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  • #1,141
  • Jul 8, 2018 11:53am Jul 8, 2018 11:53am
Quoting mavilakandy
PP2.1 Tapout - UJ, UC, UC (No trades)

As a refresher on this...PP2.1 requires the user take the first manual trade and is defaulted to trade on an M15 chart...it only engages once you've primed with the first trade.

Quoting mavilakandy
But, is there any reason to have a different result if we run a live account ?
Please let us have your experience. Thanks,
Based on personal experience...

Demo and Live will not produce the exact same results.

Candle close is called into effect and even the most minute differences will trigger some on one while sitting out on another.

In addition, there are gaps created on Demo Charts due to latency and defect...have personally watched up to a 10 pip difference from demo to live charts running in sync...

That being said, it is impossible to say which way the balance shifts...will profit favor Demo or Live...and to what extent?
Miniscule for what I've seen...but would also appreciate others adding in their experiences.



Great Questions, Dude!
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  • #1,142
  • Jul 8, 2018 12:48pm Jul 8, 2018 12:48pm
Hi Magix!

Can you please explain the function of profit set by the expert hybrid all in.
Minimal profit close - means the number of pips??
Static profit - ??

Thanks for your explanations!!!
  • #1,143
  • Jul 8, 2018 1:56pm Jul 8, 2018 1:56pm
Quoting Magix
{quote} Coded and added in an early exit for trend reversal to tapout at any profit>=0... Launching it on Pivot Pro 2.1 Test Account from my TE on 21 pairs - With Increment! Should be interesting...
Good luck! I'm loving origins full auto pivot pro, so very eager to see how updated version goes! Will post results shortly.
  • #1,144
  • Jul 8, 2018 9:38pm Jul 8, 2018 9:38pm
[quote=Magix;11240285]{quote} As a refresher on this...PP2.1 requires the user take the first manual trade and is defaulted to trade on an M15 chart...it only engages once you've primed with the first trade.

Magix, thanks for the clarification.
Yes, I did not take first manual trade in PP2.1
So, that is the reason for no-trades.
  • #1,145
  • Jul 8, 2018 9:59pm Jul 8, 2018 9:59pm
Quoting Magix
{quote} As a refresher on this...PP2.1 requires the user take the first manual trade and is defaulted to trade on an M15 chart...it only engages once you've primed with the first trade. {quote} Based on personal experience... Demo and Live will not produce the exact same results. Candle close is called into effect and even the most minute differences will trigger some on one while sitting out on another. In addition, there are gaps created on Demo Charts due to latency and defect...have personally watched up to a 10 pip difference from demo to...
Magix, thanks for sharing your experiences.
Let us hear more experiences from other traders in this forum.

For the sake of testing the above mentioned issues, we will have to:
open a live-account and a demo-account with a small amount, say $500; with same currency pair, EA, broker, leverage and start running both accounts same time.
  • #1,146
  • Jul 9, 2018 1:00am Jul 9, 2018 1:00am
Ea's have a way to large exposure to the gbp and eur.

Also do not forget that under the new upcoming ESMA rules the margin stop-out will be at 50%.

If you would have starteg on a fresh $500 account you would have stopped-out already.
On a $1000 account you would have just $101 margin left so you have to stop trading on all other pairs.

O wait, a $1000 would also have blown, $403 in loss and about $450 used margin.
I can calculate the movement of stars, but not the madness of men. Isaac N.
  • #1,147
  • Jul 9, 2018 1:42am Jul 9, 2018 1:42am
Quoting FxMadness
Ea's have a way to large exposure to the gbp and eur. Also do not forget that under the new upcoming ESMA rules the margin stop-out will be at 50%. If you would have starteg on a fresh $500 account you would have stopped-out already. On a $1000 account you would have just $101 margin left so you have to stop trading on all other pairs. O wait, a $1000 would also have blown, $403 in loss and about $450 used margin.
Hello FxMadness,
Thanks for pointing out the issues of new ESMA rules.
Do you know the effective date of new ESMA rule, and is it applicable to the brokers who have registered in the countries like Cyprus or Dominic Islands ?
My $300 live account with TradersWay is running without any problem.
  • #1,148
  • Jul 9, 2018 2:18am Jul 9, 2018 2:18am
Quoting mavilakandy
{quote} Hello FxMadness, Thanks for pointing out the issues of new ESMA rules. Do you know the effective date of new ESMA rule, and is it applicable to the brokers who have registered in the countries like Cyprus or Dominic Islands ? My $300 live account with TradersWay is running without any problem.
EU regulated brokers August 1 2018, for fi. Trading Point of Financial Instruments UK Ltd (XM UK).

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Also (Google translated)

To comply with ESMA's prohibition on all trade benefits (such as the bonuses and XM points currently offered by XM UK), consider the following: Any remaining bonuses (i.e. credit) on your trading account (s) will be permanently removed on 1 August 2018 and deposits on your account (s) from July 16, 2018 will not include a bonus. This means that any remaining bonuses earned on your account (s) until 15 July 2018 will be available until 31 July 2018. Any non-redeemed XM points will be permanently removed from your trading account (s) on 16 July 2018 and trading activities from 16 July 2018 will not contain any XM points. This means that you can still redeem any remaining XM points on your account (s) up to and including 15 July 2018.
I can calculate the movement of stars, but not the madness of men. Isaac N.
  • #1,149
  • Jul 9, 2018 2:39am Jul 9, 2018 2:39am
Btw. the only thing i think is going to happen with these leverages and smaller traders who try to make an additional or monthly income from trading is that they will have to stop or invest (probably by lending or even worse credit card use) to be able to trade larger lots in order to make up for the smaller leverage and the higher stop-out.

I do really not see any protection at all in these rules.
I can calculate the movement of stars, but not the madness of men. Isaac N.
  • #1,150
  • Jul 9, 2018 5:03am Jul 9, 2018 5:03am
I was under the impression that ASIC regulated brokers such as ICMarkets were unaffected by the new ESMA rules coming in shortly so they will still be offereing 1:500 leverage. I stand to be corrected though if tis is not the case..
"All good things to those who wait"
  • #1,151
  • Jul 9, 2018 5:36am Jul 9, 2018 5:36am
Quoting Carlos1
I was under the impression that ASIC regulated brokers such as ICMarkets were unaffected by the new ESMA rules coming in shortly so they will still be offereing 1:500 leverage. I stand to be corrected though if tis is not the case..
That is correct.
It is only for EU regulated brokers.

"These guidelines also apply to the UK until it leaves the EU. "

So let's hope for a not to soft Brexit.
I can calculate the movement of stars, but not the madness of men. Isaac N.
  • #1,152
  • Jul 9, 2018 10:00am Jul 9, 2018 10:00am
Quoting FxMadness
{quote} Looking at your balance/equity chart i do not think that the max equity drop of 10% is correct. Or maybe the chart is not correct.
Yes, but the chart is correct... Indeed on Tuesdays on GJ (it kept the DD around 750pip ~ $70) I watched closely to see how EA could recover. And yes, it slowly closed some orders and eventually it was done, all transactions were recovered very impressively.

My demo account has expired so I can not load for TE right now. I may go-live next week with a small account and let it plays.
  • #1,153
  • Jul 9, 2018 10:39am Jul 9, 2018 10:39am
Well...having mentioned my least 2 favorite pairs being GBPAUD and EURAUD, they lived up true to form overnight...

lol

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Tapout was in some trades carried over from close last week and ended up tapping out a sizeable loss on the day...which sucks...but!!

Worth noting:
1. If the account was a fresh start, EURAUD and GBPAUD wouldn't have actually entered into trades.
2. If I would have kept the SAME MACD Level until these closed - as they were period start from a different logic, the loss would be less than half of what it came up to be.
3. The account - $2k start, didn't margin out of anything...so even with a bad start, the chances of total catastrophe are minimized...

The original Hybrid, is caught in a death spiral where the same $2k account, would not have held and is only due to the fact that it's had a fantastic few weeks prior that really is keeping this bitch afloat...for now...

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A test to see if the Tapout or additional Margin is the way to go is upon us!

From a personal standpoint...

I'd rather wake up to a $600+ loss than to a $1100 in the shitter and be in total fucking panic mode.

:|
Money Can't Buy Happiness. Poverty Can't Buy SHIT! You Choose!
  • #1,154
  • Jul 9, 2018 10:48am Jul 9, 2018 10:48am
Quoting sweety78901
Hi Magix! Can you please explain the function of profit set by the expert hybrid all in. Minimal profit close - means the number of pips?? Static profit - ?? Thanks for your explanations!!!

Kinda...



This was covered and even after I finish going over it again, don't feel bad if you don't completely understand...

First off, for Hybrid, even though there is one listed as "Static" profit, it's 'Static State' is to the indicator, meaning that it is actually 'Dynamic'. Minimum profit close on this is only taken into consideration by the oscillation of the MACD and it's distance above or below the Zero line, for closing Longs and Shorts respectively.

Meaning...if you set a 25 MACD_LEVEL_Points distance for Hybrid and Hybrid has open Longs, Profit must meet the Static Profit requirements AAAAAAAAAAAND the reading for you MACD must be above 25 points.

Profiting for All logic is that the SUM of trades (including the Worst Trade and Best Trades - But not Exclusive to All Trades) must be greater than the minimal profit for exit and there is a Separate logic that dictates when profit will get taken.

Single Trade Closes will close below the minimal profit because they are not looking to Cost Average out or Summ Greater than minimum requirements.

In Stochs 2, there are 3 separate logics that function like the previous 2 stated, similar closing logic, but have an actual 'STATIC' close that will look to close when the sum of best and absolute worst trade are above the Static Close Profit as defined by what you set in the inputs.
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  • #1,155
  • Jul 9, 2018 10:55am Jul 9, 2018 10:55am
EURAUD is misbehaving badly today. I did my analysis last night, and it was supposed to go long, but has been going south since.

I've added some positions on the way down, but this SOB is not listening lol, so I'm also holding on some draw.

AUD has been unexpectedly strong since market open going against what I had thought. bugger..
Truth is like poetry. And most people f*cking hate poetry.
  • #1,156
  • Jul 9, 2018 11:09am Jul 9, 2018 11:09am
Quoting mrdfx
EURAUD is misbehaving badly today. I did my analysis last night, and it was supposed to go long, but has been going south since. I've added some positions on the way down, but this SOB is not listening lol, so I'm also holding on some draw. AUD has been unexpectedly strong since market open going against what I had thought. bugger..

I thought EURAUD misbehaved on Friday.

My market analysis said short and though it did drop after NFP, it still seemed to not be falling fast and hard enough.

Because of the little whipsaw on this, there were a couple of my test accounts that took long signal only for that fucker to fall off the pages.

And Now...

Just what in the name of fuck is going on with GBP??

I have a few trades that are swimming with the fishes...
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  • #1,157
  • Jul 9, 2018 11:15am Jul 9, 2018 11:15am
All things taken into consideration...

The full-auto PP2 version I am running, ain't doing that terrible...
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A couple of the GBP pairs looking a little gross, but overall and in comparison to the M1 versions...meh...ain't so bad.

The logic filtering for PP Auto is what was incorporated into the Hybrid Tapout...much the reason that there are no trades underwater for GBPAUD nor EURAUD.

Give that it is trading 21 pairs, a few profit takes on the day and only holding a few in loss, shows that the current move (with exception of GBPJPY and GBPUSD) are just simply extensions of market without an effective enough of retrace for triggering.

Can hardly wait to see how this one makes out or if it even survives the week...
Money Can't Buy Happiness. Poverty Can't Buy SHIT! You Choose!
  • #1,158
  • Jul 9, 2018 11:18am Jul 9, 2018 11:18am
Quoting Magix
{quote} I thought EURAUD misbehaved on Friday. My market analysis said short and though it did drop after NFP, it still seemed to not be falling fast and hard enough. Because of the little whipsaw on this, there were a couple of my test accounts that took long signal only for that fucker to fall off the pages. And Now... Just what in the name of fuck is going on with GBP?? I have a few trades that are swimming with the fishes...
Yeah GBP is also all over the place today, I think due to Brexit events. GU moved down over 150 pips in less than 2 hrs lol..

Luckily I'm not caught in GBP, and my breakout EA actually made profit on that move haha.

EA is the SOB today, and as you can see I'm still holding on.
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Truth is like poetry. And most people f*cking hate poetry.
  • #1,159
  • Jul 9, 2018 11:35am Jul 9, 2018 11:35am
Quoting Magix
All things taken into consideration... The full-auto PP2 version I am running, ain't doing that terrible... {image} A couple of the GBP pairs looking a little gross, but overall and in comparison to the M1 versions...meh...ain't so bad. The logic filtering for PP Auto is what was incorporated into the Hybrid Tapout...much the reason that there are no trades underwater for GBPAUD nor EURAUD. Give that it is trading 21 pairs, a few profit takes on the day and only holding a few in loss, shows that the current move (with exception of GBPJPY and GBPUSD)...
Full Auto pp2?
is this the one on post 1?
  • #1,160
  • Jul 9, 2018 11:53am Jul 9, 2018 11:53am
Quoting mrdfx
{quote} Yeah GBP is also all over the place today, I think due to Brexit events. GU moved down over 150 pips in less than 2 hrs lol.. Luckily I'm not caught in GBP, and my breakout EA actually made profit on that move haha. EA is the SOB today, and as you can see I'm still holding on. {image}
Do not think that using fixed lot and not sum lot or martingale will ever work because you will not benefit from the (maybe) small retracements and
close out positions in profit to minimize overall loss.
I can calculate the movement of stars, but not the madness of men. Isaac N.
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