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  • #21
  • Aug 16, 2017 12:00pm Aug 16, 2017 12:00pm
Quoting Fbird
{quote} This is not my understanding. For ilustration purposes, let's imagine you enter into a hedge with a 10%DD. To get out of it and to get your 1% return, you will need a move up or down of 11% (your 10% locked loss + your 1% return), which means a move of 220 pips. If you are in a ranging period, it is likely probable that you will get another hedge, which would stack another locked loss, and would indeed need a stronger trend to get out. For example: 1st hedge: 10% DD, move to get out: 11% or 220 pips. 2nd hedge: 7%DD. Total DD: 17%. Move...
Please look at it 4 and 5 post.
No 2nd hedge only 1. Maximum 3 open position, after EA close all position with a positive profit.
Please look at the explorer constantly.
There was something wrong with the demo account, EA close position. / it is not good
Live account not close position. / it is good.
I seek what happened.
  • #22
  • Aug 16, 2017 12:29pm Aug 16, 2017 12:29pm
When trying to force a certain percentage of return out of the market, it doesn't usually end well from what I've seen. The market gives and the market takes, but it makes no guarantees. I believe in taking what the market gives.
  • #23
  • Aug 16, 2017 12:37pm Aug 16, 2017 12:37pm
I most likely found the mistake.
Each closes a screen saver for EA.
It looks like the balance and lot has been written to zero.
Because of this EA has issued an order, that if profit is greater than zero, it will close.
I will modify EA, to not allow this error anymore. This error is terminal error, not EA.
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  • #24
  • Aug 16, 2017 2:44pm Aug 16, 2017 2:44pm
Quoting Fbird
{quote} Thanks Vanostrade ! I understand you add a new trade each day until your basket gets profitable. Seems a great strategy in trending period, but I'm afraid you will hit margin call during ranging. Each hedge means 10/15% DD, whereas you need each time a stronger trend to get out of the hedge. What will happen if you get 5 hedges opened ? See ranging period herebelow. Whenever I got time will backtest that period, but my guess is you get margin called: {image}
Hi,
I download 2008 data. Please see my pictures.
It is not important which day you are start.
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  • #25
  • Aug 16, 2017 3:02pm Aug 16, 2017 3:02pm
Quoting Fbird
{quote} Thanks Vanostrade ! I understand you add a new trade each day until your basket gets profitable. Seems a great strategy in trending period, but I'm afraid you will hit margin call during ranging. Each hedge means 10/15% DD, whereas you need each time a stronger trend to get out of the hedge. What will happen if you get 5 hedges opened ? See ranging period herebelow. Whenever I got time will backtest that period, but my guess is you get margin called: {image}
Please download my indicator (ind_DHDL-ex4) and use your chart.
Set parameter: How many days do I draw back? (30) more than 1000 day, (after when not see the 2008, change only 30 day, because the terminal will slow down to many objects)
and you will see that no problem the ranging market.
For me good that trend,
For me good that range.

But you are right for yourself too! I found a period, that would have caused the EA a problem.
As development is not complete. I'm working on the solution.
  • #26
  • Aug 16, 2017 11:19pm Aug 16, 2017 11:19pm
Good morning everybody
We have 2 situation
Here is the Demo after the mistake
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  • #27
  • Aug 16, 2017 11:20pm Aug 16, 2017 11:20pm
and here is the Live.... here is no mistake
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  • #28
  • Aug 16, 2017 11:29pm Aug 16, 2017 11:29pm
and here is the supposition for tomorrow...
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  • #29
  • Aug 16, 2017 11:36pm Aug 16, 2017 11:36pm
And another assumption, if today price go up
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  • #30
  • Aug 17, 2017 1:23am Aug 17, 2017 1:23am
Hello Everybody !

If you have question , you will write it . But in short sentences , because not my native language the English .

Thank you.
Have a nice day.
  • #31
  • Aug 17, 2017 4:35am Aug 17, 2017 4:35am
Quoting vanostrade
{quote} Please look at it 4 and 5 post. No 2nd hedge only 1. Maximum 3 open position, after EA close all position with a positive profit. Please look at the explorer constantly. There was something wrong with the demo account, EA close position. / it is not good Live account not close position. / it is good. I seek what happened.
Thank you for your explanations Vanostrade. Still I do not understand how you exit of the hedge. If I look at your chart in post 4, I see:

1st sell at 109.85
1st buy at 110.82
2nd sell at 110.62

All trades are closed at 110.5, so for me, the trade is: -65 -32 + 10 = -87 pips.

Obviously, there is something that I don't understand....
  • #32
  • Edited 5:03am Aug 17, 2017 4:51am | Edited 5:03am
Quoting Fbird
{quote} Thank you for your explanations Vanostrade. Still I do not understand how you exit of the hedge. If I look at your chart in post 4, I see: 1st sell at 109.85 1st buy at 110.82 2nd sell at 110.62 All trades are closed at 110.5, so for me, the trade is: -65 -32 + 10 = -87 pips. Obviously, there is something that I don't understand....
1st sell at 109.85 if lot 0.1 profit 10 * 0,0912 * -65 = -59,28
1st buy at 110.82 lot 0.1 profit 10 * 0,0912 * -32 = -29,184
These two are always the same lot.
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-88,464


In this case
2nd sell at 110.62 lot 1.45 profit 145 * 0,0912 * 10 = +132,24

and the summa 132,24 - 88,464 = +43,776
here is the profit.
  • #33
  • Aug 17, 2017 5:08am Aug 17, 2017 5:08am
Quoting vanostrade
{quote} 1st sell at 109.85 if lot 0.1 profit 10 * 0,0912 * -65 = -59,28 1st buy at 110.82 lot 0.1 profit 10 * 0,0912 * -32 = -29,184 These two are always the same lot. ---------------- -88,464 In this case 2nd sell at 110.62 lot 1.45 profit 145 * 0,0912 * 10 = +132,24 and the summa 132,24 - 88,464 = +43,776 here is the profit.
Understood. So, you are using martingale on the third trade. The point is: how will you exit if the third trade is triggered but reverse before reaching TP ? Are you using a global close at - xxxx% DD ?
  • #34
  • Aug 17, 2017 5:50am Aug 17, 2017 5:50am
Quoting Fbird
{quote} Understood. So, you are using martingale on the third trade. The point is: how will you exit if the third trade is triggered but reverse before reaching TP ? Are you using a global close at - xxxx% DD ?
i think his 3rd trade considers total drawdown of the hedge, then adjust lot size to open that 3rd trade to reach total +20 pips.
if position reverse, then it is still total +20 pips on other side, the position at 3rd open is neutral the moment, with the difference between being the carried and locked drawdown.

i might be wrong, but will be happy to clarify this for you when i have a chance
there is always, always another trade!!
  • #35
  • Aug 17, 2017 6:09am Aug 17, 2017 6:09am
I've modified it on the indicator.
Indicator turn on automatic, show the Objectum descriptions.
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  • #36
  • Aug 17, 2017 6:36am Aug 17, 2017 6:36am
Quoting profitfarmer
{quote} i think his 3rd trade considers total drawdown of the hedge, then adjust lot size to open that 3rd trade to reach total +20 pips. if position reverse, then it is still total +20 pips on other side, the position at 3rd open is neutral the moment, with the difference between being the carried and locked drawdown. i might be wrong, but will be happy to clarify this for you when i have a chance
Hi Profitfarmer,

Vanostrade is using BIG martingale number to recover from the hedge. In his example, for 0.1 lot entered in the hedge, he is using 1.45 lot in the third trade. If it turns against him, he would obviously need a safety SL based on overall DD (40/50%) or the account could be wipped. Additionally, I would not recommand entering into a third trade on Friday to avoid killing gap with such a martingale scheme.
  • #37
  • Aug 17, 2017 3:33pm Aug 17, 2017 3:33pm
Hi Everybody!
It's late, I do not wait any longer. This is what I expect tomorrow.
Good night!!
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  • #38
  • Aug 18, 2017 1:34am Aug 18, 2017 1:34am
Good morning!
If it had been open here, it would now have closed the 3 positions in profit. I need to modify the program code.
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  • #39
  • Aug 18, 2017 1:45am Aug 18, 2017 1:45am
In that situation I decided to stop the robot. Then I'll start it on Sunday night. There is no problem. Hedge is open.
It looks good, if the robot worked well, the rescue was successful. : )
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  • #40
  • Aug 18, 2017 1:47am Aug 18, 2017 1:47am
I only live account stop the EA, on demo account working continuously.
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