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  • #21
  • Sep 23, 2017 9:27am Sep 23, 2017 9:27am
This thread and the starter definitly belong to very commercial content!!!!!
PVSRA
  • #22
  • Sep 23, 2017 9:29am Sep 23, 2017 9:29am
Quoting simnz
{quote} Most people can't do all by themselves - analysing, trading and controlling risks. This opportunity is for them.
Someone that cannot do this cannot be a trader. Ever.

This is like I would want to live on my own and I would say I cannot do all these things on my own: cannot prepare my food, eat my food and plan how much it will cost me monthly!! Very absurd!
PVSRA
  • #23
  • Sep 23, 2017 10:36am Sep 23, 2017 10:36am
Quoting simnz
{quote} Most people can't do all by themselves - analysing, trading and controlling risks. This opportunity is for them.
then they are no traders. so simple. all this 3 is part of trading.
  • #24
  • Sep 23, 2017 2:23pm Sep 23, 2017 2:23pm
Quoting simnz
{quote} As I already told you I am a middleman and it is up to capital providers to set their terms and it is up to traders if they are OK with it. I have no say in this matter. I will be paid some fees for sourcing the traders. Looks like the programme doesn't suit you as you are already doing well. Still you can contribute your ideas to help FF members. Those will be greatly appreciated by aspiring traders.
I don't think you answered my question. Is the 50K trading capital per trader or across the pool of raders?
Staying in my lane...
  • #25
  • Sep 23, 2017 2:33pm Sep 23, 2017 2:33pm
Quoting profitfarmer
{quote} big talk. little backing up. funny criterias and ideas what or what not is successful trading, or good money management practice. would a 3 month demo commitment with unrealistic restrictions equal to being a free lunch? hardly, but let everyone do their own judging. you have your own ideas how trading risk free demo account is similar to manage other peoples money as sort of risk free for trader...where in the end of month it is complete different as the fee factor was never present in demo risk free, and very much present when others money...
I have changed my own perspective on demo trading performance over the years but only for 100% automated systems that run 24x5 without any intervention and factor at least 5-8 pips for slippage per trade I.e. profitable trade has to be more than 8 pips. Restrictiing number of open trades and pairs to trade and only for 3 months is meaningless imo.
Most brokers demo price feed is pretty stable and trading conditions match their live accounts. Should be okay
Staying in my lane...
  • #26
  • Sep 23, 2017 2:45pm Sep 23, 2017 2:45pm
let me speak to your investors, if they exist, because you obviously don't know what you are on about

ALSO

WTF you mean 'traders CUM coding'?
  • #27
  • Sep 24, 2017 1:05am Sep 24, 2017 1:05am
Quoting Don96
let me speak to your investors, if they exist, because you obviously don't know what you are on about ALSO WTF you mean 'traders CUM coding'?
If you ask me- this is just a brand new "Broker" trying to get employees and customers, nothing else.

If this would not be the case, then why the thread starter is not already at late stages (500.000)as a trader of this 2 years programm?! ( that is commercial by the way, as already mentioned. He is or will be getting comissions from the clients that apply!)
Or it is another scam. Have no idea why FF alows such offers without verifying and investigating it.
PVSRA
  • #28
  • Sep 24, 2017 4:19am Sep 24, 2017 4:19am
Quoting VEEFX
{quote} I don't think you answered my question. Is the 50K trading capital per trader or across the pool of raders?
I thought you are not interested for less than $100,000.
Ofcourse, the capital of $50,000 is per trader or a team of trader, analyst and risk controller. Part-timer should have sufficient income motivation.

Once , sufficient interest has been shown, a list of symbols and respective stop loss limits will be posted along with Equity Stop Loss (as two symbols are constituting the portfolio).

If you can find time, please come onboard, and help the serious ones on the FF get some real hard exposure.
Practice makes a person perfect
  • #29
  • Sep 24, 2017 7:27am Sep 24, 2017 7:27am
Quoting Don96
let me speak to your investors, if they exist, because you obviously don't know what you are on about ALSO WTF you mean 'traders CUM coding'?
He thinks traders get really excited about trading and coding
  • #30
  • Sep 24, 2017 7:31am Sep 24, 2017 7:31am
Quoting simnz
I am playing the role of a middle man in arranging capital partners and traders who have the ability and temperament to trade but lack funds. I have lined up a group of capital providers from the emerging markets where fx trading is not allowed because of exchange controls and they are looking for experienced traders to trade on their nominee accounts. No fx education will be provided nor any training fees will be asked for. That's why traders have to prove their credentials by showing proof of having been Ff member for at least one year and are...
I am not interested in any offers less than 1 million
  • #31
  • Sep 24, 2017 7:48am Sep 24, 2017 7:48am
This thread reminds me of the Gainsy $5000 risk free trading offer.

https://www.gainsy.com/promotion/no-...000-pamm-bonus

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  • #32
  • Sep 24, 2017 9:35am Sep 24, 2017 9:35am
This offer makes no sense!

If a trader can make consistently 400 pips every month with no more than 2 open positions - he doesn't need any capital!

With 400 pips this trader will create his own capital in no time.

Starting with just $100

With 20:1 leverage 400 pips per month => over $35K after 12 months.
With 30:1 leverage 400 pips per month => over $265K after 12 months.
  • #33
  • Sep 24, 2017 10:35am Sep 24, 2017 10:35am
Quoting alphaomega
This offer makes no sense! If a trader can make consistently 400 pips every month with no more than 2 open positions - he doesn't need any capital! With 400 pips this trader will create his own capital in no time. Starting with just $100 With 20:1 leverage 400 pips per month => over $35K after 12 months. With 30:1 leverage 400 pips per month => over $265K after 12 months.
Excellent. I am glad you pointed out this. Let them prove their mettle in demo-trading and create some paper capital at least. Looks like not many willing to go for, they lack confidence as well as faith in their systems.

A trader is free to choose their own path . Why not? They may consider this as a test of their own abilities instead of betting with bucket shops.

The capital providers will come forward with contracts only for those willing to give it a go after they have established their performance record. It will take another 4 months from now onwards as symbols to be traded, stop loss for each symbol, acceptable drawdown and other rules have yet to be communicated.

From the kind of responses generated so far, no FF trader has the courage to try his hand and achieve defined targets.

In fact, the capital providers told me that only 10% of those aspiring will make the grade. 90% won't. Now looks like 100% won't.
Practice makes a person perfect
  • #34
  • Sep 24, 2017 12:54pm Sep 24, 2017 12:54pm
Quoting simnz
{quote} Excellent. I am glad you pointed out this. Let them prove their mettle in demo-trading and create some paper capital at least. Looks like not many willing to go for, they lack confidence as well as faith in their systems. A trader is free to choose their own path . Why not? They may consider this as a test of their own abilities instead of betting with bucket shops. The capital providers will come forward with contracts only for those willing to give it a go after they have established their performance record. It will take another 4 months...
it isnt about the courage or no courage.
it is about wasting time on demo, with silly conditions, and limited potential.
here is something that "risk free" beyond proving yourself trading a few months your own 5-20k account to start with ( not longer then funny demo period here)
https://fixi.com/8-steps-hedge-fund/
100-500k funding to start with is probably sounds better than having 50k for another year or two after the mysterious investors sign a contract with you approving your demo results.

sure, if someone doesnt have 5k, they can always dream on.
but maybe often if there is no capital, usually means there is no solid system. else ppl would take loan, beg, borrow just to trade their sure cash cow system.
there is always, always another trade!!
  • #35
  • Edited 2:04pm Sep 24, 2017 1:37pm | Edited 2:04pm
Quoting simnz
{quote} Excellent. I am glad you pointed out this. Let them prove their mettle in demo-trading and create some paper capital at least. Looks like not many willing to go for, they lack confidence as well as faith in their systems. A trader is free to choose their own path . Why not? They may consider this as a test of their own abilities instead of betting with bucket shops. The capital providers will come forward with contracts only for those willing to give it a go after they have established their performance record. It will take another 4 months...
No offense but your "capital provider" does not seem to have a clue.
This type of offer ALWAYS attracts the losers.
  • #36
  • Sep 24, 2017 2:04pm Sep 24, 2017 2:04pm
i am interested because i have no trading capital big enough . what is next step where should i sign in
  • #37
  • Sep 24, 2017 2:36pm Sep 24, 2017 2:36pm
Simnz,

Perhaps you should start slower- you wont likely find even 10 traders on Forex Factory that offer ALL of the below criteria (much less what you are asking for):

  1. Demo/Live account that is 3 months of age and is visible and/or without "custom start" the whole time
  2. Demo/Live account that is profitable (never-mind the +400 pips part*)
  3. Draw down of less than 20% on account, and 5% per trade

*the pips will not matter, as pips are worth a different amount depending on the lot size. eg. someone accumulating ten pips worth $100 apiece is making more money than someone accumulating 400 pips at $1 apiece.

Good luck, but you're likely in the wrong place. Find the 10 that can offer 1, 2, and 3....then work on the terms. Chances are, only a few would be in the running anyway- which puts them in a much better bargaining position than yourself.

If you are truly who you say you are, and doing what you say you are doing- then finding the person will be hard....but eliminating people will be exceeding easy. You're welcome to follow my blog and contact me in two months....

  • #38
  • Sep 24, 2017 2:53pm Sep 24, 2017 2:53pm
Quoting alphaomega
This offer makes no sense! If a trader can make consistently 400 pips every month with no more than 2 open positions - he doesn't need any capital! With 400 pips this trader will create his own capital in no time. Starting with just $100 With 20:1 leverage 400 pips per month => over $35K after 12 months. With 30:1 leverage 400 pips per month => over $265K after 12 months.
Can you explain more? How it can be achieved with $100
  • #39
  • Sep 24, 2017 2:54pm Sep 24, 2017 2:54pm
Quoting Tradingwithw
Simnz, Perhaps you should start slower- you wont likely find even 10 traders on Forex Factory that offer ALL of the below criteria (much less what you are asking for): Demo/Live account that is 3 months of age and is visible and/or without "custom start" the whole time Demo/Live account that is profitable (never-mind the +400 pips part*) Draw down of less than 20% on account, and 5% per trade *the pips will not matter, as pips are worth a different amount depending on the lot size. eg. someone accumulating ten pips worth $100 apiece is making more...
first normal replay in whole thread.
i see only negative people here and pesimist. how in world they can make any profit with that attitude. and they say 50000$ is small for trading as capital in next 2 years???
with that capital i can make money for investor and my self to bye house car and much more without any preassure. until now i had worked on 1000 account and its very hard when u see trade in 40 pips positve but its 16 $.. psihologicaly its hard
on 50000$ account with same laverage 4 its 2 lost 40 pips its 800 bucks a trade compare it to 16 $ and u will see the difference
people be positive what u think is what u get
u dont know who is the person who writes from other side and u dont know for whom he works so why u must think negative. just try to think positive and u will get what u want instead of constantly thinking negative and getting the opposite of what you want
  • #40
  • Sep 24, 2017 3:04pm Sep 24, 2017 3:04pm
so i need to post my strategy - thats ok i will soon
what about demo account can i chose broker amount laverage or i get preopened account
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