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  • #641
  • Sep 14, 2006 1:17am Sep 14, 2006 1:17am
Quoting howard
Hi Hendrick

Thanks a lot for all your efforts and sharing.
Could you tell me what the latest version of phoenix is so far and what the link for download is.

On the first page we only have version 1; you mentioned at some stage that all versions would be posted on the first page which is a great idea. Thanks again.

Howard
Howard,

versions of firebird are available at Accrete's website.
  • #642
  • Sep 17, 2006 11:53am Sep 17, 2006 11:53am
An update on the progress of the developing the latest version of <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:City w:st="on"><st1lace w:st="on">Phoenix</st1lace></st1:City>. <st1:City w:st="on"><st1lace w:st="on">Phoenix</st1lace></st1:City> versions 1 and 2 were not performing to well. <st1:City w:st="on"><st1lace w:st="on">Phoenix</st1lace></st1:City> 3 was a disaster. <st1:City w:st="on"><st1lace w:st="on">Phoenix</st1lace></st1:City> 4… well I think we’re getting somewhere. First I tried to make some kind of universal EA. Useful for all pairs and for all times. It was no success: pairs are different and their behavior will change during the course of time. I have seen some good EA’s that performs excellent in the beginning but failed after some time. The cause of this in my onion is that tweaking an EA is always a thing of the past. It will act according the backtests for some time, but there will always be a change in the future and the EA with the “old” settings will fail.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o></o>

<o> </o>

At the moment I’m not capable to make an EA that will adjust itself. I’m still studying the subject and who knows, maybe version 5 will have some AI built in.<o></o>

<o> </o>

<st1:City w:st="on"><st1lace w:st="on">Phoenix</st1lace></st1:City> 4 will come with the right settings for 12 pairs. You may expect that most pairs will act according these settings for the next 4 weeks. After that the settings for some pairs have to change. Don’t worry I will post the new settings ever 4 weeks.<o></o>

<o> </o>

I need just a little bit mote time to make <st1:City w:st="on"><st1lace w:st="on">Phoenix</st1lace></st1:City> 4 available to “the public”. To get an impression I’ve enclosed some backtests.<o></o>
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File Type: zip PH4_TESTS_6M.zip   65 KB | 316 downloads
  • #643
  • Sep 17, 2006 7:50pm Sep 17, 2006 7:50pm
There he is. What's been happening? Phoenix looks to be getting a little closer all the time brother Hendrick. "Free your mind and the rest will follow." I put some more shrimp on barbie this weekend and this time I had company ;-)

I'm trying to put together a range breakout thingy, getting a little friendlier with MQL little by little. Hope the live trading has been treating you well. Good to 'hear' from you....
  • #644
  • Sep 18, 2006 8:28am Sep 18, 2006 8:28am
Hi, Hendrick. Finally, you're back!
The backtesting results look awesome! I really look forward to v.4.x!
  • #645
  • Sep 18, 2006 12:00pm Sep 18, 2006 12:00pm
Quoting Palmer
There he is. What's been happening? Phoenix looks to be getting a little closer all the time brother Hendrick. "Free your mind and the rest will follow." I put some more shrimp on barbie this weekend and this time I had company ;-)

I'm trying to put together a range breakout thingy, getting a little friendlier with MQL little by little. Hope the live trading has been treating you well. Good to 'hear' from you....
Hey Palmer!,

And.. how was your company?? I bet she liked the shrimps! I will send you the beta of Phoenix 4 this weekend. Hope you will help me testing. Until now it's doing very well. See you buddy!
  • #646
  • Sep 18, 2006 12:08pm Sep 18, 2006 12:08pm
Quoting tradeigel
Hi, Hendrick. Finally, you're back!
The backtesting results look awesome! I really look forward to v.4.x!
Hi Tradeigel!!

You are really a loyal visitor of this thread! If you agree I will send you the beta version of Phoenix 4 this weekend. I think I have your e-mail address, but to be certain please PM me this one more time. I think you and Palmer can help me to find the right settings before I post the final version in this thread.
  • #647
  • Sep 18, 2006 12:43pm Sep 18, 2006 12:43pm
Quoting Hendrick
An update on the progress of the developing the latest version of <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:City w:st="on"><st1lace w:st="on">Phoenix</st1lace></st1:City>. <st1:City w:st="on"><st1lace w:st="on">Phoenix</st1lace></st1:City> versions 1 and 2 were not performing to well. <st1:City w:st="on"><st1lace w:st="on">Phoenix</st1lace></st1:City> 3 was a disaster. <st1:City w:st="on"><st1lace w:st="on">Phoenix</st1lace></st1:City> 4… well I think we’re getting somewhere. First I tried to make some kind of universal EA. Useful for all pairs and for all times. It was no success: pairs are different and their behavior will change during the course of time. I have seen some good EA’s that performs excellent in the beginning but failed after some time. The cause of this in my onion is that tweaking an EA is always a thing of the past. It will act according the backtests for some time, but there will always be a change in the future and the EA with the “old” settings will fail.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o></o>

<o></o>

At the moment I’m not capable to make an EA that will adjust itself. I’m still studying the subject and who knows, maybe version 5 will have some AI built in.<o></o>

<o></o>

<st1:City w:st="on"><st1lace w:st="on">Phoenix</st1lace></st1:City> 4 will come with the right settings for 12 pairs. You may expect that most pairs will act according these settings for the next 4 weeks. After that the settings for some pairs have to change. Don’t worry I will post the new settings ever 4 weeks.<o></o>

<o></o>

I need just a little bit mote time to make <st1:City w:st="on"><st1lace w:st="on">Phoenix</st1lace></st1:City> 4 available to “the public”. To get an impression I’ve enclosed some backtests.<o></o>
Hendrick,

I like your approach to auto-trading and if there's anything I can do to help developlent, research, demoing or just some grunt work, please advise. Don't know if this is applicable to your project, I've done some work on auto adjusting EA.

Wackena
  • #648
  • Sep 18, 2006 1:09pm Sep 18, 2006 1:09pm
It was the first date me cook dinner for her thing. I'm pretty good in the kitchen so she was impressed with that one. Either way we had a good time and I'm pretty sure there will be a second date. In addition to the grilled shrimp there was saute'd scallops in a five cheese casserol, grilled red peppers and steamed asparagus topped with Parmasan cheese along with a nice bottle of Chianti. I'll PM you the dessert recipe, gotta keep that one a secret...
  • #649
  • Sep 18, 2006 1:47pm Sep 18, 2006 1:47pm
Once the P4 is available, i will also forward test on several pairs as i've got plenty of horsepower to go around. Currently have 5MT4 copies running various pairs. I absolutely believe AutoTrading is here to stay. And so far FB/Phoenix are the winners when a bit of time-filtering of trading action is in the mix. . .

Also Hendrick, if you will let me know if it is ok to post the P4 once available at the resource page i can get that up there along with anything else you feel might help with understanding the model.

Cheers,
Thom
  • #650
  • Sep 18, 2006 3:58pm Sep 18, 2006 3:58pm
Accrete, you've done a great job with all the Firebird resources. Thanks for your help.


I've been testing so many versions and settings of Firebird I'm just about crazy now. But I really look forward to a new version of Phoenix. I've got a couple of spare platforms ready to rock and roll (test that is) right now!
Don Life is expensive, but includes a free trip around the sun.
  • #651
  • Sep 18, 2006 10:23pm Sep 18, 2006 10:23pm
traderone, thx for the kudos...it's all fun.

On the testing, i can feel your pain. Haha. My hard drive is filling up with all the statements from various tests. I've got lots of crazy EA names like 63gH03ind, 65tf15m and stuff like that just to try to keep things straight. Won't it be grand when the dust settles and we find ourselves making some consistent pips?

Cheers,
Thom
  • #652
  • Sep 19, 2006 3:08am Sep 19, 2006 3:08am
Quoting Hendrick
An update on the progress of the developing the latest version of <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:City w:st="on"><st1lace w:st="on">Phoenix</st1lace></st1:City>. <st1:City w:st="on"><st1lace w:st="on">Phoenix</st1lace></st1:City> versions 1 and 2 were not performing to well. <st1:City w:st="on"><st1lace w:st="on">Phoenix</st1lace></st1:City> 3 was a disaster. <st1:City w:st="on"><st1lace w:st="on">Phoenix</st1lace></st1:City> 4… well I think we’re getting somewhere. First I tried to make some kind of universal EA. Useful for all pairs and for all times. It was no success: pairs are different and their behavior will change during the course of time. I have seen some good EA’s that performs excellent in the beginning but failed after some time. The cause of this in my onion is that tweaking an EA is always a thing of the past. It will act according the backtests for some time, but there will always be a change in the future and the EA with the “old” settings will fail.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o></o>

<o></o>

At the moment I’m not capable to make an EA that will adjust itself. I’m still studying the subject and who knows, maybe version 5 will have some AI built in.<o></o>

<o></o>

<st1:City w:st="on"><st1lace w:st="on">Phoenix</st1lace></st1:City> 4 will come with the right settings for 12 pairs. You may expect that most pairs will act according these settings for the next 4 weeks. After that the settings for some pairs have to change. Don’t worry I will post the new settings ever 4 weeks.<o></o>

<o></o>

I need just a little bit mote time to make <st1:City w:st="on"><st1lace w:st="on">Phoenix</st1lace></st1:City> 4 available to “the public”. To get an impression I’ve enclosed some backtests.<o></o>

Hi Hendrick

Once again thank you for all the work you have in hand.
I have 2 versions of FB and the previous version of Phoenix running alongside each other and await Ph4 to be added as well.
keep up the good job.

Regards

howard
Regards
  • #653
  • Sep 19, 2006 8:51am Sep 19, 2006 8:51am
So far so good. First results forward test Phoenix 4.
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  • #654
  • Sep 19, 2006 9:00am Sep 19, 2006 9:00am
Nice Hendrick! Will Phoenix 4 work on a mini account with starting capital of $600?

Quoting Hendrick
So far so good. First results forward test Phoenix 4.
  • #655
  • Sep 19, 2006 9:01am Sep 19, 2006 9:01am
Hendrick,

Glad to see the promising test results. Keep up the good work. It is appreciated.
  • #656
  • Sep 19, 2006 12:32pm Sep 19, 2006 12:32pm
What is <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:City w:st="on"><st1lace w:st="on">Phoenix</st1lace></st1:City> 4 all about? In the first place it has nothing to do with Firebird (so please don’t discuss Firebird in this thread) and secondly it’s completely different from <st1:City w:st="on"><st1lace w:st="on">Phoenix</st1lace></st1:City> 1, 2 and 3.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o></o>

<o> </o>

For <st1:City w:st="on"><st1lace w:st="on">Phoenix</st1lace></st1:City> 4 I’ve tried a different approach: whatever strategy you are using, they have all one thing in common: you’re studying the past in order to predict the future. <st1:City w:st="on"><st1lace w:st="on">Phoenix</st1lace></st1:City> 4 is not different from that, only with one exception: optimum settings! With optimum settings I mean a special mix between, Number of Trades, Net Profit and Maximal Drawdown. When you have found these settings for lets say the last 6 months and you have a smooth upwards curve (the past) you may expect that for the coming weeks (the future) this upwards curve will continue and the EA will make more winners than losers. And that’s what we want an EA to do! <o></o>

<o> </o>

A lot of EA’s I’ve seen had the same problems: fixed settings that worked for the past but if the settings will not be adjusted the EA will fail sometime in the future ( Firebird is an example of this).<o></o>

<o> </o>

On all the forums there is a lot of talking about the “holy grail”. In my opinion Metatrader with its ability to make Experts Advisors, is the grail and you only have to make the right EA with the right settings (and adjust them in time!) to make it a “ holy grail”. <o></o>

<o> </o>

One thing I’ve discovered is, that by tweaking the settings of an EA you are able to discover strategies you have never heard of before! These are all new strategies and only possible to discover by using Metatrader!

If you are back testing you have the possibility to open a chart after testing. I did it several times for <st1:City w:st="on"><st1lace w:st="on">Phoenix</st1lace></st1:City> 4 and it showed me nothing! It was a complete mess! But still it has this straight upwards curve and <st1:City w:st="on"><st1lace w:st="on">Phoenix</st1lace></st1:City> 4 made a lot of money in these 6 months. How is this possible? It’s possible because there are a lot more of strategies in Forex than taught in all these Forex-books and you have now the possibility to discover these strategies by using the power of your PC and the Expert Advisors of Metatrader!<o></o>
<o> </o>

Ok this is my point, so now you can shoot at it.<o></o>

<o> </o>

Let me give some examples: I’m using a TP=42 and a SL=84 for all pairs (I will explain later why I’m doing this) and nowhere in <st1:City w:st="on"><st1lace w:st="on">Phoenix</st1lace></st1:City> 4 have I programmed something like resistance and support lines. But if I’m looking at my open trades, I see that SL and TP are functioning as support and resistance lines. Weird, not? So it seems that the EA has made its own strategy. Stay tuned and more tomorrow! I think we can have a lot of fun with <st1:City w:st="on"><st1lace w:st="on">Phoenix</st1lace></st1:City> 4!!<o></o>
  • #657
  • Sep 19, 2006 12:56pm Sep 19, 2006 12:56pm
[quote][So it seems that the EA has made its own strategy/QUOTE]

So have you given Phoenix 4 its own basic AI or its just done it by itself.

Looking forward to the "fun" with P4
  • #658
  • Sep 19, 2006 1:28pm Sep 19, 2006 1:28pm
Quoting sinclap
Nice Hendrick! Will Phoenix 4 work on a mini account with starting capital of $600?
Hi Sinclap

It should be working fine on a mini account, but I have to test the code for that on a live account.
  • #659
  • Sep 19, 2006 1:34pm Sep 19, 2006 1:34pm
[quote=raven]
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[So it seems that the EA has made its own strategy/QUOTE]
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So have you given Phoenix 4 its own basic AI or its just done it by itself.

Looking forward to the "fun" with P4

By adjusting the settings for a pair you eventually will end up with "the perfect upward curve" and that's what you may call the ultimate strategy for this pair (for a limited time span!!). It seems to work!
  • #660
  • Sep 19, 2006 1:58pm Sep 19, 2006 1:58pm
Hello Hendrick ..

I just want to say THANX a lot for what u r giving us & we hope Phoenix 4 become the greatest & we'r waiting for it .. God be with you .

Thanx Man .
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