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  • #181
  • Mar 26, 2018 1:29pm Mar 26, 2018 1:29pm
Quoting PianoPlayer
As we all know cycles all around us, if we open wikipedia we could see that there are: time and calendar cycles, planetary cycles, organic cycles, physics cycles, miscellaneous cycles…. And of course we also have trading cycles. All this cycles are not the same, they have different duration and different amplitude. They have their beginning, maximum, minimum and end. Each cycle could have its subcycles. If we go back to torus, it has its own cycle and subcycles. The questions are: - How are cycles connected with subcycles, is there any universal...
What do you exactly mean by cycles?
Gann also talked about cycles. His cycles are nothing else than the principle of vibration, one of the seven hermetic principles.

btw. You can start your own thread
  • #182
  • Mar 27, 2018 10:27am Mar 27, 2018 10:27am
Quoting MetBo
{quote} What do you exactly mean by cycles? Gann also talked about cycles. His cycles are nothing else than the principle of vibration, one of the seven hermetic principles. btw. You can start your own thread
As a musician i would say that the cycle is a collection of pitches by starting with a certain note and going up by a certain interval until the original note is reached.

Or if i again borrow one of CP`s post the start of the cycle is when Gazelle and Cheetah start running and the end of the cycle is when Gazelle is catched.

They start at point zero, they move and end in point zero.

https://www.forexfactory.com/printth...&pp=15&page=14
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  • #183
  • Mar 27, 2018 12:30pm Mar 27, 2018 12:30pm
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  • #184
  • Mar 27, 2018 1:27pm Mar 27, 2018 1:27pm
Quoting PianoPlayer
{quote} As a musician i would say that the cycle is a collection of pitches by starting with a certain note and going up by a certain interval until the original note is reached. Or if i again borrow one of CP`s post the start of the cycle is when Gazelle and Cheetah start running and the end of the cycle is when Gazelle is catched. They start at point zero, they move and end in point zero. https://www.forexfactory.com/printth...&pp=15&page=14
Ok thanks. Zero point could be the open as line in the sand. The Gazelle and cheetah could be the tick, the only truth. A cycle ends when a period ends.
  • #185
  • Mar 27, 2018 1:44pm Mar 27, 2018 1:44pm
Quoting MetBo
{quote} Ok thanks. Zero point could be the open as line in the sand. The Gazelle and cheetah could be the tick, the only truth. A cycle ends when a period ends.
MetBo, you must observe cycle in relation to subcycles. You must observe if cycle is in harmony with subcycles.
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  • #186
  • Mar 27, 2018 2:02pm Mar 27, 2018 2:02pm
Quoting PianoPlayer
{quote} MetBo, you must observe cycle in relation to subcycles. You must observe if cycle is in harmony with subcycles.
Which one is more important? The cycle or the subcycle? What happens when they are not in harmony?
  • #187
  • Mar 27, 2018 2:13pm Mar 27, 2018 2:13pm
Quoting PianoPlayer
{quote} MetBo, you must observe cycle in relation to subcycles. You must observe if cycle is in harmony with subcycles.
Cool. A Walter Russell fan. I've been doing cycle/subcycles/gann/blah blah blah for quite a long time. I think I've even figured out how to plot the 4d torus into a 2d price chart. Also the "zero point" you talk about. Sort of the inverse of the collapsed wave to particle theory. I won't dilute this thread, but you can see some of my stuff here:

https://www.forexfactory.com/showthr...2#post10912002

Go back to about 2012 whenever I was posting regularly about the stuff. Now days I keep most of my esoteric stuff private but do show a few things with the nadex trades I do.
  • #188
  • Mar 27, 2018 3:01pm Mar 27, 2018 3:01pm
JR97 THX for link, yes Russel, Schauberger... I will definately read your thread.

Have you ever think about forex market as spiral movement with two forms of motion?

1. Outwardly expanding (used by Nature to encourage breakdown and decomposition) and
2. Inwardly spiraling (used to build up, to create, and to energize).

Vortices manage energy—gathering and dispersing it—keeping the entire universe organized and alive. A vortex is the epitome of Nature’s use of opposites in the maintenance of balance. In fact, vortical movement is a perfect example of balance through polarity. It is also Nature’s finest creative/organizing force.
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  • #189
  • Mar 27, 2018 3:08pm Mar 27, 2018 3:08pm
Quoting PianoPlayer
JR97 THX for link, yes Russel, Schauberger... I will definately read your thread. Have you ever think about forex market as spiral movement with two forms of motion? 1. Outwardly expanding (used by Nature to encourage breakdown and decomposition) and 2. Inwardly spiraling (used to build up, to create, and to energize). Vortices manage energy—gathering and dispersing it—keeping the entire universe organized and alive. A vortex is the epitome of Nature’s use of opposites in the maintenance of balance. In fact, vortical movement is a perfect...
Yeah, years ago I was in a mastermind group and we looked to turn those concepts into practical trading applications. Checkout Marko Rodin if you haven't. Also Naseem Haramin. Rodin's work is more applicable since he provides practical applications of mapping out the torus. Most of the other stuff out there is just pretty pictures. Turning the concepts into something that's actually useful is the hard part. Best of luck.
  • #190
  • Mar 29, 2018 1:15am Mar 29, 2018 1:15am
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  • #191
  • Mar 29, 2018 11:34am Mar 29, 2018 11:34am
I would like to answer to ff members who are thinking that forex market as multi-dimension structure is like drawing cubes or some other multidimensional shapes in two dimensional chart of fx. This is not true as forex charts are and will always be two dimensional. When I am writing about dimensions in forex i am talking about object like torus on our fx charts and of smaller versions of this torus within.

This smaller versions have certain ratios which are known to humanity for centuries because this ratios exists in nature from the beginning of humankind. The DNA has the same structure as torus, as water drops, air bubbles, rivers, music… yes even music has its own ratios and as a musician i can even see some similarity with fx trading.

I know that lot of you out there will said that i am talking BS…. Hey no problem if you are profitable with your trading, great. I will trade with my esoteric BS, listen music and live on.
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  • #192
  • Mar 30, 2018 6:23am Mar 30, 2018 6:23am
Quoting PianoPlayer
This smaller versions have certain ratios which are known to humanity for centuries because this ratios exists in nature from the beginning of humankind. The DNA has the same structure as torus, as water drops, air bubbles, rivers, music… yes even music has its own ratios and as a musician i can even see some similarity with fx trading.
i think you're talking about golden ratios
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  • #193
  • Mar 30, 2018 7:16am Mar 30, 2018 7:16am
Quoting MetBo
{quote} i think you're talking about golden ratios {image} {image}
It's some forex dualism, which determines that the market operates the principle of ideal proportions, such as Fibonacci. Traders are used to rely on the probability of idealization and create psychological levels. But at the same time, at times the market has the ability to transform into new figures that can not be described by the principles of idealization.
  • #194
  • Mar 30, 2018 7:33am Mar 30, 2018 7:33am
Quoting Mr.Rain
{quote} It's some forex dualism, which determines that the market operates the principle of ideal proportions, such as Fibonacci. Traders are used to rely on the probability of idealization and create psychological levels. But at the same time, at times the market has the ability to transform into new figures that can not be described by the principles of idealization.
anyway, you'll never get the true answer whether fibos work because of traders behaviour or because of the nature of market. So don't waste our time on this question.
  • #195
  • Mar 30, 2018 9:20am Mar 30, 2018 9:20am
I was once non believer. I know that in this picture below a lot of you will see 2 UFOs. OK maybe there are two Fx UFOs.
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  • #196
  • Mar 30, 2018 9:58am Mar 30, 2018 9:58am
Quoting MetBo
{quote} i think you're talking about golden ratios {image} {image}
Well, AFAIK the golden ratio can be a part of it but doesn't have to be ...
  • #197
  • Apr 1, 2018 3:18am Apr 1, 2018 3:18am
Greetings for Easter and Fools day. Hmmm i am not good in this festival things but do we have always this two days together? Hmmmm i think no, so today is a special day, a unity Like meeting of two dimensions.
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  • #198
  • Apr 1, 2018 3:08pm Apr 1, 2018 3:08pm
Hmmm non trivial.. and interesting
  • #199
  • Apr 4, 2018 7:24am Apr 4, 2018 7:24am
Quoting PianoPlayer
Greetings for Easter and Fools day. Hmmm i am not good in this festival things but do we have always this two days together? Hmmmm i think no, so today is a special day, a unity Like meeting of two dimensions. {image}
Hi PP, care to explain those Dimensions? How does price behave in those Dimensions? Thanks :-)
  • #200
  • May 6, 2018 11:05am May 6, 2018 11:05am
Quoting Smudo
{quote} Hi PP, care to explain those Dimensions? How does price behave in those Dimensions? Thanks :-)
Hi from what i have known it means that markets are much more than just the prices that we see in the charts.Price which WE SEE GOING UP AND DOWN IS ONLY AN EFFECT.

There is a cause to every effect,

Here is what WD gann told about dimension part as you were asking,

“Within the circle forms the square, there is an inner circle and an inner square, as well as an outer square and an outer circle which prove the Fourth Dimension in working out price movements”.

Fyi;- Time is the fourth dimension.
No one ever Discovered anything new by colouring inside the lines.
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