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  • #5,981
  • Mar 28, 2018 8:21am Mar 28, 2018 8:21am
Quoting Vishy
Dear sir, Firstly, my sincere gratitude to you for sharing so much valuable knowledge. I am reading through the forum posts and I'm improving a lot! My plan is to go through all the pages in this thread, looking for new insights and clues to add to my learning notes. Then begin manual backtesting/practice of these approaches. I have a question: Suppose I have a SD level on level (LOL). And these levels are relatively close. For example, I've taken the latest picture you've shown. If you were to play for an entry at the 1st level (yellow highlight),...
Hello Vishy
Welcome to T.I.O.F
Good to have you join us.

Whilst the question you ask can get quite detailed to answer, i will simplify as much as i can by saying that i personally prefer for my entry price to be as close as i can get it, to my stop price. Now, that is a personal preference which means i am willing to pass of some trades if they do not come to my entry price.

In this case, some supply and demand traders i know will take both zones. Others may handle things differently and wait t see. Others also may ignore the top or bottom level and only trade the one level. All personal preference.

As some of the Roundtable members know, there are a few different strategies that can be applied in these scenarios and other like it.

I hope this helps

Welcome again

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #5,982
  • Mar 28, 2018 8:24am Mar 28, 2018 8:24am
Quoting Brandon752
Hello Michael and traders! I have a question about when the higher time frame chart is in consolidation, See charts for question. Thank you ! {image} {image}
Hello Brandon752

In the case shown on your charts, again, depending on your personal trading style, nothing stops one doing both.
In this scenario there is really no reason why one can't set and forget those levels since the daily chart is in consolidation.
Taking a confirmation entry at the levels is always an option so a more conservative trader would do that.

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #5,983
  • Mar 28, 2018 8:26am Mar 28, 2018 8:26am
Quoting bhopris0
Hey traders, I'd like to share a trade i just closed out today. 1. Weekly supply in control 2.Daily supply formed in daily momentum 3.Strong 4h supply nested in HTF supply {image} {image} {image}
Hello bhopris0

Thank you for sharing this trade, we had it planned out as well in last sunday's roundtable meeting.
Its always nice when a plan works out.

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #5,984
  • Mar 28, 2018 12:37pm Mar 28, 2018 12:37pm
Hey guys. Sorry if this quiestion was asked many times here, I just could not find the answer. How do you identify a trend ( not momentum)? I watched video about trendlines. And Akt said that you use trendlines just to measure momentum. But what about trend? And one more question, how can momentum lines help us? How do you use them ?
  • #5,985
  • Mar 28, 2018 2:56pm Mar 28, 2018 2:56pm
Quoting Akt
{quote} Hello Brandon752 In the case shown on your charts, again, depending on your personal trading style, nothing stops one doing both. In this scenario there is really no reason why one can't set and forget those levels since the daily chart is in consolidation. Taking a confirmation entry at the levels is always an option so a more conservative trader would do that. best wishes

Thank you Michael I could not have asked for a better answer !!
  • #5,986
  • Mar 29, 2018 11:21pm Mar 29, 2018 11:21pm
Hello everyone.

I wish you all a happy easter.
It's the end of the quarter so time to reflect and strategise before we go again.

A trade idea on Cree, a U.S based stock. One for the road.

See you all for the webinar tomorrow, Saturday 31st March, 8.30pm UK time

best wishes
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  • #5,987
  • Mar 30, 2018 12:34pm Mar 30, 2018 12:34pm
Quoting Akt
Hello everyone. I wish you all a happy easter. It's the end of the quarter so time to reflect and strategise before we go again. A trade idea on Cree, a U.S based stock. One for the road. See you all for the webinar tomorrow, Saturday 31st March, 8.30pm UK time best wishes{image}
I would like to attend to the webinar please add me [email protected] .Thank you !
You attract what you think in any area of life, relationships and trading!
  • #5,988
  • Mar 30, 2018 12:41pm Mar 30, 2018 12:41pm
hello everyone,

comments are welcomed.

Sequence is W-D-4hr

Weekly
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Daily is nested in weekly demand

4hr confirmation trade - waiting for at least momentum line break and a supply zone removed
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"Fall in love with the process and the results will follow" - Bradley Whitf
  • #5,989
  • Mar 30, 2018 1:58pm Mar 30, 2018 1:58pm
here another chart setup regarding "confirmation trade"

@AKT and other seniors, comments are welcomed

Weekly
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4hr
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  • #5,990
  • Mar 30, 2018 3:49pm Mar 30, 2018 3:49pm
Hello every one, I'm finally read all 300 pages and watch all the videos, so now I can try to post some analysis from myself, don't go hard on me, im new to trading :^)

And thank you Akt for this thread, I'm lucky one to found this information on very beginning of my trading career
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  • #5,991
  • Mar 30, 2018 6:24pm Mar 30, 2018 6:24pm
Quoting T4i
Hello everyone, comments are welcomed. The sequence is W-D-4hr Weekly {image} Daily is nested in weekly demand 4hr confirmation trade - waiting for at least momentum line break and a supply zone removed {image}
I think that the quality of this zone is weak.

Let's see where this goes.

Happy Easter!
Live life king size !
  • #5,992
  • Mar 31, 2018 12:57am Mar 31, 2018 12:57am
Quoting foxtrader16
{quote} I think that the quality of this zone is weak. Let's see where this goes. Happy Easter!
thanks for your reply.
yep we will see

Happy Easter to you too
"Fall in love with the process and the results will follow" - Bradley Whitf
  • #5,993
  • Mar 31, 2018 12:59am Mar 31, 2018 12:59am
@Akt

regarding the webinar tonight. will there be a recording? I am not sure if I can make it because here where I am at is a different time zone than in Germany.
"Fall in love with the process and the results will follow" - Bradley Whitf
  • #5,994
  • Mar 31, 2018 7:09am Mar 31, 2018 7:09am
Quoting T4i
here another chart setup regarding "confirmation trade" @AKT and other seniors, comments are welcomed Weekly {image} 4hr {image}
Hello T4i

Thank you for sharing your thoughts on GBPNZD

I have some on the weekly as well. The 4hr short trade is possible but is not in this situation, as high a probability as the long trade.

best wishes
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  • #5,995
  • Mar 31, 2018 7:09am Mar 31, 2018 7:09am
Quoting T4i
@Akt regarding the webinar tonight. will there be a recording? I am not sure if I can make it because here where I am at is a different time zone than in Germany.
Hello T4i

Yes there will be a recording that will be sent out to attendees

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #5,996
  • Apr 1, 2018 6:17am Apr 1, 2018 6:17am
Hi Michel 86
I would very much appreciate if u send me the link to your videos. I heared u have a great and simple videos and I thought to have a look at them .
  • #5,997
  • Apr 1, 2018 1:51pm Apr 1, 2018 1:51pm
Quoting ossamarahman
Hi Michel 86 I would very much appreciate if u send me the link to your videos. I heared u have a great and simple videos and I thought to have a look at them .
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBf...ZS7J4oOx3hHl3g
enjoy :^)
  • #5,998
  • Apr 1, 2018 8:59pm Apr 1, 2018 8:59pm
Hi,
Could I please get some feedback on my analysis here? I'm backtesting this strategy on USDJPY on the Daily, 4hr, 1hr timeframe combo, from around Jan 2017.
I would like to know if I'm drawing these levels correctly and if I've missed any key levels.
On the H1, I missed the pullback short trade because I wasn't sure if the pin candles made it a good supply zone. But in retrospect, given the downtrend in all timeframes and the fact that this was in a flip zone as well, I think it was an obvious trade. Do you agree?
Also, do you usually take some profits near flip zones, or trail a stop loss as you come near it? As you can see on the H1 chart, I got stopped out of a H1 and H4 demand zone trade at the flip zone.

NB: In my zones labelling, blue lines are proximal lines, purple lines are distal lines.

Thanks a lot!
Vishy
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  • #5,999
  • Apr 2, 2018 5:51am Apr 2, 2018 5:51am
USD JPY Hii ,Please Correct me If I am Wrong ... these are my thoughts about usdjpy...Price Is About to reverse
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  • #6,000
  • Apr 2, 2018 7:16am Apr 2, 2018 7:16am
Good evening all,

I want to share another failed backtest trade if I may. I think I have some misunderstandings so want to seek some clarity from more knowledgeable players. This is from USDJPY backtesting from ~ Jan 2017 on the Weekly, Daily, H4 and H1 timeframes.

 

  1. I assessed the weekly to be in an uptrend (Is there a better trendline we can draw in such steep trend situations?).
  2. In retrospect, the daily demand zone was broken so I don't think I should have taken a counter-trend trade there anyway. Do you agree?
  3. The H4 was also in a downtrend, but the demand zone looked really great.
  4. The H1 was in a downtrend too, but I still took the countertrend trade (without confirmation too, which was probably another mistake).

I was enticed by the strong H1 demand zones nested within the H4 demand zones.

General question: How would one determine "confirmation", when taking confirmation entries in a counter-trend trade? I understand this may not even matter in this case because the area where I took the long trade was not in a daily downtrend.

Specific question: Was my reason to avoid taking longs in the yellow zones due to weak compressed demand (blue box) in the impulse valid?

As you can see in my example here, the price was in a H1 (quality) demand zone that was nested within a H4 (quality) demand zone, but both the H1 and H4 timeframes were in a downtrend.

Which brings me to this general question: Suppose price is in a good quality supply/demand zone in the entry timeframe, and this zone is nested within higher timeframe supply/demand zone. But the trend on this entry timeframe is in the opposite direction of the trade one would take in the supply/demand zone. In such cases, to take the trade, is it sufficient for the supply/demand zone on the entry timeframe to be nested within a higher timeframe zone? Or is it also necessary for the higher timeframe trend to agree with the trade direction?

Thanks a lot, I really appreciate it. And I'm very keen to learn
Vishy

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