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  • #9,381
  • Jul 23, 2018 8:00pm Jul 23, 2018 8:00pm
Quoting sponge
{quote} Hi Gann1993, I am very interested in market timing but the planet stuff is just a wee bit complicated for me. I do dabble with market timing and have some success. If the lads on here think it's off topic don't disappear start you own thread please. sponge

Hi Sponge, Thank you for your kind response.

I wish i could start my own thread but i am not able to do that because i am a 'low impact member'. Low impact members are not able to start their own threads.
So maybe i will do that in the future if/when i become a high impact member, or if someone wants to open a thread for me who knows..

What kind of timing analysis are you using right now, fibonacci timing? I could help you with that if you would like to.
I understand, astronomy can be verry difficult and it is not for everyone..
  • #9,382
  • Jul 24, 2018 6:06am Jul 24, 2018 6:06am
result so far:

1st timing resulted in 57 pips reversal
2nd timing resulted in a 10 pip loss (it was more a consolidation instead of reversal, so always use tight stoploss if not sure)
3rd timing is going strong with a 60 pips reversal so far

And actually the 2nd timing could have been avoided because it didn't hit any of my resistance/support levels at the timing.
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  • #9,383
  • Jul 24, 2018 11:29am Jul 24, 2018 11:29am
Quoting Gann1993
result so far: 1st timing resulted in 57 pips reversal 2nd timing resulted in a 10 pip loss (it was more a consolidation instead of reversal, so always use tight stoploss if not sure) 3rd timing is going strong with a 60 pips reversal so far And actually the 2nd timing could have been avoided because it didn't hit any of my resistance/support levels at the timing. {image}

Hello Gann1993....

Your method is reminiscent of Abhay's thread... https://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=565863

We welcome all sincere explorers here. Will you disclose what the triggers are that set the vertical lines on your chart? This forum exists to educate, research and share the fruits of that research.

My worry is that you will not disclose what is behind your method for others to test.

In good faith,

Jerry
  • #9,384
  • Jul 24, 2018 12:09pm Jul 24, 2018 12:09pm
Mate Gann 1993 hi.

I would be obliged if your vertical lines are mentioned in ESTDT time. Your charts are not kept on NY time ? How is it possible ?

Kind regards,

F.G.

  • #9,385
  • Jul 24, 2018 12:57pm Jul 24, 2018 12:57pm
Quoting Gann1993
{quote} Hi Sponge, Thank you for your kind response. I wish i could start my own thread but i am not able to do that because i am a 'low impact member'. Low impact members are not able to start their own threads. So maybe i will do that in the future if/when i become a high impact member, or if someone wants to open a thread for me who knows.. What kind of timing analysis are you using right now, fibonacci timing? I could help you with that if you would like to. I understand, astronomy can be verry difficult and it is not for everyone..
Hi Gann 1993, yes I would love to have your help with market timing, how do we go about that?

jnevins has cleared the air for me so I think we should continue here but if not just let me know.

Yes I am using fibonacci
All charts/ideas based on UK time zone
  • #9,386
  • Jul 24, 2018 2:12pm Jul 24, 2018 2:12pm
Here is a short video on using the Horizontal Ephemeris in Timing Solution to calculate trigger points for change in trend for intraday trading. In addition to regular planetary aspects, this calculates the transits of the objects through declination values. Set vertical lines on your MT4 chart where transits occur...

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  • #9,387
  • Jul 24, 2018 2:34pm Jul 24, 2018 2:34pm
Quoting jnevins
{quote} Hello Gann1993.... Your method is reminiscent of Abhay's thread... https://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=565863 We welcome all sincere explorers here. Will you disclose what the triggers are that set the vertical lines on your chart? This forum exists to educate, research and share the fruits of that research. My worry is that you will not disclose what is behind your method for others to test. In good faith, Jerry

Hi Jnevenis,

Indeed Abhay's method looks similiar to my method but it's difficult to say just by watching pictures of his indicator.
And from my point of view he is not getting the same accuracy.
What is amazing is that he has built an indicator for his method of forecasting timings. Long time ago i came across his thread but nobody is talking anymore about his indicator, seems like the thread is dead.. I also never tested his indicator because it seems confusing.

How i calculate the vertical lines? With all respect, this question has been asked way too many times in the last 2 years.
Let me explain why i will not serve it on silver plate:

First of all i have been dedicating my whole life to get to the point where i am now, the road to get here was NOT pretty.
I have been studying, researching and spending ALOT of TIME to understand astrology, astronomy, numerology, cycles, human behaviour, mass psychology, geometry, natural laws, life .. etc..

NOBODY has helped me in this field, as most people don't believe in these kind of studies and the ones who believe, understand and are using it are not sharing it for free. This is normal because they had also NOBODY to help them and nobody who believed in them. AFTER they became succesful, then everybody asked them to share it and how they did it.. Same story.. They didn't share it OR if they did they asked alot of money for it.

Now as you all will know the most valuable in life is not money .. BUT TIME!!!
We will never be able to buy TIME, to sell TIME, or to win TIME

We only have a certain amount of time in our life and THATS IT
So please with all respect, understand the ones who have put ALOT OF TIME in finding the missing pieces the the puzzle with no guarantee of finding them..

It is not about the vertical lines, it's about much more then that. It's about Ancient knowledge which provides understanding of life. Understanding of the bible, egypt, astronomy and much more ..

Nobody who has been going down this road for years or sometimes a life time is going to share it for free on some forum.

I am sharing my results of my hard work with everybody on the internet by posting on this forum, other traders can copy these timings on their own chart and profit from it by trading it.

Others who are willing to put in YEARS of hard work to find the truth are feeling blessed right now because i am showing them that it can be done. Also they will find alot of clues and tips in my posts to find the truth. When i can see that someone is working really hard to get understanding of the truth/cause behind the markets then i will personally help that person.


But if you and other traders on this thread think this is not helping in any kind of way then i will make no problem out of it.
Then i will stop posting in this thread ..


Knowledge is priceless

Sincere,

Christophe
  • #9,388
  • Jul 24, 2018 2:40pm Jul 24, 2018 2:40pm
Quoting F.g
Mate Gann 1993 hi. I would be obliged if your vertical lines are mentioned in ESTDT time. Your charts are not kept on NY time ? How is it possible ? Kind regards, F.G.
Hi F.g,

My tradingview charts are always in my local time (belgium) because that's the most easy way for me to work.
As you may know i am specialized in predicting turns in the markets based on timings. So to work with timings it is really necessary for me to work in my local time.

Otherwise things would get way too complicated

If you are having problems with converting my timings to your timezone just let me know where you live and i will do it for you?

Kind regards,

Christophe
  • #9,389
  • Jul 24, 2018 2:48pm Jul 24, 2018 2:48pm
Quoting sponge
{quote} Hi Gann 1993, yes I would love to have your help with market timing, how do we go about that? jnevins has cleared the air for me so I think we should continue here but if not just let me know. Yes I am using fibonacci

Hi Sponge,

Okay i will help you with that, but i think it's better to talk in private or on another thread because using only fibonacci timings is not related to this thread.
So send me a DM if that's possible?

Kind regards,

Christophe
  • #9,390
  • Jul 24, 2018 2:58pm Jul 24, 2018 2:58pm
Quoting Gann1993
{quote} Hi Jnevenis, Indeed Abhay's method looks similiar to my method but it's difficult to say just by watching pictures of his indicator. And from my point of view he is not getting the same accuracy. What is amazing is that he has built an indicator for his method of forecasting timings. Long time ago i came across his thread but nobody is talking anymore about his indicator, seems like the thread is dead.. I also never tested his indicator because it seems confusing. How i calculate the vertical lines? With all respect, this question has been...

Amen, brutha.
  • #9,391
  • Jul 24, 2018 4:40pm Jul 24, 2018 4:40pm
Quoting Gann1993
{quote} Hi F.g, My tradingview charts are always in my local time (belgium) because that's the most easy way for me to work. As you may know i am specialized in predicting turns in the markets based on timings. So to work with timings it is really necessary for me to work in my local time. Otherwise things would get way too complicated If you are having problems with converting my timings to your timezone just let me know where you live and i will do it for you? Kind regards, Christophe

Man , I am in a difficult position . When I see somebody using on his charts his local time , I am getting a jerk of dissapointment. I am afraid that those reading these lines , including you , will form the impression that I make a critisism against your method and knowledge . Hey NO.
BUT the center of the Trading World is NY, NY. POINT. This is the time that astronomical events should be noted on our charts. If somebody does it with his local time , he just didn't discover anything yet...

It doesn't matter where you are . Everything revolves around N.Y.

My 2 cents .

Kind regards.

  • #9,392
  • Jul 24, 2018 5:15pm Jul 24, 2018 5:15pm
Quoting Gann1993
{quote} Hi Jnevenis, Indeed Abhay's method looks similiar to my method but it's difficult to say just by watching pictures of his indicator. And from my point of view he is not getting the same accuracy. What is amazing is that he has built an indicator for his method of forecasting timings. Long time ago i came across his thread but nobody is talking anymore about his indicator, seems like the thread is dead.. I also never tested his indicator because it seems confusing. How i calculate the vertical lines? With all respect, this question has been...

Thanks for your thoughtful and well considered post, Christophe. Knowledge is priceless. Members of this forum who are contributing their knowledge also have many years of study in trading, mathematics, esoteric subjects, and life itself. Your own knowledge is based on your hard work, yes.... but it is also from standing on the shoulders of teachers that have come before you. No one person is so brilliant that they can crack this mystery independently. In sharing what we know with others, we stand to understand what we know more deeply. I say this as a full time educator in higher education for 41 years.

In teaching others, you teach yourself.

There is no "secret", knowledge is not fixed. There is an infinite universe out there... an ocean of possibilities. I prefer to reach an understanding of the world that is co-created with mutual respect. One could, with the right focus, become extremely rich with the one tidbit I just shared in the short video I just posted... most, however will not be able to use it in a profitable way... myself included.
  • #9,393
  • Jul 24, 2018 5:22pm Jul 24, 2018 5:22pm
Quoting F.g
{quote} Man , I am in a difficult position . When I see somebody using on his charts his local time , I am getting a jerk of dissapointment. I am afraid that those reading these lines , including you , will form the impression that I make a critisism against your method and knowledge . Hey NO. BUT the center of the Trading World is NY, NY. POINT. This is the time that astronomical events should be noted on our charts. If somebody does it with his local time , he just didn't discover anything yet... It doesn't matter where you are ....

Completely incorrect ..

Before making such a comment you should first understand how time works.
If you would have a basic understanding of time you would understand that what you are trying to say doesn't change a thing!

Example: let's say we use a moon conjunct venus as turning point (which is not something i use)

You live in NY and you are using NY timezone
MOON CONJUNCT VENUS = You find a pivot/turning point on monday @ 06:00AM (your timezone) and you write that down
SO now you are planning to place a trade next MOON CONJUNCT VENUS on a wednesday @ 08:00AM (your timezone)

Me i live in Brussels and i am using Brussels Timezone
MOON CONJUNCT VENUS = I find THE SAME pivot/turning point as you did, but for me that was on monday @ 01:00PM (my timezone) so i write that down
SO now i am planning to place a trade next MOON CONJUNCT VENUS on a wednesday @ 03:00PM (my timezone)

Do you understand that we are going to write down the same pivot and we are going to place a trade next moon conjunct venus on the EXACT same moment?
So explain to me what is the difference? NY Timezone is nothing more then your interpretation of time while my timezone is my interpretation of time..

And to go further in your way of thinking which doesn't make sense. You say new york is the center of the trading world which is totally incorrect.
New york is the center of trading of U.S. Stocks ONLY!

This thread is about EURUSD and so are my timing calculations.
Did you know forex markets aren't located anywhere in the world? And for sure not in NY
There is no trading center for all forex markets!

By the way, horoscopes are only 20% of astrology.
There is much more then just reading a horoscope to predict a market..

Just my 2 cents

Sincere,

Christophe
  • #9,394
  • Jul 24, 2018 6:02pm Jul 24, 2018 6:02pm
Got this book a couple of weeks ago, first edition.

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  • #9,395
  • Jul 24, 2018 6:07pm Jul 24, 2018 6:07pm
Quoting jnevins
{quote} Thanks for your thoughtful and well considered post, Christophe. Knowledge is priceless. Members of this forum who are contributing their knowledge also have many years of study in trading, mathematics, esoteric subjects, and life itself. Your own knowledge is based on your hard work, yes.... but it is also from standing on the shoulders of teachers that have come before you. No one person is so brilliant that they can crack this mystery independently. In sharing what we know with others, we stand to understand what we know more deeply....

Yes indeed, good post Jnevins.
I understand that the knowledge i have right now also has been discovered by W.D. Gann, so indeed he is my teacher. BUT, the problem with that is Gann has hidden his secrets in his writings in verry difficult ways to understand. It's 'coded' in a language which 99% of the readers never will understand in their lifetime. He did this on purpose because he knew the world wasn't ready for it and because his systems would have been abused by now. This could destroy the markets and the profession of trading. Said by the legendary himself, and it does make sense. And his students ( who paid a fortune ) signed a contract in which it stated they had to keep these methods for themself or there would be verry bad consequences.

So we have to be verry carefull with this knowledge like he was himself, and not sharing it with people who don't deserve it.
Everyone can deserve it offcourse but first they will need to start with the basics and search themself just like gann did.
Once a trader is researching this for months/years he will start to see changes in his trading and in his life.
The trader will start to learn quicker as time goes by and he will start to attract more people in his life with the same knowledge.
This IS the ONLY path every gann researcher has to go through, it is not a 1,2,3 method and just copy and paste.
We can't run before we learn to walk, it's the same principle..

Even if i would explain it here people wouldn't understand it and i would have to write 100's of posts before a newbie would be able to do it.

I know you are a teacher Jnevins, we have send emails long time ago. And respect to you, all teachers are important. I would had loved to have a teacher like you in class with the knowledge of making predictions in financial markets based on astrology. We would have become best friends after school.

I do understand what you are trying to say, but there are really secrets. A secret a nothing more then knowledge which most of the people don't have acces to or don't understand. And you say there is an infinite universe out there, an ocean of possibilities. Which is completely true but in the astro financial trading field this is not 100% true. Like i said earlier in other posts there is an infinite number of cycles and possibilities BUT only a few which are the CAUSE behind the markets.

All the other cycles can sometimes work but are not the cause and will never hit a 90% accuracy.
Problem with all those other cycles is that you will never know when it will work and when not, sometimes it could work 70% and sometimes 20%.

I know what you mean, some traders could become rich with some poor technical analyse, while others a freakin geniuses with amazing technical analyse but can't make a single $ out of the markets. That my friend is called vibration. We all have our own cycles in our lives and we can't cheat or adjust it. We have to follow our path and there is no way arround it. So indeed somebody could become rich of your video, just like somebody could become rich of my timing videos. But hey i am sharing it also for free so we are not so different..
  • #9,396
  • Jul 24, 2018 6:14pm Jul 24, 2018 6:14pm
Quoting Nenuser
Got this book a couple of weeks ago, first edition. {image}
Verry good book Nenuser,

This is good for your basic understanding of astrology but don't go to deep in it.
If your goal is to try and predict financial markets with astrology then i would advice you to read some other books.
You need books written on financial astrology, if you are interested i could make you a list.

Kind regards,

Christophe
  • #9,397
  • Edited 7:19pm Jul 24, 2018 6:20pm | Edited 7:19pm
Quoting Gann1993
{quote} Yes indeed, good post Jnevins. I understand that the knowledge i have right now also has been discovered by W.D. Gann, so indeed he is my teacher. BUT, the problem with that is Gann has hidden his secrets in his writings in verry difficult ways to understand. It's 'coded' in a language which 99% of the readers never will understand in their lifetime. He did this on purpose because he knew the world wasn't ready for it and because his systems would have been abused by now. This could destroy the markets and the profession of trading. Said...
Interesting, I am pretty sure Gann was an occultist.

From occult-mysteries.org (Great website to begin learning) on the secrecy of occult (or hidden) science:

"Why is so much occult knowledge kept secret?

The simple answer is to prevent it being misused.

To enlarge on this, knowledge is power, and power, as we all know, is often misused and abused. If this is true of material power, how much more so must it be true of the hidden knowledge behind such occult arts as hypnotism and sympathetic magic, both of which can do great harm in the wrong hands?

It is for this reason that every occult scientist from Pythagoras to Jesus and Gautama Buddha only gave out to the public what they were permitted to reveal, keeping the real secrets for their chosen disciples. Compare and contrast this wise policy to that of modern scientists, who have no compunction in communicating their knowledge to anyone who wishes to profit from it under the disingenuous 'justification' that science is 'impartial' and therefore not responsible for the uses to which its discoveries are put.

Could there be a more Mephistophelean argument for sending us all to the Devil? Clearly, the price of modern scientific 'secrecy' is measured in cash, kudos and complacency. Were it otherwise, we should all have been spared the horrors of mechanized warfare, the atomic bomb, the development and deployment of biological agents, and invisible electromagnetic weapons with the power to send us all stark, staring mad without ever knowing what hit us.

But there are other, equally good reasons for keeping certain occult knowledge secret. Foremost among them is the confusion that is created in the minds of students when occult truths are partially explained. A part is not the whole, and unless the whole is grasped there is every danger of misunderstanding the relationship the part bears to it. An example of this is the widespread belief in 'Karma' among many mystics, pagans and 'New Age' followers. But 'Karma' as it is generally understood is a melting-pot of indiscriminate speculations and misconceptions which do more harm than good.

Another reason for secrecy is that second-hand knowledge, however sublime and whatever its source, is no substitute for first-hand experience. The greatest spiritual Master who ever lived cannot advance his disciple one step further than the level of consciousness he or she has attained through their own efforts. If every point is explained to the seeker, he does not acquire any merit, and, moreover, he would not be able to understand; no matter how many times his Teachers should patiently unravel the meaning of occult truths by means of words. He who does not know error cannot appreciate Truth."
  • #9,398
  • Jul 24, 2018 6:23pm Jul 24, 2018 6:23pm
Quoting Gann1993
{quote} Yes indeed, good post Jnevins. I understand that the knowledge i have right now also has been discovered by W.D. Gann, so indeed he is my teacher. BUT, the problem with that is Gann has hidden his secrets in his writings in verry difficult ways to understand. It's 'coded' in a language which 99% of the readers never will understand in their lifetime. He did this on purpose because he knew the world wasn't ready for it and because his systems would have been abused by now. This could destroy the markets and the profession of trading. Said...
Can I get another amen?

Information --> Knowledge --> Experience/Action --> Wisdom

Most people won't read Gann's suggested reading list.. of which none of the items have anything to do with trading. Understanding the 7 Hermetic Principles (aka Trivium + Quadrivium) will get people further in life and trading than any "how to".
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  • #9,399
  • Jul 24, 2018 6:24pm Jul 24, 2018 6:24pm
Quoting JR97
{quote} Can I get another amen? Information --> Knowledge --> Experience/Action --> Wisdom Most people won't read Gann's suggested reading list.. of which none of the items have anything to do with trading. Understanding the 7 Hermetic Principles (aka Trivium + Quadrivium) will get people further in life and trading than any "how to". {image}
Check this out, on hermetic philosophy: http://www.occult-mysteries.org/herm...hilosophy.html
  • #9,400
  • Jul 24, 2018 6:26pm Jul 24, 2018 6:26pm
Quoting Gann1993
{quote} Verry good book Nenuser, This is good for your basic understanding of astrology but don't go to deep in it. If your goal is to try and predict financial markets with astrology then i would advice you to read some other books. You need books written on financial astrology, if you are interested i could make you a list. Kind regards, Christophe
Yes, please! Would love to.

I would really like to join both of my interests: financial trading and occult science.

I think that financial astrology joins both of these interests really nicely.
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