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  • #5,301
  • Dec 8, 2017 11:51am Dec 8, 2017 11:51am
Quoting Blasterh22
GBPUSD I think this short needs a confirmation on h1 TF What do you think? {image}
Hello Blasterh22

You didn't share why you think it needs confirmation please

best wishes
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  • #5,302
  • Dec 8, 2017 12:04pm Dec 8, 2017 12:04pm
Quoting Blasterh22
AUDNZD Price on daily DZ. New h4 DZ formed. Question: are we allowed to buy from H4 DZ or we must wait for confirmation on a smaller time frame? {image} {image}
Hello Blaster
I am waiting because all the price action going on is occurring in between big picture levels for now

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  • #5,303
  • Dec 8, 2017 5:49pm Dec 8, 2017 5:49pm
Quoting Akt
{quote} Here you go Papabless best wishes https://youtu.be/Ae4RBLh6A9A
What are these 'chapters'/'trading institutional order flow series' and where can I find it, please?
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  • #5,304
  • Dec 9, 2017 1:13am Dec 9, 2017 1:13am
hi AKT and other traders. Hope you guys passed a very good week.


I am little confused about use of middle chart in a set and forget trade. What I understand is, if I found a set and forget setup at highest time frame, middle chart used to find a zone inside highest TF zone and to set TP. And there is no use of lowest TF. am I misunderstood?

And about confirmation trade, In entry TF If price break TL before retrace to potential S/D zone inside highest TF zone, should I ignore that TL break or there is anything else I need to consider??

Fellow traders, please help me with this.

Regards,

Shuvo
  • #5,305
  • Dec 9, 2017 1:49am Dec 9, 2017 1:49am
My view on a potential confirmation entry on EURAUD on W-4H sequence. Please help me to understand my problems.
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  • #5,306
  • Dec 9, 2017 2:03am Dec 9, 2017 2:03am
My view on a potential confirmation entry on EURCAD on W-D-4H sequence. Please help me to understand my problems.
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  • #5,307
  • Dec 9, 2017 4:39am Dec 9, 2017 4:39am
My view on USDCAD on W-D-4H sequence. Please help me to understand my errors.
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  • #5,308
  • Dec 9, 2017 4:51am Dec 9, 2017 4:51am
shuvo, your EUR/CAD is a short, use smaller lot sizes and wider stops, and multiple lots, fade the top, same as EUR/AUD its a short, again smaller sizes wider stops, your EA trade your stop is too tight, 15-20 pip minimum above the zone is best, so a spike up doesnt take you out.
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  • #5,309
  • Dec 9, 2017 4:52am Dec 9, 2017 4:52am
My view on a potential confirmation entry on EURNZD on W-4H sequence. Please help me to understand my errors.
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  • #5,310
  • Edited 6:54am Dec 9, 2017 5:14am | Edited 6:54am
Hi Akt, thank you for sharing.
Another question came up to you and to others: why are we using 3 time frames, I mean why not 2, first for zones and second for entries?
  • #5,311
  • Dec 9, 2017 6:30am Dec 9, 2017 6:30am
Quoting rmrf
shuvo, your EUR/CAD is a short, use smaller lot sizes and wider stops, and multiple lots, fade the top, same as EUR/AUD its a short, again smaller sizes wider stops, your EA trade your stop is too tight, 15-20 pip minimum above the zone is best, so a spike up doesnt take you out. {image}
Hello rmrf . Thanks for your valuable suggestion. I really don't know the technique to use multiple lots. Would you mind to teach me that technique, please...

And actually I am trying to confirm whether my thought process is correct or not - on both views (confirmation and set & forget).

Regards,

Shuvo
  • #5,312
  • Dec 9, 2017 7:32am Dec 9, 2017 7:32am
Quoting Akt
Hello everyone. The next chapter in the T.I.O.F series on trading Inconsistent Consistency When I began trading over a decade ago, the longer I spent in trading circles, facing the same challenges as all new speculators, having some wins, and many losses, the more frustrated I got. I kept hearing and reading, “the goal of every trader is to make money consistently”, “the aim is to be consistent”. Many of us have the experience of being consistently inconsistent in out trading results, some good days and many hard days. Then I came across the idea...

Hello papabless
Here you go,

they are on the thread, just a series of articles i am writing, putting my thoughts to paper about trading in general and considering the retail trader and his journey in the world of trading. They are spread out on the thread, started a couple of months ago i think.

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #5,313
  • Dec 9, 2017 7:47am Dec 9, 2017 7:47am
Quoting shuvo
hi AKT and other traders. Hope you guys passed a very good week. I am little confused about use of middle chart in a set and forget trade. What I understand is, if I found a set and forget setup at highest time frame, middle chart used to find a zone inside highest TF zone and to set TP. And there is no use of lowest TF. am I misunderstood? And about confirmation trade, In entry TF If price break TL before retrace to potential S/D zone inside highest TF zone, should I ignore that TL break or there is anything else I need to consider?? Fellow traders,...
Hello shuvo
Great question.
As Blaster also asked, why 3 and not 2 timeframes.

Let us talk.

I am sure we all know someone who has had an imaging study done on them before at one point or the other, whether that is an MRI, a CT scan, an X-ray or a simple Ultrasound scan.
During the investigation, the clinician always takes multiple views or shots or slices of the same organ or body part he/she is investigating. Why is that. Why not just take one view and be done with it?

The reason is this, when a doctor sends a patient for an investigation, he/she wants a holistic view of the body part in question. He/she wants to view the same body part from different angles so as to be able to see what is going on before making a decision regarding the most appropriate treatment.

Now let us switch that to trading. We look at multiple timeframes for the exact same reason. It is still the same market, viewed from different perspectives.

"Multiple" timeframes as the name suggests, just means using more than one. Each one has a purpose. S.A.D traders have a number of ways of doing multiple timeframe analysis.

A common and simple way is with the first chart, determine the overall trend and to help with the decision as to which direction carries the higher probability, buying or selling. Once that decision is made the second timeframe can be used to look at zones that would go with the thesis developed looking from the first time frame. The zones can be found on the second timeframe.

2 is good but often not enough. The third timeframe can then be used to refine the entry so as to maximise position size, entries and stop placement.

The 3 timeframes serve different "primary" functions. They are not all created equal.

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #5,314
  • Dec 9, 2017 8:36am Dec 9, 2017 8:36am
Quoting shuvo
My view on a potential confirmation entry on EURNZD on W-4H sequence. Please help me to understand my errors. {image} {image}
Hello shuvo, thank you for sharing your thoughts on this pair
If i may, it would probably be higher probability to short once the 1.7080 price level is removed, because that DBR DZ is still holding

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #5,315
  • Edited Dec 10, 2017 2:12am Dec 9, 2017 10:51am | Edited Dec 10, 2017 2:12am
Quoting Akt
{quote} Hello shuvo, thank you for sharing your thoughts on this pair If i may, it would probably be higher probability to short once the 1.7080 price level is removed, because that DBR DZ is still holding best wishes
Hello Akt. Thanks a lot. grateful to you.
I am sorry if I am bothering you too much. But would you please comment about other chart I posted. I need help to know errors lying in my thought process for both kind of entries.

please.

Regards,

shuvo
  • #5,316
  • Edited 9:22pm Dec 10, 2017 6:46pm | Edited 9:22pm
Quoting shuvo
My view on USDCAD on W-D-4H sequence. Please help me to understand my errors. {image} {image} {image}
Thing is USDCAD is sideways for both weekly and daily.
I do not think we can take a Set and Forget trade in this scenario.

My observations and I am yet to graduate from the school of SAD methodology
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  • #5,317
  • Dec 11, 2017 7:46am Dec 11, 2017 7:46am
My thoughts on USDCAD:
1. Monthly - equilibrium;
2. Weekly - demand created, supply taken out, BUT momentum trend line broken;
3. Daily - new supply zone created.
Conclusion: we can look for short entries, but only with confirmation on a smaller time frame (H1-H4).
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  • #5,318
  • Dec 11, 2017 7:48pm Dec 11, 2017 7:48pm
Quoting Blasterh22
My thoughts on USDCAD: 1. Monthly - equilibrium; 2. Weekly - demand created, supply taken out, BUT momentum trend line broken; 3. Daily - new supply zone created. Conclusion: we can look for short entries, but only with confirmation on a smaller time frame (H1-H4). {image} {image} {image}
Hello Blasterh22
i concur
One note, on the weekly, demand is yet to be removed so going long using this sequence is a higher probability

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #5,319
  • Dec 11, 2017 8:04pm Dec 11, 2017 8:04pm
Hello everyone

Some thoughts on AUDSGD, Watchful waiting

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  • #5,320
  • Dec 11, 2017 8:56pm Dec 11, 2017 8:56pm
Hello everyone

AUDNZD trade idea the Roundtable is watching this week, looking for short term income

best wishes
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