my compliments.... P.S. I use your set file of EU with locking profit but in M5 TF
Hi Mike

Thanks.
When trending up / down is like June 14, the locking function will work properly. But if there has been locking and sideways, this is a problem with using a lot of margin.
Solution for that, with dysplasia with Partial closing. About this, it is still under development and not yet finished.
Here are two alternative examples of SET files for M5, for Leverage 1: 500, for Reversal and Trending (can be used together with different charts.

Rgds
Attached File(s)
File Type: zip EU M5 Trending and Reversal.zip   4 KB | 212 downloads
margiyono61 gmail com, Telegr @Margiyono
  • #2,127
  • Sep 15, 2018 9:15am Sep 15, 2018 9:15am
Quoting mrgmrg
{quote} Hi Mike Thanks. When trending up / down is like June 14, the locking function will work properly. But if there has been locking and sideways, this is a problem with using a lot of margin. Solution for that, with dysplasia with Partial closing. About this, it is still under development and not yet finished. Here are two alternative examples of SET files for M5, for Leverage 1: 500, for Reversal and Trending (can be used together with different charts. Rgds {file}
thanks for sharing a set file for 5 min. , correct me if i wrong: i have to open 2 chart EU M5 , in one i put the reversal file and in one i have to put the trending file, the question is: need to change a magic number ?? every number is the same?? and if in one chart is in profit and in another accumulate a bid DD what you suggest to do?? The EA have any protection of a big DD will blow the account?? I ask you this because you know any martingale EA suffering about before or after in some strange day can burn your account, and is VERY important if u suggest the correct use in a long term for have a profit ( small or big but profit) and also running in a safe mode for have a sweet dream :-)) EXAMPLE : if the EA basically can make a 5% a day , and in 10 days 1 time have a big DD over 5% , maybe is better cut the loss over 5% and continue with a small loss can recovered in the next days, this is my opinion because i am not coder and i don't know what we can do for have a profit without blow the account, can you explain how to manage the EA martingale ?? many thanks sir, you make a great job!!! maybe in the next future i bought your EA ...
  • #2,128
  • Sep 15, 2018 9:39am Sep 15, 2018 9:39am
Hi Mike

1. Yups, with the same pair, the magic number must be different.

2. There is no limitation on close loss if it exceeds the maxdd. But there are other means of SL, percentage of closing, or Stop EA if loss exceeds maxdd.
margiyono61 gmail com, Telegr @Margiyono
  • #2,129
  • Sep 15, 2018 10:02am Sep 15, 2018 10:02am
Quoting mrgmrg
Hi Mike 1. Yups, with the same pair, the magic number must be different. 2. There is no limitation on close loss if it exceeds the maxdd. But there are other means of SL, percentage of closing, or Stop EA if loss exceeds maxdd.
thanks for reply, i think you try a lot of different combo on backtest , what you suggest for a long running with a locking fuction , for a safe run? how much profit can make in a month and with a safety profile of DD ???
  • #2,130
  • Sep 15, 2018 11:11am Sep 15, 2018 11:11am
Quoting mike74
{quote} thanks for reply, i think you try a lot of different combo on backtest , what you suggest for a long running with a locking fuction , for a safe run? how much profit can make in a month and with a safety profile of DD ???
This EA works with several variations, to suit your needs.
1. The default parameter setting for all pairs by adjusting Signal_Level for each pair, working with semi martingale.
Only take advantage of instantaneous reversals, with a larger MM.
2. with full martingale, without SL with small MM.
3. follow the long trend with Martingale accompanied by SL.
4. Run without martingale
5. First Triger manually from all platforms including from mobile phone (Manual_Trading = true), EA that will continue the solution.
Ideally, full Martingale with MM is bigger, by locking and splitting closing.
margiyono61 gmail com, Telegr @Margiyono
  • #2,131
  • Sep 15, 2018 11:37am Sep 15, 2018 11:37am
Quoting mrgmrg
{quote} This EA works with several variations, to suit your needs. 1. The default parameter setting for all pairs by adjusting Signal_Level for each pair, working with semi martingale. Only take advantage of instantaneous reversals, with a larger MM. 2. with full martingale, without SL with small MM. 3. follow the long trend with Martingale accompanied by SL. 4. Run without martingale 5. First Triger manually from all platforms including from mobile phone (Manual_Trading = true), EA that will continue the solution. Ideally, full Martingale with...
Nice work , complete and accurate ....and about Cent account what you suggest?? 1000$ ( cent account) with many pairs , or splitted in 10 micro account of 100$ with one pair each?? You try already some best solution??
  • #2,132
  • Sep 15, 2018 11:44am Sep 15, 2018 11:44am
Quoting mike74
{quote} Nice work , complete and accurate ....and about Cent account what you suggest?? 1000$ ( cent account) with many pairs , or splitted in 10 micro account of 100$ with one pair each?? You try already some best solution??
cent account doesn't have and has never tried it for BT or Live. If with 3 and 5 digits, it might be different for all percentage parameters (MM, Profit Trailing and locking).
Note: MM percentage of Free margin, Closing percentage of Use Margin per Magic number.
margiyono61 gmail com, Telegr @Margiyono
  • #2,133
  • Sep 15, 2018 2:09pm Sep 15, 2018 2:09pm
Quoting ffjbentz
{quote} Thanks for the update and setfile... I'll throw it on and see what happens. The issue I had with standard backtest and actual performance, is for the losing day yesterday, the backtest showed only profit, but the live and forward demo both had losses. So there was no correllation between live and forward, vs backtest. So I downloaded and installed the TickDataSuite. Now optimizing on that data with variable spread enabled. Will then compare optimized results for backtest and forward test after the optimization completes. It takes very long...
Hi margiyono, i've experienced the same issue.
Making a comparison between real account and same period in backtest (half day) i saw that in backtest closed 57 operation while in real it only closed 10 operation (as you can see in the image attached; in yellow the operation that makes both in real and in backtest).

Micro version 9b, default setting, signal 4.5 EU TF5min

I also attached the backtest from where i checked the operation
Marco
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File Type: pdf Strategy Tester: Mrg_Micro_Martingale_V1_09b.pdf   169 KB | 237 downloads
  • #2,134
  • Edited 9:33pm Sep 15, 2018 9:20pm | Edited 9:33pm
Quoting martico79
{quote} Hi margiyono, i've experienced the same issue. Making a comparison between real account and same period in backtest (half day) i saw that in backtest closed 57 operation while in real it only closed 10 operation (as you can see in the image attached; in yellow the operation that makes both in real and in backtest). Micro version 9b, default setting, signal 4.5 EU TF5min I also attached the backtest from where i checked the operation Marco {image} {image} {image}
Hi Martico
The difference between BT and FT can occur there are several causes, including:
1. An error occurred in the Journal (especially if Virtual_Pending and Trailing_Virtual = false)
2. Widening Spreads
3. Slipage changes
4. Internet connection
5. Max_Increment (5), there is often a difference when in high speed.

For September 14th, there shouldn't be that much difference.
I BT your parameters on ICMarket, 18 X transactions occur.

I see you BT two days, the number of transactions is around 148. But just tell me BT, only 63.

For small signals (-1) with EU no loss file set, BT and FT the number of transactions is almost the same

Rgds
margiyono61 gmail com, Telegr @Margiyono
  • #2,135
  • Sep 15, 2018 10:34pm Sep 15, 2018 10:34pm
Quoting mrgmrg
{quote} Hi Martico The difference between BT and FT can occur there are several causes, including: 1. An error occurred in the Journal (especially if Virtual_Pending and Trailing_Virtual = false) 2. Widening Spreads 3. Slipage changes 4. Internet connection 5. Max_Increment (5), there is often a difference when in high speed. For September 14th, there shouldn't be that much difference. I BT your parameters on ICMarket, 18 X transactions occur. I see you BT two days, the number of transactions is around 148. But just tell me BT, only 63. For small...
Hi Margiyono,
I have to admit, I have never actually understood what the Max_Increment means. Even the signals.

If there is already a text file explaining all the inputs, just direct me to it, otherwise, maybe for benefit of all,
is it possible to give the meaning of these inputs please:

Signal_Level
Signal_Limit
Max_Open_Increment
TrailingStart/Step_2
Profit_Lock_Firsttime
_Min_Transition
Martingale_Multiplication
Max_Re_Open
Double_Order
Locking_Enable_Tran
Locking_Multiplication

When would we see:
Reversal
Pending_Order


Sorry to be such a NewB.
Thanks,
jb
  • #2,136
  • Sep 15, 2018 10:56pm Sep 15, 2018 10:56pm
Quoting ffjbentz
{quote} Hi Margiyono, I have to admit, I have never actually understood what the Max_Increment means. Even the signals. If there is already a text file explaining all the inputs, just direct me to it, otherwise, maybe for benefit of all, is it possible to give the meaning of these inputs please: Signal_Level Signal_Limit Max_Open_Increment TrailingStart/Step_2 Profit_Lock_Firsttime _Min_Transition Martingale_Multiplication Max_Re_Open Double_Order Locking_Enable_Tran Locking_Multiplication When would we see: Reversal Pending_Order Sorry to be such...
Hi JB

Generally it can be seen on page 1 (PDF file), but it may not be complete.

Max_Open_Increment (default 5):
The maximum transaction limit in the same time in one candle is only a few millisecons.
For example candle up, at length pips = 10 open sell, then still move up will open sell every tick with a maximum of 5 times.

Double_Order:
For example Signal_Level = 5. Candle up until 17 pips. When the length of the 8 pips candle will op Buy and when the length of candle 17 op Sell. With the hope of profit, profit.
But if Double_Order = false, it will only sell at around the length of the candle 17.

Pending_Order if true, op BUYSTOP/SELLSTOP, if false op BUY/SELL

Rgds
margiyono61 gmail com, Telegr @Margiyono
  • #2,137
  • Sep 16, 2018 5:33am Sep 16, 2018 5:33am
Can i have for try a set files with a pretty profit and with SL ( tight or more large) for EU , GU in 1 min. TF , for live demo...some maybe you backtest before and make a pretty result with a fixed DD ...thanks
  • #2,138
  • Sep 16, 2018 8:47am Sep 16, 2018 8:47am
Quoting mike74
Can i have for try a set files with a pretty profit and with SL ( tight or more large) for EU , GU in 1 min. TF , for live demo...some maybe you backtest before and make a pretty result with a fixed DD ...thanks
Hi MIke

Here are 3 sets of files (for Leverage 1:500)
1. Set EU file for all timeframes (M1 - D1)
2. Set GU file for all timeframes (M1 - D1)
3. Set the EU GU UJ file for the M1 timeframe
If installed on the same Piar, don't forget to differentiate the Magic number

Rgds
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File Type: zip SET File.zip   6 KB | 243 downloads
margiyono61 gmail com, Telegr @Margiyono
  • #2,139
  • Sep 16, 2018 9:17am Sep 16, 2018 9:17am
Quoting mike74
{quote} Nice work , complete and accurate ....and about Cent account what you suggest?? 1000$ ( cent account) with many pairs , or splitted in 10 micro account of 100$ with one pair each?? You try already some best solution??
Hi Mike.
I have done many backtests on cent account. My plan is trade about 300 USD (30000 USC) on 10 pairs and get small but safe profit monthly. But unfortunately Ea can't be tested and cant be traded properly because there is limitation of 15 trades in one grid. After Ea get 16 trades in grid then starts be crazy and starts open so many trades in the same time and that ruin account. I already complained abou this limitation ( for me issue) but can't see any updates about it. I strongly advise to Mrgmrg to remove this trades limit asap and allow people to trade in the way they want to trade.
  • #2,140
  • Sep 16, 2018 10:36am Sep 16, 2018 10:36am
Quoting mrgmrg
{quote} Hi MIke Here are 3 sets of files (for Leverage 1:500) 1. Set EU file for all timeframes (M1 - D1) 2. Set GU file for all timeframes (M1 - D1) 3. Set the EU GU UJ file for the M1 timeframe If installed on the same Piar, don't forget to differentiate the Magic number Rgds {file}
thank you sir, i will try on demo ....
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