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  • #61
  • Sep 26, 2017 9:02am Sep 26, 2017 9:02am
Quoting profitfarmer
yet to see any proof that any of said investors exist... right now the thread more like something from those 1st April jokes. as Bicarus said: " what you want are experienced successful traders with no capital. that sentence in itself is a big joke. a big paradox"
Please don't waste your time on unnecessary chit chat.
For God's sake, please do some serious demo trading .
Practice makes a person perfect
  • #62
  • Sep 26, 2017 9:05am Sep 26, 2017 9:05am
Quoting simnz
{quote} Please don't waste your time on unnecessary chit chat. For God's sake, please do some serious demo trading .
For God's sake ( in your words!) I do have some serious live trading, with live TE included!
Not that you would want to consider real traders, it is pretty clear already!
there is always, always another trade!!
  • #63
  • Sep 26, 2017 9:24am Sep 26, 2017 9:24am
Quoting jdieieh
{quote} Capital providers? Capital? 50k? Capital? Quick search for online loans, no many questions asked for proved business... : "The EGF ImpactLoan offers fast, flexible and affordable business funding from $100,000 to $500,000" https://www.excelsiorgrowthfund.org/...ans-up-to-500k Next one: "Flexible business loans Up to £120,000 for any business purpose" https://www.ezbob.com/ Hell... my credit provider would do 50k without any questions... Capital providers, ha?
I am thankful to you for helping traders by providing capital sources. Highly appreciated.
If you can provide the links for fund suppliers who don't ask for any collaterals for offering loans to speculative traders. That would be really nice.
Practice makes a person perfect
  • #64
  • Sep 26, 2017 9:26am Sep 26, 2017 9:26am
Quoting The-Flipper
I would say really successful traders already trade with at least 500K of their own money. They trade by their own rules, know exactly how to make money and keep all the profits. No need to get involved with shitty "investors".
This programme is not for such good traders.

It is for someone who has not acquired the discipline and ability to manage risks and unable to handle emotions of greed and fear.

If the trader is not putting his own money on the line, his concentration is on following the system faithfully. Risk controls exposure will make him/her a better trader.
Practice makes a person perfect
  • #65
  • Sep 26, 2017 9:29am Sep 26, 2017 9:29am
Quoting VEEFX
{quote} I am speechless dude. Your approach is backwards. You need to define the risk parameters FIRST that is acceptable to your chosen risk controller and then ask traders to prove their performance via TE that is compliant with your risk model. This tells me your capital investors are clueless what you want out of this....how will you chose this so called risk controller role? If i were to define risk control parameters, you won't find a single trader from the list of demo professional wannabes here on fools factory.
My offer to you is to become a risk controller stands. Just take it, my friend.
Practice makes a person perfect
  • #66
  • Sep 26, 2017 9:31am Sep 26, 2017 9:31am
Quoting RBlackburn
{quote} OK. I will make 400 pips on my own rules and regulations as stated earlier and display it publicly so you can inform your investors. Thanks.
Ok please go ahead and wish you all the best.
Practice makes a person perfect
  • #67
  • Sep 26, 2017 9:34am Sep 26, 2017 9:34am
Quoting simnz
{quote} Please don't waste your time on unnecessary chit chat. For God's sake, please do some serious demo trading .
...Isn't that an oxymoron?
  • #68
  • Sep 26, 2017 9:48am Sep 26, 2017 9:48am
Quoting FXClarity
{quote} ...Isn't that an oxymoron?
Do you want me to tell the aspiring traders to put money and lose for testing their capability to trade with discipline?
Practice makes a person perfect
  • #69
  • Sep 26, 2017 9:55am Sep 26, 2017 9:55am
Quoting simnz
{quote} I am thankful to you for helping traders by providing capital sources. Highly appreciated. If you can provide the links for fund suppliers who don't ask for any collaterals for offering loans to speculative traders. That would be really nice.
Why would I, or anybody knowing how to speculate, wiggle with your "capital" of 50k for to months for your salary of "20%"?

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  • #70
  • Sep 26, 2017 10:00am Sep 26, 2017 10:00am
Quoting simnz
{quote} This programme is not for such good traders. It is for someone who has not acquired the discipline and ability to manage risks and unable to handle emotions of greed and fear. If the trader is not putting his own money on the line, his concentration is on following the system faithfully. Risk controls exposure will make him/her a better trader.
unless the payment is done in demo money, such demo traders still will have very real emotions that relate to the earned, already or in hope, fees from investors.
once they get X%ahead, it is inevitable that it will start to factor into their decision making to some extent.
there is always, always another trade!!
  • #71
  • Sep 26, 2017 1:33pm Sep 26, 2017 1:33pm
Quoting VEEFX
{quote} Okay. Let's do this. Consult with all your capital providers and document in detail the risk controller role along with responsibilities. This role needs to be universal and applicable to all traders and funded accounts. It needs to be in a word document as if I am interviewing for a job offer for a position. Atleast 2-3 pages long with objectives, list of risk parameters and their corresponding values that are acceptable to your investors.... the whole deal! The Rule Book! The Operations Guide! for Risk Controllers to follow each and every...
Ok. If you can send any such document to me I will request them to treat as a format sample and put in their objectives.
They are not sophisticated or highly educated to put it by themselves. They need guidelines to fill in.
All the information you need will be sought from them and the 3 month journey will start after getting your inputs. There is no obligation on either side.
But I appreciate your eagerness to help the strugglers, like me. Thank you.
Practice makes a person perfect
  • #72
  • Sep 26, 2017 11:00pm Sep 26, 2017 11:00pm
Quoting VEEFX
{quote} Dont get me wrong... i have no desire to "help the strugglers like me". I have been suckered into this game once before, wasting over 6 months of my time with another forum member on skpe with 5 other traders and making promises of starting a hedge fund. He claimed he personally knew a well known hedge fund billionaire. After 6 months, I found out he was secretly building his own website offering training and newsletter service. That fucked me up big time to never trust anyone online or on skype. I haven't logged on to skype in past 2+ yrs!...
I am sorry about your experience.

Encouraging people to do demo trading in a disciplined manner for an incentive of getting capital provider is a mission for me. Not particularly money-making venture. you understand this now that you have mentioned about my experience.

If my effort helps even 5 traders go through this disciplined demo trading without them paying any money to anyone, that will be good.
Practice makes a person perfect
  • #73
  • Sep 27, 2017 1:30am Sep 27, 2017 1:30am
Hello Sim from NZ,

"traders-cum-coders"
"For God's sake".. etc etc...
Your Vocabulary is atypical of the Chinese. I think I know where you belong to.


You wrote,
"Encouraging people to do demo trading..... is a mission for me"

You need a better mission SimNZ.
  • #74
  • Sep 27, 2017 1:41am Sep 27, 2017 1:41am
Quoting simnz
{quote} I am sorry about your experience. Encouraging people to do demo trading in a disciplined manner for an incentive of getting capital provider is a mission for me. Not particularly money-making venture. you understand this now that you have mentioned about my experience. If my effort helps even 5 traders go through this disciplined demo trading without them paying any money to anyone, that will be good.
the more you talk, the fishier the story. just saying...
  • #75
  • Sep 27, 2017 3:00am Sep 27, 2017 3:00am
Quoting Bicarus
{quote} the more you talk, the fishier the story. just saying...
Aren't you having good time?
Practice makes a person perfect
  • #76
  • Edited 5:12am Sep 27, 2017 3:07am | Edited 5:12am
Quoting simnz
{quote} I am sorry about your experience. Encouraging people to do demo trading in a disciplined manner for an incentive of getting capital provider is a mission for me. Not particularly money-making venture. you understand this now that you have mentioned about my experience. If my effort helps even 5 traders go through this disciplined demo trading without them paying any money to anyone, that will be good.
How can demo trading possibly help ?
Even if it is usied in a "disciplined manner" , it's not real
and you know it's not real.
Demo trading does not help.
If any one needs to learn, it must be with real money and money that the trader CANNOT AFFORD TO LOSE.
  • #77
  • Sep 27, 2017 3:45am Sep 27, 2017 3:45am
Quoting King Singh
Hello Sim from NZ, "traders-cum-coders" "For God's sake".. etc etc... Your Vocabulary is atypical of the Chinese. I think I know where you belong to. You wrote, "Encouraging people to do demo trading..... is a mission for me" You need a better mission SimNZ.
cum is the shorthand for cumulative.
  • #78
  • Sep 27, 2017 3:47am Sep 27, 2017 3:47am
Quoting simnz
{quote} Aren't you having good time?
yeah i enjoy watching u. trying to preach on investor funds, when u dont even know the basics of the fund management industry.
  • #79
  • Sep 27, 2017 4:12am Sep 27, 2017 4:12am
Quoting Bicarus
{quote} yeah i enjoy watching u. trying to preach on investor funds, when u dont even know the basics of the fund management industry.
Lol - my sentiments exactly.

To summarise - the thread was launched with an interesting proposition which has now turned into utter nonsense.
  • #80
  • Sep 27, 2017 4:35am Sep 27, 2017 4:35am
Quoting FXClarity
{quote} Lol - my sentiments exactly. To summarise - the thread was launched with an interesting proposition which has now turned into utter nonsense.
not entirely true.
it has some entertainment and educational value.

plenty things said here by the OP makes one laugh, and he surely did a good job to teach for wannabes how to bail from possible fund raiser to someone who has the mission to encourage demo trading.

spoiler alert:
by now for most should be clear that there is no funds to have, the not-so-sophisticated investors with their picks from the not so-experienced demo jockeys are but another fairy tale.
but please keep the fun stuff coming, we all need a good laugh the break up the trading day!!
there is always, always another trade!!
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