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  • #101
  • Nov 24, 2017 9:10am Nov 24, 2017 9:10am
Quoting dkrock
{quote} Yes, that is how you calculate math. Pips are the unit of measurement of movement on the GRAPH. Money is accounting, not trading. Grow up.
lets stop this bullshit. write arguments like in this post, then i can react to it.

and you always think i want negative things for you, but simple i show you some mistakes and correct it.

like with your pips : you cant calculate pips and sum it in statistics together. its only possible to use pips when you trade same currency with same lotsize with no commissions and no rollover all the time! in any other case of course you can sum up the pips, but this number will tell you exactly one thing: nothing!

its a crazy wrong number noone use, because of this reason. if you do partially closing then even problem is much higher. always calculate in money, never ever in pips. in pips for trades seperatly its just fine, but never for statistic of many trades together.

you can simple see, that winning together 100 pips win in a months can be extrem loss, when you make 400 pips win in EURNZD and loss 300 pips in eurgbp.
you can simple see, that winning together 100 pips win in a months can be extrem loss, when you make 400 pips win with 1 lot trades and loss 300 pips with 2 lot trades.
you can simple see, that opening 20 times 0,1 lot and get a win of 200 pip will be for same 2 lot order 10 pip win. so for same win you show 20 times more pips (200 against 10), whats crazy wrong misleading.
and so on.

of course you can always calculate in pips, but your result is worthless on the end. so when you want do worthless calculation its only lost time, but mention this number and even using for calculations will get problems.

not without a reason scammers often mention won pips and not money, because you can cheat a lot that you win more pips then it was worth. only won money will tell you the reality.

its same like with balance, noone use balance, only equity, because balance tells you nothing, only hides things, thatswhy used by many scammers.

if you dont see this as help, then dont accept it, but its basic math, and you cheat yourself if you dont use trading basics.
  • #102
  • Nov 24, 2017 9:13am Nov 24, 2017 9:13am
Quoting dkrock
{quote} Not sure that makes any sense, but okay. I guess you mean you do not apply any risk to it? If you make a lot of pips you are guaranteed to be profitable. I agree with you about that 2% money management myth. That is a Wall Street thing. Most retail traders have margins, so it is already in your cost per trade.
bigold fella is correct, thats what i told you in last posts all the time.

thats basic math, thats why learning basics is so important and you need to do so really.

i did mention in my last post in more detail, if you cant understand it now i give up.
all other know what we speak about, and you cant see it.
  • #103
  • Nov 24, 2017 9:16am Nov 24, 2017 9:16am
Quoting BigOldFella
{quote} I have 4 years of historical results, 2 years of which I have personally verified. When do you think it will go wrong? Or, to put it another way, what would it take for you to accept that some signal providers are profitable?
personal results are ok, the history of the signal provider is worthless near 100%, because most fake a lot, thatswhy they use signal service and not inside a clean myfxbook account (no fake/scam broker to manipulate trades), so they can say later a lot different things about how they closed and why.
  • #104
  • Nov 24, 2017 9:18am Nov 24, 2017 9:18am
Quoting dukas_trader
{quote} yes, you say it, but thatswhy you are total wrong! no signal provider would sell signals if they would work very good, because they dont really want to tell anyone in case it dilutes your success. so with your own words you describe why signals providers only can be bad or when they are good they simple earn money with the strategy for own accounts and dont sell signals for this price. you delivered the biggest reason why near all signal providers are fake.
Best reply ever.
Let it turn and find your entry.
  • #105
  • Edited 9:43am Nov 24, 2017 9:18am | Edited 9:43am
Quoting dkrock
{quote} I am a math guy and technical analysis trader and from what I know in the world, I am way smarter than you, so please stop talking to me about your idiotic nonsense.
no you are not, stop be a liar. no math man with small level skill will calculate statistics in pips, stop misleading people with this bullshit. you cant even see the point bigoldfella and i did told you. you simple say " no", have no arguments and hide behind your unexperince , but all the time try to fake you know math and trading... thats really hard to belive such a person exists. you are identified as low skill perosn and still you try to hide this fact.... and doing this by not accepting as simple math fact is wrong fighting area, at least you could be so msarkt and look for a fighting area what you can win, and not where you are 100% wrong for sure. and same time writing you know math, thats a joke in best case.

now i really have to attack you, because now you start to do agressive write wrong information and beginners maybe start believe in your bullshit and fake.
and funny that you mention other people, who was faker/cheater/ misleading liar too. only this a attacked and corrected their mistakes. many was same kind of child people like you, but you was first sneaky man i did see who deleted his posts with all the mistakes , you learned in your military time to be sneaky? but you are correct, you are in same low level like many other people here in forexfactory who fake like you and need to be corrected all the time, so that you cant misleade people with total wrong informations and bullshit.
  • #106
  • Nov 24, 2017 9:19am Nov 24, 2017 9:19am
Quoting dkrock
{quote} Not sure that makes any sense, but okay. I guess you mean you do not apply any risk to it?
Money management, R:R, changing SL/TP.
  • #107
  • Nov 24, 2017 9:23am Nov 24, 2017 9:23am
Quoting Intrepidpips
{quote} Best reply ever.
But flawed and naive.
  • #108
  • Nov 24, 2017 9:26am Nov 24, 2017 9:26am
Quoting BigOldFella
{quote} But flawed and naive.
why you say this, i used your words exactly, then you think your arguments was flawed and naive?
i did not change your words, its 1:1 your argument, you only did justify it wrong, it was argument against signal providers and not for signal providers. and by the way the biggest argument.
  • #109
  • Nov 24, 2017 9:31am Nov 24, 2017 9:31am
Quoting dukas_trader
{quote} why you say this, i used your words exactly, then you think your arguments was flawed and naive? i did not change your words, its 1:1 your argument, you only did justify it wrong, it was argument against signal providers and not for signal providers. and by the way the biggest argument.
You said that no signal provider would sell signals that are any good.

If you can make 200,000 USD per month from selling something with zero downside why wouldn't you do it?

It just another revenue stream that smooths out the cash flow.
  • #110
  • Edited 9:45am Nov 24, 2017 9:33am | Edited 9:45am
Quoting BigOldFella
{quote} You said that no signal provider would sell signals that are any good. If you can make 200,000 USD per month from selling something with zero downside why wouldn't you do it? It just another revenue stream that smooths out the cash flow.
no, you told me this!!!!!

you told me, noone would write positive reviews if they win big with signal providers so they dont get problem with trading. if your fact is true, then same is with signal providers. they dont will sell for this 200000 signals, when they can win so much more and dont have to show the trades and dont get the problems from many copy it.

i did relied to your words of defending why no positive reviews!
  • #111
  • Nov 24, 2017 9:46am Nov 24, 2017 9:46am
Quoting dukas_trader
{quote} no, you told me this!!!!! you told me, noone would write positive reviews if they win big with signal providers so they dont get problem with trading. same is with signal providers. they dont will sell for this 200000 k signals, when they can win so much more and dont have to show the trades and dont get the problems form many copy it. i did relied to your words of defending why no positive reviews!
I didn't say anything such thing.

I was talking about retail traders not giving their secrets away.

Do you think there is any business in the world that would turn down 200,000 USD per month irrespective of their size?
  • #112
  • Nov 24, 2017 9:48am Nov 24, 2017 9:48am
Quoting dkrock
{quote} No. Your response is good. There is a troll on the thread bullying people. He'll come for you now because of your post. Ignore him.
why, he is not writing wrong things, you did write misleading things, called yourself good in math by same time should you know not even the basics, you called good in trading by showing not knowing basic trading skills,....

so why you want that some write other people, when you are the problem??
you have really a problem to live in a dream land, to often i have seen this kind of people. live in reality, then you can imprive and grow, in your dreasm you are good and big, but in reality you write like you are small and low skilled. a big gap between your dreams and yourself.
  • #113
  • Nov 24, 2017 9:51am Nov 24, 2017 9:51am
Quoting GEfx
{quote} I don't trade 1000 lot trades, but I might have several hundred lots in trades at any point in time across multiple accounts. If this interests you, look at a software product called FXSynergy to help manage your trading across multiple accounts. I am not a rep of this company nor do I receive commissions or fees for this post. Edit: Has this thread turned into a signal advertisement? I just read the first post and have not read any of the other comments until post 102........
No, it's more of a philosophical argument.

One side says if you can make money out of something then why would you sell it.

The other side of the argument is if you could make even more money by selling it then why wouldn't you.
  • #114
  • Nov 24, 2017 9:51am Nov 24, 2017 9:51am
Quoting BigOldFella
{quote} I didn't say anything such thing. I was talking about retail traders not giving their secrets away. Do you think there is any business in the world that would turn down 200,000 USD per month irrespective of their size?
when you make by trading millions, and this is easy if they give this signals over years with 300 pip each month, you give a shit to this 200k, because by giving out signals you lose more in volume you get then you get from this 200k.

you always have to think about, why someone sells signals, not because he is a good trader!then maybe he would manage account, because could win much much more against signal service . signal selling is the worst people doing, the rest of the scam all the time.
  • #115
  • Nov 24, 2017 9:53am Nov 24, 2017 9:53am
Quoting dukas_trader
{quote} when you make by trading millions, and this is easy if they give this signals over years with 300 pip each month, you give a shit to this 200k, because by giving out signals you lose more in volume you get then you get from this 200k. you always have to think about, why someone sells signals, not because he is a good trader!then maybe he would manage account, because could win much much more against signal service . signal selling is the worst people doing, the rest of the scam all the time.
You've still not answered the question - at what point do you call it a success? 4 years profitable trading is not a success?
  • #116
  • Nov 24, 2017 9:56am Nov 24, 2017 9:56am
Quoting BigOldFella
{quote} You've still not answered the question - at what point do you call it a success? 4 years profitable trading is not a success?
i answered you. personal testing time ok, rest before useless,. because signal providers data useless.
i would not use this shit, your 2 mentioned signals providers i would not even take a look at. but thats me, for this anybody needs to think for their own.

but its difficult to justify you, you can also be simple a marketing for this signal providers with this only negative reviews. the chances are not so small, and you need to be fair to accept that it looks like this because its done in this kind often in forums.
  • #117
  • Nov 24, 2017 9:59am Nov 24, 2017 9:59am
Quoting dkrock
{quote} Actually, we have to think why you keep writing posts? No one cares what you think. Get a hint.
to show you are wrong, again and again.

the problem is this army boy:
i stoped writing until you again wrote mistakes, then i corrected it, then you wrote more mistakes, i need to correct, stop writing mistakes and i dont need to write correction of it.

i know you are not smartest candle on the cake, but even you will check this fact.
  • #118
  • Nov 24, 2017 10:00am Nov 24, 2017 10:00am
Quoting dukas_trader
{quote} i answered you. personal testing time ok, rest before useless,. because signal providers data useless. i would not use this shit, your 2 mentioned signals providers i would not even take a look at. but thats me, for this anybody needs to think for their own. but its difficult to justify you, you can also be simple a marketing for this signal providers with this only negative reviews. the chances are not so small, and you need to be fair to accept that it looks like this because its done in this kind often in forums.
That's one thing you're right about. You might thing that I am affiliated with them.

I don't actually use sharktips but you can't argue with their results.
  • #119
  • Nov 24, 2017 10:03am Nov 24, 2017 10:03am
Quoting BigOldFella
{quote} That's one thing you're right about. You might thing that I am affiliated with them. I don't actually use sharktips but you can't argue with their results.
i think its scam, and if you are not affiliate all is fine, but its realy difficult to decide.
i think we dont get to a new step in this topic.

because managing accounts brings much more win, you can always think about why they dont do. you can cheat much more in selling signals, so much easier to present win, if done in pips its most easy ofcourse and same time wrong.

is your old question (starting post) completly solved with the many solution here from many persons?
  • #120
  • Nov 24, 2017 10:16am Nov 24, 2017 10:16am
Quoting dkrock
{quote} LOL. Listen up troll. The mistakes you keep referencing are all in your head. I am not a signal provider. Never was. Never will be. I am a full time trader. I learned to trade before you were born. I have not written any mistakes. You CREATED a delusion of your own. I am not in the army and never was. More and more and more nonsense from you. You have not said one thing factual about me, but you keep making sh*t up. That is why you are an azzhole. You know absolutely nothing about me. 1. What is my name? 2. Where do I live? 3. Where was...
correct (when i told you are signal provider, learn reading army troll) , lets see what i know:

- you are bad in math
- you are a liar
- you fake a lot
- you are impossible to see your mistakes (pip counting for statistic is one of this)
- your are sneaky (deleting your mistakes very fast , before other could see)
- you have often no arguments
- you was in military, i dont know how to judge this, i dont know if there are the best or worst brains, others have more experience to judge this maybe
- you are often with problems , when someone corrects your mistakes
- you have big problems to see the topic someone writes about
- you dont read the textes correct very often

by the way: all infomation points you listed are not important, because you are uninteresting as a liar. of course you are best trader and have most beautiful wife, biggest company and biggest win. so no need to ask you
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