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  • #781
  • Edited 11:18pm Feb 23, 2018 10:54pm | Edited 11:18pm
Quoting phil13
Hi Jupiter Was good to see you posting again, well done my friend you have a good thread here for those who are truly interested and willing to put the time and effort into learning how to trade and why the markets move the way they do. Regards Phil.
Yes, Phil. If one is ready to spend some years of his life to solve the puzzle.
With passion, intelligence and infinite dedication... as fti taught us.

TAF - #89 - "I give you the sketch and you fill in the colours, make it your own painting."
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  • #782
  • Feb 24, 2018 1:40am Feb 24, 2018 1:40am
I have these tons and tons of handwritten Moleskines.
Every new notebook starts with a list of quotes on the first page.
Here are some of the most recurring ones:

> "Flow like a river." (fti TAF #3163)
> "There is only one side... the Right Side!" (Jesse Livermore)
> "Maybe is better if learn to yield quickly. No?" (fti TAF #40057)
> "Only those diligent to think about it and practise can achieve the standards." (fti TAF #12558)

...plus the two that always have tormented me...

> "To learn that a man can make foolish plays for no reason whatever was a valuable lesson." (Jesse Livermore)
> "fti, I believe you are a great trader but, please, don't teach “Market Makers Strategies” to retail traders.
These are 2 completely different worlds.” (trickshady TAF #55071)

Can you see what I mean?
I feel an immense responsibility.
I'm afraid that what was discussed and presented here might be not understood by many in the proper way.

There is no glory in dying. Being on the wrong side and fighting the market it's so simple...
Surviving, instead, takes guts and bravery.
According to Livermore it takes good sense and courage!
  • #783
  • Feb 24, 2018 3:18am Feb 24, 2018 3:18am
Quoting Jupiter
{quote} Yes, Phil. If one is ready to spend some years of his life to solve the puzzle. With passion, intelligence and infinite dedication... as fti taught us. TAF - #89 - "I give you the sketch and you fill in the colours, make it your own painting." {image}
Hi Jupiter
Glad to see you back in full force
I have a question
I read trading in the zone from mark Douglas , should have read it 15 years ago
What would be the next best thing to read ?
  • #784
  • Feb 24, 2018 3:23am Feb 24, 2018 3:23am
Quoting Jupiter
I think I have nothing more to demonstrate. Trading is not impossible. Hope that the serious and humble student could find some good inspiration on these pages... and on dongsky, feb2865 and fti threads. I think that my contribution is coming to an end. I recognise that there is no interest in the conversation... and, what matters the most, I don't want to transform myself in a signal service! Now, find YOUR way. My personal suggestion: “Learn to lose and do not fight. Accept and just follow.”
Why not a paid subscription service to signal and to learn?
  • #785
  • Feb 24, 2018 3:35am Feb 24, 2018 3:35am
Quoting wbemsms
{quote} Why not a paid subscription service to signal and to learn?
Another question
Of you kick yourself out of the opportunity flow because of hesitation and eventually a missed good trade

What do you recommend doing then
Stop for a while or continue because every trade is unique in its own and independent off the all other ones?
  • #786
  • Edited 6:58am Feb 24, 2018 3:54am | Edited 6:58am
Quoting wbemsms
{quote}...What would be the next best thing to read ?
I can tell you this. Using the exact words I used answering to some PM on the same issue.
There is not – to me, in my opinion – one exhaustive book or one omni-comprehensive author.
My personal “mental road map” is essentially the fruit of my personal reflections on the works of:
Dow
Livermore
Gann
Wyckoff
Elliott
Shabacker

Each one of them is a part of the puzzle... that I put together by myself to find a reason in the different Price Behaviours.
Of course the one that is the closer to my heart/mind is Gann, the Swing Trader not the astrologist, of course.

About Gann. (Read himself in the attachment...)
Rules are spread all over, in all of his books. Sorry.
All depends from you as a student. No shortcuts.
Read, understand the core and then reassemble... Yes. It's a job. Yes, it's a long path...
You must commit yourself. Body & Soul. Sorry.
The theoretical "Manual" is "How to Make Profits Trading in Commodities"... and it completes the list.

If you want to read a good a nice “novel” about life and trading... read “Technical Analysis Fallacy”!
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  • #787
  • Feb 24, 2018 4:05am Feb 24, 2018 4:05am
Quoting wbemsms
{quote} Why not a paid subscription service to signal and to learn?
OMG... are you kidding, I hope.
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  • #788
  • Feb 24, 2018 4:14am Feb 24, 2018 4:14am
Quoting Jupiter
{quote} OMG... are you kidding, I hope. {image}
I am serious as hell
Member for 3 years of eminiaddict.com
Very cheap for what you get these are the best ones
Run by David halsey
No signal just analysis according to his book
Your service in my humble opinion could be even better

For the right price off course
  • #789
  • Feb 24, 2018 4:45am Feb 24, 2018 4:45am
Quoting wbemsms
{quote} Another question Of you kick yourself out of the opportunity flow because of hesitation and eventually a missed good trade What do you recommend doing then Stop for a while or continue because every trade is unique in its own and independent off the all other ones?
This question is wonderful.
I find terribly intriguing this sentence of yours: “because every trade is unique in its own and independent off the all other ones “
I would need to write an whole booklet just to answer to this one...
Wonderful...

On the issue...
Yes. It's market job to cut you out of a good trade... by all means.
I took the risk of simplification and try to answer brutally.
It all depends by your "risk propension/adversion" and by your size.
I perfectly agree with Al Brooks on this:
“Be open to all possibilities. When the surprise happens, don't question or deny it. Just read it and trade it.“

With the due differences and different techniques whether we are talking of Breakout or Trend Trade.
One sample of my personal mindset is in my post #746... here.
  • #790
  • Feb 24, 2018 5:19am Feb 24, 2018 5:19am
Quoting Jupiter
{quote} This question is wonderful. I find terribly intriguing this sentence of yours: “because every trade is unique in its own and independent off the all other ones “ I would need to write an whole booklet just to answer to this one... Wonderful... On the issue... Yes. It's market job to cut you out of a good trade... by all means. I took the risk of simplification and try to answer brutally. It all depends by your "risk propension/adversion" and by your size. I perfectly agree with Al Brooks on this: “Be open to all possibilities. When the surprise...
Brutal
I can handle it
After reading trading in the zone i am in the process off self reflection like an addict
Thanks for your answer
  • #791
  • Feb 24, 2018 5:21am Feb 24, 2018 5:21am
Quoting wbemsms
{quote} Brutal I can handle it After reading trading in the zone i am in the process off self reflection like an addict Thanks for your answer
You referred exactly to the trade that kicked me out the zone
  • #792
  • Edited 5:56am Feb 24, 2018 5:46am | Edited 5:56am
OMG if jupiter will go to paid signals it is all that FTI was against.

"Freely you have received; freely give."

And thats why i read this pages of Jupiter i can not understand all but i try we all have our own scorpions to fight and i can not will not take any signals from Jupiter only try to read what is presented in the midlle

Jupiter i want to thank you i am reading thinking but to me scorpions all the time is to much and now i have depleted my resources to teh point that i have to re read TAF
  • #793
  • Feb 24, 2018 6:15am Feb 24, 2018 6:15am
Quoting pdym
"Freely you have received; freely give."
  • #794
  • Edited 8:28pm Feb 24, 2018 6:21am | Edited 8:28pm
@ All

ROFL!!!
Please read with attention my post #776 again.
I don't want misunderstandings here.... I pray you!

"and, what matters the most, I don't want to transform myself in a signal service!"
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  • #795
  • Feb 24, 2018 6:31am Feb 24, 2018 6:31am
i just want to thank you for your thread i know you are not for signal service. And my post was not target to you i can and will thanking you for try carry the light.
And showing to me that we can make it with study and hard work with ourself Pls do not care much for my posts There is probably not much people like FTI that will take shit for so long and hope to "one" just one put effort and unerstand all> My post is not about you sorry for misunderstand if so
  • #796
  • Feb 24, 2018 6:36am Feb 24, 2018 6:36am
Quoting pdym
i just want to thank you for your thread i know you are not for signal service. And my post was not target to you i can and will thanking you for try carry the light. And showing to me that we can make it with study and hard work with ourself Pls do not care much for my posts
First... I want your posts!
Second.. Thank you! You got my message.

Third... all is OK! You are very kind. Good job. Good post. Just on time! Thank you, again!
  • #797
  • Edited 9:26pm Feb 24, 2018 9:04pm | Edited 9:26pm
Quoting wbemsms
{quote}...What would be the next best thing to read ?...
Objective, subjective?
Partial, impartial?
Everything becomes immediately complicated (to me, for me, in me, with me...) when it comes to the "Trading" stuff!
On TAF they are discussing about a book entitled “Bird Watching In Lion Country“...
I'll tell you: I don't get neither the question nor the answer!
This is the text I wrote and that I didn't post... I don't need and I don't want another fight!
I'm so tired of going always “against the crowd”.
Why do I always have to feel myself as the “black sheep”?


Bird Watching In Lion Country? Yes I wasted my time reading things like that...
"Short time frames give you no information that can turn a random series of price events into a series with higher predictive certainty,
a probability that this and not that will occour.
If you are winning then you are on a lucky streak."

So I'll give you my personal answer... but I have, as everybody knows here, my personal view!
What the Author (and general people) calls noise... is precious information to me!
And, what is the most important thing of all, nothing is random in the Market!

So. If you mean the “low gearing, multiple entries” part... my answer is yes, you can read some similarity with the fti's teachings..
And that it's all.
For all the rest my answer is no! A big no!
Starting with the fact that the guy talks of complexity and he doesn't know what that does mean!


So... after this book review and relative “slating”... do you still want a suggestion about what to read from me?
Actually, I really think that Phil13 is perfectly right! “Be careful about what you allow to be put in your mind.”
Garbage in, garbage out.
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  • #798
  • Feb 24, 2018 9:24pm Feb 24, 2018 9:24pm
Quoting Exnav
Hello Jupiter... I'm looking forward to enjoing reading your own book...
I must admit I always loved this Exnav's "simile".
When we decide to open a personal Journal on this Forum is really as if we start to write our own "Book".
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  • #799
  • Feb 24, 2018 9:38pm Feb 24, 2018 9:38pm
Just a little piece of Al Brooks.
(From the Intro of his series...)
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  • #800
  • Feb 24, 2018 9:41pm Feb 24, 2018 9:41pm
Al Brooks... Take another bite... you might like it.
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