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  • #5,841
  • Edited 7:11pm Feb 27, 2018 6:47pm | Edited 7:11pm
Hello,

calculating risk-reward ratio in the manner of the Odd Enhancer #3 and taking into consideration the Odd Enchancer #4 and a situation where the DZ/SZ is a non-fresh zone that the price has come to; Should the Risk-Reward Ratio be calculated from the highest point that the retracement made from the non-fresh point or from the highest popint in the previous fresh retracement. I conclude it should be calculated from the non-fresh point to the highest/lowest retracement. Opinions?

EDIT: What if the highest/lowes retracement from the non-fresh DZ/SZ has been higher/lower than the retracement from the same DZ/SZ that was fresh prior to being non-fresh?
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  • #5,842
  • Feb 28, 2018 5:31am Feb 28, 2018 5:31am
hello everyone

Weekly (price currently at Weekly Demand)
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  • #5,843
  • Feb 28, 2018 7:46am Feb 28, 2018 7:46am
AUDNZD
So I decided to take the trade, not from the first sz but from the second. I was thinking that although the h4 momentum is up and the profit margin is 1R, the daily momentum is down and the sz I'm shorting off has good quality and it is embedded in daily sz. My plan is to wait and see the reaction from the very next h4 dz (rally-base-rally), if it holds then I will exit the position. Another thing is that this h4 dz (RBR) has a very poor quality and it was not confirmed because it didn't took out an opposing zone which makes me think that it has high odds to be broken.
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  • #5,844
  • Feb 28, 2018 1:35pm Feb 28, 2018 1:35pm
EURCHF

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  • #5,845
  • Feb 28, 2018 2:41pm Feb 28, 2018 2:41pm
Quoting T4i
EURCHF Weekly {image} Daily {image}
If you would take as daily demand the whole candle you could say that the reaction from that zone is already happening.
The daily momentum is already broken and it would be a plus if that weekly CP pattern will be removed.
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  • #5,846
  • Feb 28, 2018 2:59pm Feb 28, 2018 2:59pm
A question for Michael, if a may, or maybe another experienced trader would help me out.
Can we consider the zone number 9 a valid supply zone? It did not take out an opposing zone, but the CP pattern (number 11) did. Does this mean that the supply zone above it is valid too?
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  • #5,847
  • Edited 4:14pm Feb 28, 2018 3:37pm | Edited 4:14pm
Quoting Blasterh22
A question for Michael, if a may, or maybe another experienced trader would help me out. Can we consider the zone number 9 a valid supply zone? It did not take out an opposing zone, but the CP pattern (number 11) did. Does this mean that the supply zone above it is valid too? {image}
Hello,

can you please kindly elaborate the take out of a opposing zone, blasterh22? I think I got the idea from your picture. Even that I am not experienced in trading the Art of S&D, my logic concludes the zone 9 as a demand zone, this may or may not satisfy you as I am not Greatly Experienced in S&D trading. Do not take the aforementioned as advice.
Why would you blasterh22 not consider zone 9 as a Demand Zone?
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  • #5,848
  • Edited 11:56pm Feb 28, 2018 8:42pm | Edited 11:56pm
I hate to be "that" guy, but as the rules state on the OP(original post), you should probably refrain from posting videos of other methodologies, it violates rule#14 of the original post. I'm not sure whether AKT has changed the rules over the past two years, but he may be so busy he cannot moderate the thread as often as he would like. Please review the original posting rules if you have not already as of course unintended mistakes happen.

If you must know the reasoning behind this, sometimes deviating from any strategy, even one step of the original strategy - even if it's a derivation or unique version - can cause less than ideal conditions to occur. Anyways, it's not a big deal as we can wait on AKT's thoughts on the matter.
  • #5,849
  • Mar 1, 2018 3:08am Mar 1, 2018 3:08am
AUDCAD
Daily - up momentum broken, price at sz,
H4 - new sz formed, but momentum still up,
h1 - up momentum broken, new sz's formed.
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  • #5,850
  • Edited 4:34am Mar 1, 2018 4:17am | Edited 4:34am
Hello everyone,

I donīt but itīs not getting into my head and I am somehow struggling (thanks again Michael for your time..
Pulling my hair out (oh i dont have any lol).

This is ONLY a example
my thought process for D-4hr-1hr sequence:

 

  1. Look for fresh S&D curve on higher time frame example Daily
  2. where is price at high or low of the curve? in this case high
  3. I ask myself what is the trend on the intermediate time frame in our case 4hr and it is in a downtrend.

this tells me that I should look for shorts but where? do I wait until price reaches Daily supply zone or can I take shorts on the intermediate h4?

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  • #5,851
  • Mar 1, 2018 4:34am Mar 1, 2018 4:34am
Quoting T4i
Hello everyone, I donīt but itīs not getting into my head and I am somehow struggling (thanks again Michael for your time.. Pulling my hair out (oh i dont have any lol). This is ONLY a example my thought process for D-4hr-1hr sequence: Look for fresh S&D curve on higher time frame example Daily where is price at high or low of the curve? in this case high I ask myself what is the trend on the intermediate time frame in our case 4hr and it is in a downtrend. this tells me that I should look for shorts but where? do I wait until price reaches Daily...
My view is totally different, I would look for longs.
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  • #5,852
  • Mar 1, 2018 10:54am Mar 1, 2018 10:54am
Quoting Blasterh22
A question for Michael, if a may, or maybe another experienced trader would help me out. Can we consider the zone number 9 a valid supply zone? It did not take out an opposing zone, but the CP pattern (number 11) did. Does this mean that the supply zone above it is valid too? {image}
Hello Blasterh22

Thank you for the question. It is an often talked about one on the thread and the T.I.O.F webinars but it is worth revisiting again.

If i may, i will like to start by asking a rhetorical question about the higher supply zone, the one labelled 9. When prices were at that level, why did they drop? or asked another way, why did prices not continue to rise?

Within the methodology as we know, prices are the visible, tangible resolution of the interaction between supply (sell orders) and demand (buy orders). So any and all price movement is brought about by the two forces of supply and demand. So with level 9, the only reason as far as the methodology is concerned, that prices fell from that level was because supply (sell orders) exceeded demand (buy orders).
In fact, the only way prices could have fallen is if there were no buy orders left to be filled at that level.

For example, if there were 5000 orders to sell and 10,000 orders to buy at level 9, then all the sell orders would be filled, taking the number of sell orders down to 0. What would have been left is 5000 buy orders. So, if there are no sell orders and only willing buy orders, what must those buyers who want to sell have to do? Increase their prices, which would result in rising prices. That did not happen

Rather, in this case, prices fell from that level. Why? because the amount of buy orders were absorbed, leaving only sell orders. So with no willing buyers, what do the sellers have to do to transact business? they have to drop their prices, resulting in prices falling.

This is how zones are formed within the methodology.

Now, with regards to the issue often raised of a zone did not remove another zone and so is not a demand zone or supply zone, that is often confusing to traders new to the methodology, because, it is not actually about how or why a zone is formed but rather about the quality of a zone in terms of the probabilities of that zone working out or not.

So in conclusion Blasterh22, level 9 is a supply zone for the simple fact that prices dropped rather than rose from that level.
If one asks about the "quality" of the zone in terms of how probable it is that prices will fall again when they return to the level, then the trader must do a quality assessment of the zone and if they choose, include as one of the criteria in that assessment, the criteria of whether or not the zone removed an opposing level.

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #5,853
  • Mar 1, 2018 11:07am Mar 1, 2018 11:07am
Quoting T4i
Hello everyone, I donīt but itīs not getting into my head and I am somehow struggling (thanks again Michael for your time.. Pulling my hair out (oh i dont have any lol). This is ONLY a example my thought process for D-4hr-1hr sequence: Look for fresh S&D curve on higher time frame example Daily where is price at high or low of the curve? in this case high I ask myself what is the trend on the intermediate time frame in our case 4hr and it is in a downtrend. this tells me that I should look for shorts but where? do I wait until price reaches Daily...
Hello T4i

Thank you for sharing your thoughts and challenges with the traders here. You are probably not alone so thank you for speaking up. Much appreciated

here are some of my thoughts on the NZDUSD

best wishes
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  • #5,854
  • Mar 1, 2018 12:20pm Mar 1, 2018 12:20pm
Hello everyone

I posted this trade idea in the Nasdaq 100 on instagram earlier in the week
The idea was based on the weekly and daily charts being in supply zones

before and after

best wishes
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  • #5,855
  • Edited 2:58pm Mar 1, 2018 12:27pm | Edited 2:58pm
Quoting Akt
{quote} Hello Blasterh22 Thank you for the question. It is an often talked about one on the thread and the T.I.O.F webinars but it is worth revisiting again. If i may, i will like to start by asking a rhetorical question about the higher supply zone, the one labelled 9. When prices were at that level, why did they drop? or asked another way, why did prices not continue to rise? Within the methodology as we know, prices are the visible, tangible resolution of the interaction between supply (sell orders) and demand (buy orders). So any and all price...
Very useful information, thank you for sharing, appreciate it.
  • #5,856
  • Mar 1, 2018 1:11pm Mar 1, 2018 1:11pm
Quoting Akt
{quote} Hello Blasterh22 Thank you for the question. It is an often talked about one on the thread and the T.I.O.F webinars but it is worth revisiting again. If i may, i will like to start by asking a rhetorical question about the higher supply zone, the one labelled 9. When prices were at that level, why did they drop? or asked another way, why did prices not continue to rise? Within the methodology as we know, prices are the visible, tangible resolution of the interaction between supply (sell orders) and demand (buy orders). So any and all price...
I agree, very useful information
"Fall in love with the process and the results will follow" - Bradley Whitf
  • #5,857
  • Mar 1, 2018 1:12pm Mar 1, 2018 1:12pm
Quoting Akt
{quote} Hello T4i Thank you for sharing your thoughts and challenges with the traders here. You are probably not alone so thank you for speaking up. Much appreciated here are some of my thoughts on the NZDUSD best wishes{image}
thanks for your thoughts Michael,

cheers
Cervantes
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  • #5,858
  • Mar 1, 2018 8:37pm Mar 1, 2018 8:37pm
Hello,

What is the act of cutting candles? I think I got it, elaborate?
Thank you.
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  • #5,859
  • Mar 2, 2018 3:15am Mar 2, 2018 3:15am
hello everyone,

here another take

AUDJPY

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  • #5,860
  • Mar 2, 2018 6:27am Mar 2, 2018 6:27am
Quoting T4i
hello everyone, here another take AUDJPY Daily {image} 4hr {image} 1hr {image}
From my point of view, monthly and weekly supply is in control. Taking a long from that level should be on confirmation; at least 3:1 move away after trendline break.
i just want to make 10% gain a month.
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