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  • #6,221
  • May 11, 2018 7:41am May 11, 2018 7:41am
Before and after EG
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  • #6,222
  • May 11, 2018 8:39am May 11, 2018 8:39am
Quoting Akt
{quote} Hello jmtini Welcome to T.I.O.F The Roundtable is far from being a secret as we have spoken about it in previous webinar meetups with T.I.O.F readers and contributors who have attended those meetings. It is the private mentoring service i have for traders who come into mentoring with me. We meet up every sunday night premarket to go over ideas and themes for the week ahead. Just a group of friends from all over the world sharing ideas and going deeper into the various aspects of speculating and trading. As the saying goes, "iron...
OK thanks so much for clearing that up

Best wishes
  • #6,223
  • May 11, 2018 11:17am May 11, 2018 11:17am
Quoting Akt
{quote} Hello Diddyy Welcome to T.I.O.F Good to have you join the conversation. With regards to finding supply zones, as has been discussed in several of the videos, webinars and posts on the thread, always start from current price, looking up and left for supply and down and left for demand, regardless of how far back you have to go. You want the nearest quality-defined demand and supply zones because for price to get to any other levels it has to go through the nearest one first. That immediately implies the trader must continue to update their...

Thanks for the reply AKT, much appreciated..
  • #6,224
  • May 11, 2018 12:52pm May 11, 2018 12:52pm
Quoting Akt
Hello everyone Some short term income trading with the guys The GBPNZD...before and after, with the first batch taken off. The rest of the trade is in management mode best wishes{image}{image}
Thanks Michael.

Often times I have come across this phrase "trade is now in management mode". My question is regarding that.

There are a few aspects of a trade once you have decided to pull the trigger on a pair.
a) Entry
b) SL & Exit (In my case determined by 3:1 RR at a minimum.

HOWEVER , that exit may be 150 pips away. And while the promise is there, there are no guarantees.

So how do you manage your trade ?
Do you use multiple lots / entries and keep closing at specific intervals (pips) till the RR is achieved OR use a trailing stop OR use a trade management EA for an automated trade management ?
Regardless, I cannot hope for one trade to achieve the full 3:1 RR objective single handed.

It will be good to get some perspective here.
Live life king size !
  • #6,225
  • May 12, 2018 11:04pm May 12, 2018 11:04pm
Hey quick question AKT,

what do you think of this definition of a trend? pros? cons?

1. 2 demand zones removed OR
2. I demand zone removed + the ability to draw a downtrend line
  • #6,226
  • May 13, 2018 12:05am May 13, 2018 12:05am
Opportunity for next week:

What do you guys think?
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  • #6,227
  • May 13, 2018 10:30am May 13, 2018 10:30am
My thoughts On AUD/USD ... Please Correct me where am wrong. I just did my analysis
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  • #6,228
  • May 13, 2018 10:36am May 13, 2018 10:36am
Quoting foxtrader16
{quote} Thanks Michael. Often times I have come across this phrase "trade is now in management mode". My question is regarding that. There are a few aspects of a trade once you have decided to pull the trigger on a pair. a) Entry b) SL & Exit (In my case determined by 3:1 RR at a minimum. HOWEVER , that exit may be 150 pips away. And while the promise is there, there are no guarantees. So how do you manage your trade ? Do you use multiple lots / entries and keep closing at specific intervals (pips) till the RR is achieved OR use a trailing stop...
Hello foxtrader16.
A most interesting question.
One that could be an entire treatise on its on.

The aspect of trading that is very often overlooked is trade management. We are all very concerned about where to get in rather than where to get out, either for a profit or for a loss.

Managing the trade is the most individualistic part of trading because it is the activity that most closely reveals the true internal environment of the trader.

Let us take for example, a trader who takes a trade and sets a 3:1 profit target. The trade starts to go the way of the trader. However, let us say he is coming off the back of a 3 or 4 trade losing streak. You and i know that most traders will manage the current trade based on their most recent market experiences. Its a type of recency bias.

Take a second trader who is on he back of 3 straight wins. He/she may have entered a euphoric phase and even decided not to set a stop because this trade "can't lose". Lets say the trader does set a stop. He/she however is likely to extend their targets way beyond their usual limits because they have been successful most recently.

So really for the case of trade management, it is a case of knowing one's self. Does moving your stop to breakeven work for you and calm your nerves? or do you dislike moving to breakeven, watch the market come back, take you out and then go your way? Which scenario is more agonizing?

Notice, i did not recommend any particular trade management style.
Why? because, that would imply i know the person, their psychological and personality strengths, and weaknesses.

Speaking for myself, i have quite a few different approaches, depending on my goal for the trade.
I do often break up my positions and scale out. Sometimes i don't.
It all depends on my psychological state at the time.
The most important aspect is that i am mindful of that, always.

I know this may not be the answer you were looking for but i hope you see the lesson i am trying to convey.

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #6,229
  • May 13, 2018 10:43am May 13, 2018 10:43am
Quoting bhopris0
Hey quick question AKT, what do you think of this definition of a trend? pros? cons? 1. 2 demand zones removed OR 2. I demand zone removed + the ability to draw a downtrend line
Hello bhopris0

That is the definition i use. It is one of the definitions espoused within the methodology, that and the classic Dow theory of identifying trends ie HHs & HLs for uptrend and LHs & LLs for downtrends.

Pro: it will help you identify trend changes quicker than most other methods
Con: it can at times miss out the concept of trend phases within the market ie uptrends to consolidation to downtrend and vice versa. As such it may get you in too early.

It is an excellent way of identifying when a change is afoot, whether a temporary or longer term change.

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #6,230
  • May 13, 2018 10:47am May 13, 2018 10:47am
Quoting bhopris0
Opportunity for next week: What do you guys think? {image} {image} {image}
Hello bhopris0
Thank you for sharing your trade idea on the USDCAD.

If i may, on the daily chart, some of my thoughts on the zones i am watching

best wishes
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  • #6,231
  • May 13, 2018 11:00am May 13, 2018 11:00am
Quoting nkomo78
My thoughts On AUD/USD ... Please Correct me where am wrong. I just did my analysis {image} {image}
Hello nkomo78.
Thank you for sharing your chart on the AUDUSD.

Here are some of my thoughts..

best wishes
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  • #6,232
  • May 13, 2018 6:08pm May 13, 2018 6:08pm
Quoting Akt
{quote} Hello foxtrader16. A most interesting question. One that could be an entire treatise on its on. The aspect of trading that is very often overlooked is trade management. We are all very concerned about where to get in rather than where to get out, either for a profit or for a loss. Managing the trade is the most individualistic part of trading because it is the activity that most closely reveals the true internal environment of the trader. Let us take for example, a trader who takes a trade and sets a 3:1 profit target. The trade starts to...
Thank you so much.
Essentially trade management may vary depending on my goal, mindset and even my confidence in the trade.
Live life king size !
  • #6,233
  • May 13, 2018 6:21pm May 13, 2018 6:21pm
Quoting Akt
{quote} Hello bhopris0 Thank you for sharing your trade idea on the USDCAD. If i may, on the daily chart, some of my thoughts on the zones i am watching best wishes{image}

Thanks Akt! Really appreciate it.
  • #6,234
  • May 14, 2018 12:30am May 14, 2018 12:30am
Quoting foxtrader16
{quote} Thank you so much. Essentially trade management may vary depending on my goal, mindset and even my confidence in the trade.
Hello foxtrader16

Bingo!
Better than being boxed in with a one size fits all approach.

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #6,235
  • May 14, 2018 4:25am May 14, 2018 4:25am
Hello,

its been awhile so here is my outlook on AUDNZD.

comments are welcomed

Weekly
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"Fall in love with the process and the results will follow" - Bradley Whitf
  • #6,236
  • May 14, 2018 4:40am May 14, 2018 4:40am
Quoting Akt
{quote} Hello nkomo78. Thank you for sharing your chart on the AUDUSD. Here are some of my thoughts.. best wishes{image}
Thank you Akt... I was not aware of that Daily supply zone that was rewoved
  • #6,237
  • May 15, 2018 3:44pm May 15, 2018 3:44pm
Hello everyone

A trade we took on the EURGBP, before and after

best wishes
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  • #6,238
  • May 15, 2018 11:20pm May 15, 2018 11:20pm
Hey akt, how do you tell the different between a liquidity search and a zone?
  • #6,239
  • May 16, 2018 12:31pm May 16, 2018 12:31pm
Quoting bhopris0
Hey akt, how do you tell the different between a liquidity search and a zone?
Hello bhopris0

One is a long wick with little order flow and the other is a base with observable order flow at the level.

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #6,240
  • May 16, 2018 3:23pm May 16, 2018 3:23pm
Hello AKT,

I'm new to this thread and was hoping I could get some newbie direction to have a better understanding of all this great analysis?? Thank you in advance!!
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