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  • #4,861
  • Oct 13, 2017 8:33am Oct 13, 2017 8:33am
Quoting Patoum33
Hello Akt, I'm new to institutional order flow. is there a place or resource available to learn about this? I read, in your first message, that you would provide such training though not free. kindly assist if you can. thanks
Hello Patoum33
Welcome to T.I.O.F
Good to meet you.

If i may suggest, consider starting with the Back to Basics videos on the sister Youtube channel. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBf...ZS7J4oOx3hHl3g

The posts here are full of information as well so might be worth some bed time reading as part of your commitment to learning the methodology

Welcome again

Best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #4,862
  • Oct 13, 2017 12:36pm Oct 13, 2017 12:36pm
EUR / CNH perfect example entry from fresh DBD in downtrend in upper part of curve

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  • #4,863
  • Oct 13, 2017 4:30pm Oct 13, 2017 4:30pm
Quoting Akt
{quote} Hello ghaziali226 I used one of the exit strategies within the methodology called fixed exits. Simply put it is a set reward to risk ratio that is within the trader's own trading plan and is available based on the price action on the chart. No profit margin no trade. In this case, there were DBR demand zones down at the exit area which was an added incentive to exit best wishes
Hi Michael,

Glad to hear from you and thanks for such a detailed reply. I actually have another question if you don't mind and we can use the USD/CAD short trade you posted above in the thread as an expansion for this question.

Let's say I entered the same trade you did but my exits were on the daily. Would it have been possible for me target the next major D.Z. on the daily T. frame after entering on the 3H? I understood what you said about the fixed exits but whats been really been bugging me is that would it be viable if one was to target the daily D.Z. [for a bigger profit]:

1) When price was in daily supply
2) 3H Mom. line broken
3) The next ''threat'' so to speak is the daily D.Z. [even if there were fresh R.B.R. zones on the 3H, wouldn't these be simply used to take price back up to a S.Z. and then we go down again?].

When everything is pointed towards taking the price down on the 3H and as you have mentioned a few times in your YT videos about the 1H trend being stopped by the 4H, 4H only by the daily and so on and so on. So my idea is that if we are turning towards a downtrend in the 3H time frame, will the 3H D.Z.'s be able to take price back up beyond a 3H S.Z.? As we are in a downtrend shouldn't our main concern/exit only be the daily D.Z.'s as only they can stop the 3H downtrend?

I tend to stay in the shadows in this forum Michael, not because i don't have questions but because i know you are a busy man outside of trading and this forum and you get plenty of far more important questions from others, but this question is the longest I've asked on any forum because i need an answer!! Haha it's really been bugging me.

Thanks in advance Michael.

Ghazi
  • #4,864
  • Oct 14, 2017 1:04am Oct 14, 2017 1:04am
Quoting Ramadas
EUR / CNH perfect example entry from fresh DBD in downtrend in upper part of curve {image}
Would you be kind enough to share your bid/ask line & spread indi as well as your ADR indi?
  • #4,865
  • Oct 14, 2017 12:41pm Oct 14, 2017 12:41pm
Quoting ghaziali226
{quote} Hi Michael, Glad to hear from you and thanks for such a detailed reply. I actually have another question if you don't mind and we can use the USD/CAD short trade you posted above in the thread as an expansion for this question. Let's say I entered the same trade you did but my exits were on the daily. Would it have been possible for me target the next major D.Z. on the daily T. frame after entering on the 3H? I understood what you said about the fixed exits but whats been really been bugging me is that would it be viable if one was to target...
Hello ghaziali226.

Thank you for the question. It is one that is often asked and often misunderstood yet with a really simple answer.

There are a number of ways to enter and exit a trade using any methodology.
A trader can be one of the following entry and exit combinations and indeed even move from one type to another depending on the trade and the information available from the chart:

1. All in-All out trader
2. All in-Scale out trader
3. Scale in-All out trader
4. Scale in-Scale out trader

If you are an all in all out trader which most tend to be at least at the start of their careers, there is a tendency to look for large less probable and more psychologically challenging targets, such as the one you describe. Please understand that the scenario you aptly described is very feasible and attainable for the trader who can hold for bigger targets and understands the process.
Many of us retail traders struggle with the idea of holding for big targets and rightly so, because, many of us can not take the emotional pain of seeing profits on the table and then seeing that all evaporate on a pullback, we exit out of fear and then see price go the original way we expected. That causes psychological discomfort for most.
So within the methodology, picking the low hanging fruit is often advocated and i think, for good reason.

Now if you had a big position that you could scale out gradually as profit targets are hit, that is often a good balance to attain.

I hope that helps

Best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #4,867
  • Oct 14, 2017 3:05pm Oct 14, 2017 3:05pm
I posted links to the indicators, but post was hidden by FF. Hidden for breach of Trader Code of Conduct
Cut short your losses. Let your profits run on. David Ricardo (1772-1823)
  • #4,868
  • Oct 14, 2017 10:13pm Oct 14, 2017 10:13pm
Quoting Ramadas
USD / Chinese yuan sell possibility. Middle of the curve, momentum down. Only DBD though, but with strong move down {image}
Sooner or later it should drop. I am short on the Yuan
  • #4,869
  • Oct 15, 2017 1:35am Oct 15, 2017 1:35am
Quoting Ramadas
I posted links to the indicators, but post was hidden by FF. Hidden for breach of Trader Code of Conduct
Understandable no worries but thanks for trying!
  • #4,870
  • Oct 15, 2017 8:48am Oct 15, 2017 8:48am
Quoting Akt
{quote} Hello ghaziali226. Thank you for the question. It is one that is often asked and often misunderstood yet with a really simple answer. There are a number of ways to enter and exit a trade using any methodology. A trader can be one of the following entry and exit combinations and indeed even move from one type to another depending on the trade and the information available from the chart: 1. All in-All out trader 2. All in-Scale out trader 3. Scale in-All out trader 4. Scale in-Scale out trader If you are an all in all out trader which most...

Brilliant. Thanks a lot for getting back to me, that has cleared things up for me.
I am looking for forward to more of your YT videos.

Take care,

Ghazi
  • #4,871
  • Oct 16, 2017 4:46am Oct 16, 2017 4:46am
CAD JPY short triggered. 4h trend down. High on daily curve. DBD kinda. Initial SL was higher above the base highs.

Look at wick at base before the drop. More often the not, price will touch the wick than the body of the candle. I started drawing zones up to the wicks and finding the profit margin of 2:1 is more difficult. Unless you will use implied profit margin....
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  • #4,872
  • Oct 16, 2017 4:48am Oct 16, 2017 4:48am
Possible cocoa trade long. Low on daily curve. 4h trend long. Entry at the lower half of standard deviation channel.

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  • #4,873
  • Oct 16, 2017 4:50am Oct 16, 2017 4:50am
Copper broke above daily supply zone. This is most annoying part of using only SD, that this move completely was missed out. Breakout strategies would catch this move. If price will not retrace, SD only follower will look in anguish, how train is running away with money.

I put limit order entries into this strong move on 15m and 1h

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15m

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  • #4,874
  • Oct 16, 2017 5:03am Oct 16, 2017 5:03am
EUR TRY

I put buy limit to see if there is any demand left before the gap.

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  • #4,875
  • Oct 16, 2017 5:12am Oct 16, 2017 5:12am
Heating oil.

Trailing stop took me out from shorts and we have new H4 uptrend and attack on supply. Book example entry. Trailing SL awaiting strong reaction from supply zone to take me out.

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  • #4,876
  • Oct 16, 2017 5:13am Oct 16, 2017 5:13am
NZD JPY missed by few pips

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  • #4,877
  • Oct 16, 2017 5:20am Oct 16, 2017 5:20am
USD ZAR missed by few pips.

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  • #4,878
  • Oct 16, 2017 5:57am Oct 16, 2017 5:57am
Quoting Ramadas
USD TRY gap filling? Momentum is up, low on the curve. {image}
i am waiting for this one too...
  • #4,879
  • Oct 16, 2017 7:35am Oct 16, 2017 7:35am
Hello Guys,
I need your help,
Right axis price scale is not showing the correct values in my tradingview chart window, can someone please suggest what could be the issue and how to
resolve it? I don't know what went wrong

thanks
  • #4,880
  • Oct 16, 2017 9:30am Oct 16, 2017 9:30am
Gold missed by few pips

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