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  • #601
  • Jul 15, 2018 7:48pm Jul 15, 2018 7:48pm
Quoting mightymatt
{quote} Hi Roger, Yes there are many strategies and of course as we know as soon as we get one right another pops up or the market just goes and does what it wants to do so there is no golden nugget. Yeah I see a BE + as a nice way to tackle it, grab a little or even or even a small loss then get out, reset and start again and look for the next trade. I know we are not going to cover every scenario either, taming the markets is like herding cats! ha There are the trades that go a little then go to SL and that's just part of strategy, pip lock would...
Copy all your points... will talk to Gene and see what he thinks.
  • #602
  • Jul 16, 2018 3:50am Jul 16, 2018 3:50am
Totally agree with Roger, have seen that so many times.
  • #603
  • Jul 16, 2018 7:03am Jul 16, 2018 7:03am
Quoting GeorgeSteel
Totally agree with Roger, have seen that so many times.
What Roger is saying true, but we also need as many ways as possible to cut the losses within the Automatic trades, some will work well, some may not when dealing with SL there is always trade offs, but I believe we need all the tools that we can get to tackle the market. The Trailing Multi-point TSL feature is available in previous TS's, so we are just asking for it to be available with all TS's, including SupDem. Also remember we are not always expecting every trade to make profit with the Dashboard nor that every day will be a winner, however, we are trying to find ways possible to make the Basket trading as whole profitable, and that will include some days with loss, we just need ways to make that loss smaller.
  • #604
  • Jul 16, 2018 10:25am Jul 16, 2018 10:25am
Last Nights 1 and done AIG_DM_SD_TS results. 6 days and account is up 32.5%. No bad days yet, all winners.

Be sure and take a look at post #597 and sign up for our Starter Package give away.

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  • #605
  • Jul 16, 2018 1:50pm Jul 16, 2018 1:50pm
Quoting seller9
Last Nights 1 and done AIG_DM_SD_TS results. 6 days and account is up 32.5%. No bad days yet, all winners. Be sure and take a look at post #597 and sign up for our Starter Package give away. {image}
Hi Seller,

Nice results ..... Could you please post the set file of the settings?

Thanks, Matt.
  • #606
  • Jul 16, 2018 2:02pm Jul 16, 2018 2:02pm
Quoting mightymatt
{quote} Hi Seller, Nice results ..... Could you please post the set file of the settings? Thanks, Matt.
The DB is doing most of the work as a basket trade and I start 4 hours and 5 minutes after the new day starts.

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  • #607
  • Jul 16, 2018 6:48pm Jul 16, 2018 6:48pm
Here are my first updates for this new week. I have reverted back to taking baskets via EL.

4 Hr SUPDEM - Working on first basket

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Daily SUPDEM - Working on first basket

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  • #608
  • Edited 9:01am Jul 17, 2018 8:10am | Edited 9:01am
My 1st run with SupDem with DS trailing SL at 0.5 ATR went well on Monday, there was no TSL hits:

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second day not so lucky, however, the TSL does seem to reduce the losses a bit though, this run is still going we will see if it can pull back. I will wait the outcome of this Basket to see if I need some setting adjustments:
Update: Most of the SL hits are actually from the SupDem TS built-in Auto SL (HJSL), not from the DS ADR TSL, it appears SupDem has been picking the wrong direction or price quickly reversed in these cases. This indicates to me that 0.5 ADR TSL maybe about right.

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My 1st run with Demark with DS trailing SL at 0.3 ATR had very poor results on Monday very Red, 0.3 is far too small to give the Basket trades space to move, no Screen shot. On Tuesday I went back to no DS TSL and enabled the built-in Multi-Level Trailing Profit instead, much better results. I will continue with these settings:

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My final test Terminal is HM240 with external Hedger EA, Monday did struggle with a big Draw Down (nearly $600) but it did eventually pull through around London start today:

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I restarted the HM240 shortly after the close and obtained a nice quick fire result:

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For the HM240 trial I will now reduce the Lot size to 0.05, to keep the Draw Downs a bit more manageable, also keep the number of open trades up to 8.
  • #609
  • Jul 17, 2018 9:54am Jul 17, 2018 9:54am
Last Nights DM_SD_TS results, 1 basket up 48.5% for 7 days so far, hit 1 basket all 7 days so far.

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Here is last nights test of the pending Combo, it only traded 1 pair.

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  • #610
  • Jul 17, 2018 7:18pm Jul 17, 2018 7:18pm
Quoting JustUncleL
My 1st run with SupDem with DS trailing SL at 0.5 ATR went well on Monday, there was no TSL hits: {image} second day not so lucky, however, the TSL does seem to reduce the losses a bit though, this run is still going we will see if it can pull back. I will wait the outcome of this Basket to see if I need some setting adjustments: Update: Most of the SL hits are actually from the SupDem TS built-in Auto SL (HJSL), not from the DS ADR TSL, it appears SupDem has been picking the wrong direction or price quickly reversed in these cases........

Hi Lawrence,

I got the same on my account however I thought the HJSL was from the Dashboard? All the previous SL hits I have had have been from just TSL .......

I too ran with 0.5 trailing on the Dashboard and go similar results, I have upped that to 0.8 as I had a feeling the HJSL was the DB. I just had a look at the Alert window and when I went back to last week I only see TSL's there and ths HJSL has only shown up this week when I have added the Dashboard Trailing stop. I had a look on one of my other Demos where I didn't add the DB Trailing and they just have TSL SL's in them.

Maybe Gene could clarify?
  • #611
  • Jul 17, 2018 7:24pm Jul 17, 2018 7:24pm
Quoting mightymatt
{quote} Hi Lawrence, I got the same on my account however I thought the HJSL was from the Dashboard? All the previous SL hits I have had have been from just TSL ....... I too ran with 0.5 trailing on the Dashboard and go similar results, I have upped that to 0.8 as I had a feeling the HJSL was the DB. I just had a look at the Alert window and when I went back to last week I only see TSL's there and ths HJSL has only shown up this week when I have added the Dashboard Trailing stop. I had a look on one of my other Demos where I didn't add the DB Trailing...
Yes need a clarification from Gene, I assumed HJSL was coming from the TS, if it's the other way around then my DS ADR TSL is too small. Based on your observations from last weeks results, I will increase my DS TSL as well, thank you for pointing that out.

UPDATE: results with DS ADR TSL set to 0.5, based on mightmatt observations I'm now increasing to 0.8 and closing this Basket down ready for restart. I'm not concerned with recovery options at this stage, just trying to find some optimal settings.

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  • #612
  • Jul 17, 2018 7:48pm Jul 17, 2018 7:48pm
Quoting JustUncleL
{quote} Yes need a clarification from Gene, I assumed HJSL was coming from the TS, if it's the other way around then my DS ADR TSL is too small. Based on your observations from last weeks results, I will increase my DS TSL as well, thank you for pointing that out.
Hi Lawrence,

I will post some screen shots from the accounts later today ...... head down ass up at work at present, well kind of! ha

I have increased mine to .08. The only issue I see with doing it in the DB as that it is a bit broad for each pair. It would be good to have it in the TS so you could maybe just set a trailing distance so as it goes into profit the trail will follow. Its hard as every scenario is different and we can't cover them all.

I quite like the idea of the SL moving to Break Even when your first Add to trade is hit or if you not using add to trade then maybe just a %. That way you can say if the trade goes into profit by say 40,50 or 60% take the SL to break even (talking about the first trade of course) and then maybe trail from there or just have it fixed. That way any trade that goes into profit by the % will be protected from a retrace and at worse you get out with $0 or if you have added to the trade a small loss. The pic I posted before would be a great example of this and I had another yesterday however didn't get a chance to screen shot it before it was re-drawn.

Another way might be a straight trail on the TS. Could simply set Trailing SL to True and then add a pip value. If you say put 10 in the pip value, the SL would start where ever initially calculated including the Auto_SL_Buffer and then would simply trail from there. Once the trade goes 10 pips in profit the trailing would start and and jump 10 pips? If the trade continues and goes 20-30 pips into profit the trail would have moved 20-30 pips up also. This would still keep the initial SL distance in tact giving the trade room to breathe while not messing with the strategy to much.

The Pip lock is ok but from what I gather it doesn't trail with the trade as far as I'm aware, only jumps to the settings?

Hopefully we can all come up with something that works for everyone and doesn't take Gene to long to program ........ although that might be a bit like herding cats! ha

Matt.
  • #613
  • Jul 17, 2018 9:44pm Jul 17, 2018 9:44pm
Quoting mightymatt
{quote} Hi Lawrence, I will post some screen shots from the accounts later today ...... head down ass up at work at present, well kind of! ha I have increased mine to .08. The only issue I see with doing it in the DB as that it is a bit broad for each pair. It would be good to have it in the TS so you could maybe just set a trailing distance so as it goes into profit the trail will follow. Its hard as every scenario is different and we can't cover them all. I quite like the idea of the SL moving to Break Even when your first Add to trade is hit...
I believe if we had the Standard Pip-lock feature that would be sufficient, it can be adapted for sort of BE, Gene already has the code for it as well. Also it does trail the profit after the last step, so it is possible to combine with Auto TP or even do away with the Auto TP and have the Trailing profit instead, this would be especially useful for trades without the Add to option.
  • #614
  • Jul 18, 2018 3:03am Jul 18, 2018 3:03am
Quoting JustUncleL
{quote} I believe if we had the Standard Pip-lock feature that would be sufficient, it can be adapted for sort of BE, Gene already has the code for it as well. Also it does trail the profit after the last step, so it is possible to combine with Auto TP or even do away with the Auto TP and have the Trailing profit instead, this would be especially useful for trades without the Add to option.
Hi Lawrence,

Yes I guess that would work, I was unsure if the pip lock trailed but if it does when basically its already there. I guess it doesn't have to be BE but my thinking around that was if it was then as the Trade Entry to SL differed then so would be jump as % or in this case the pip lock ...... could work well.

Definitely need something to minimise the loss on re-traces as like at present there has been quite a few.

Thanks, Matt.
  • #615
  • Jul 18, 2018 8:51am Jul 18, 2018 8:51am
Last Nights DM_SD_TS results, 1 basket up 62% for 8 days so far, hit 1 basket all 8 days so far.

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Combo 2 days running 24/5

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  • #616
  • Jul 18, 2018 9:05am Jul 18, 2018 9:05am

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  • #617
  • Jul 18, 2018 9:25am Jul 18, 2018 9:25am
Just a quick update: The 4 hr SUP DEM has tanked into some major DD. The Daily has closed one basket for 106 pips and is currently working on the second.

What is hurting and causing the DD is the 2 add on trades.... many get to within a few pips of the TP and then retraces and stops out. With out any further coding or modifications, I need to figure a way to lock in once I am in profit. Hmmmm.... I'll get back to you on that!
  • #618
  • Jul 18, 2018 10:26am Jul 18, 2018 10:26am
Alright... here is a modified 4 HR SUP DEM setup. I'll run this for a few days and if it takes off I'll apply it to the Daily SUPDEM. The setup is as follows: Auto TP - True, Auto Fixed SL - True, Add on - True, add on levels is 40% and 60%. All else is default. Dashboard is set as follows: ADR TP set @ .5, ADR SL set @ .5 yellow for trail, All charets on 4hr, ETP set to $200, and Stop after one. I am looking for a one and done per day. We shall see!

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  • #619
  • Jul 18, 2018 10:27am Jul 18, 2018 10:27am
Quoting Roger7777
Just a quick update: The 4 hr SUP DEM has tanked into some major DD. The Daily has closed one basket for 106 pips and is currently working on the second. What is hurting and causing the DD is the 2 add on trades.... many get to within a few pips of the TP and then retraces and stops out. With out any further coding or modifications, I need to figure a way to lock in once I am in profit. Hmmmm.... I'll get back to you on that!
Same here, Roger. Thats why I'm trying to just get fix amount of $ everyday and get out quick.
P/S: do you guys have the date for combo SD Supdem TS is out yet?
  • #620
  • Jul 18, 2018 10:38am Jul 18, 2018 10:38am
Quoting Roger7777
Alright... here is a modified 4 HR SUP DEM setup. I'll run this for a few days and if it takes off I'll apply it to the Daily SUPDEM. The setup is as follows: Auto TP - True, Auto Fixed SL - True, Add on - True, add on levels is 40% and 60%. All else is default. Dashboard is set as follows: ADR TP set @ .5, ADR SL set @ .5 yellow for trail, All charets on 4hr, ETP set to $200, and Stop after one. I am looking for a one and done per day. We shall see! {image}
Me and mightymatt found the 0.5 ADR TSL too small and have increased it to 0.8, which seems to be better. I have not tried a ADR TP, that may help to farm some pips, might try it myself. The better solution is a code change as requested in mightmatt and my previous posts, I hope Gene is listening.
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