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  • #1
  • First Post: Edited 11:20pm Aug 6, 2017 9:44am | Edited 11:20pm
Does anybody feel like they are slowly morphing into a sociopath?
Not exactly a great thing. But essentially, aren't sociopathic traits "sought for" in this field?
  • #2
  • Aug 6, 2017 9:49am Aug 6, 2017 9:49am
Quoting Ganative
Does anybody feel like they are a sociopath... or slowly turning into a sociopath because of trading? Essentially, aren't sociopathic traits sought for in this field?
no.
if you get such feelings, see a doctor!!
there is always, always another trade!!
  • #3
  • Aug 6, 2017 10:18am Aug 6, 2017 10:18am
No -- That feeling is reserved for politicians
Live today like theres no tomorrow-- Prioritize like you will die today
  • #4
  • Aug 6, 2017 10:19am Aug 6, 2017 10:19am
Quoting Ganative
Does anybody feel like they are a sociopath... or slowly turning into a sociopath because of trading? Essentially, aren't sociopathic traits "sought for" in this field?
Not at all.

By my knowledge, you have control over your own act. So you can change your act to being nice. No one else can.

You dont have to be a sociopath to do anything in life.
  • #5
  • Aug 6, 2017 12:35pm Aug 6, 2017 12:35pm
Quoting Ganative
Does anybody feel like they are a sociopath... or slowly turning into a sociopath because of trading? Essentially, aren't sociopathic traits "sought for" in this field?
a REAL sociopath would never even entertain that thought....because " Frankly, they don't give a Damn"
  • #6
  • Aug 6, 2017 1:01pm Aug 6, 2017 1:01pm
probably not sociopath as some sort of a psych condition, but becoming a profitable trader requires thousands of hours of learning, thinking and practicing. You have to take those thousands of hours from somewhere. We live in a very fast times where a 24 hour day is just not enough to cover all possible activities at 100%, incl. good social life. you most probably wont take those many hours from the job that you had, because you need money to live and to put aside for trading, or wont take them from your school or university or your closest relatives/family and other very personal activities, so you are forced to become a little bit antisocial if you want to make this... it is sad but inevitable. and so goes for many other jobs.
  • #7
  • Aug 6, 2017 1:43pm Aug 6, 2017 1:43pm
most traders especially when they start making money become sociopaths

cold hearted ,selfish, self absorbed, the world revolves around me, motherfuckers with a god complex

later on...life humbles you to your kness
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  • #8
  • Aug 6, 2017 2:54pm Aug 6, 2017 2:54pm
Quoting avibe
most traders especially when they start making money become sociopaths cold hearted ,selfish, self absorbed, the world revolves around me, motherfuckers with a god complex later on...life humbles you to your kness
It's because they feel like elite hackers.
  • #9
  • Edited 7:22pm Aug 6, 2017 6:50pm | Edited 7:22pm
Being a sociopath does not really mean you "have no emotions" but rather you are in complete, 100% control of your emotions. Meaning when you feel angry, sad, happy, frustrated, or whatever, you can easily shove it down and tune it out whenever you please. Sociopaths can shut out any emotion that they basically do not want to feel. It's like there is an internal switch that they can just flip off or on when they "want" to feel an emotion.
Lacking empathy for others and feeling detached from everybody else does not necessarily mean you are a selfish, self absorbed asshole who only cares about nothing but profits (in regards to trading). I guess it really depends on how you go about it. Because you can definitely be a sociopath but still a decent human being... like of course you still have a conscious. You simply just don't care for others, and that's completely fine. It sounds like I'm justifying it but honestly aren't a majority of people "selfish" because everybody is taught to care about yourself the most before worrying about others? It's human nature to have compassion for others, but it's also human nature to have absolutely zero compassion for others as well.
  • #10
  • Aug 6, 2017 7:49pm Aug 6, 2017 7:49pm
Quoting Ganative
Being a sociopath does not really mean you "have no emotions" but rather you are in complete, 100% control of your emotions. Meaning when you feel angry, sad, happy, frustrated, or whatever, you can easily shove it down and tune it out whenever you please. Sociopaths can shut out any emotion that they basically do not want to feel. It's like there is an internal switch that they can just flip off or on when they "want" to feel an emotion. Lacking empathy for others and feeling detached from everybody else does not necessarily mean you are a selfish,...
if you think these traits are desirable , you are self deluded as they come . best of luck to the people in your life

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  • #11
  • Edited Aug 7, 2017 10:01am Aug 6, 2017 7:56pm | Edited Aug 7, 2017 10:01am
Quoting avibe
{quote} if you think these traits are desirable , you are self deluded as they come . best of luck to the people in your life {image}
Man... where did I say it was desirable at all? Lol I have a normal social life, I don't know about you. Originally, I was asking if people feel like they are developing traits of a sociopath at all because of trading... it is a very logical question, is it not? IF trading effects how emotionless people really get, then it is inevitable in the end. Meaning, if you want to succeed in the markets then you must have no emotions. Which also entails that it will most definitely, without a doubt effect your personal life... you are aware that FX trading will consume your whole entire life right? If you take it seriously, then yeah it will. And of course what you do as an occupation/work will become your life, that's just how it is.

Like you said, traders who first start to become profitable are very self absorbed and cold hearted... but later in life, they are humbled. That makes sense, but if you are already a humble person at heart, then surely the outcome of being a successful trader won't effect who you really are at all. Or does it? ... that's my question.

The whole point of this thread was because I am curious if trading IS changing people into sociopathic assfaces, even the slightest. Like there's nothing bad with being honest either lol
  • #12
  • Aug 6, 2017 11:40pm Aug 6, 2017 11:40pm
Quoting Ganative
{quote} Man... where did I say it was desirable at all? Lol I have a normal social life, I don't know about you. Originally, I was asking if people feel like they are sociopathic at all because of trading... it is a very logical question. IF trading effects how emotionless people really get, then it is inevitable in the end. But if you do not have a sociopathic personality at heart but the traits are triggered by the effects of trading then you can certainly learn to maneuver with the new traits and still be a decent human being, and not a selfish...

psychology is bullc**p IMO (sorry admin).. as long as you don't break the law and you're capable of feeling happy most of the time you are "normal".
  • #13
  • Aug 6, 2017 11:55pm Aug 6, 2017 11:55pm
Quoting HeyYou
{quote} psychology is bullc**p IMO (sorry admin).. as long as you don't break the law and you're capable of feeling happy most of the time you are "normal".
Haha interesting, do you believe that therapy is bullshit? (You can bash the hell out of the concept of therapy if you want, I have no opinion on it)

Maybe you are boasting and saying that because you are one of the few who have a strong mindset. A lot of people are weak minded and can't understand the significance of adapting... so they don't succeed. Not everybody can trade.
  • #14
  • Edited 12:39am Aug 7, 2017 12:09am | Edited 12:39am
Quoting Ganative
{quote} Haha interesting, do you believe that therapy is bullshit? (You can bash the hell out of the concept of therapy if you want, I have no opinion on it) Maybe you are boasting and saying that because you are one of the few who have a strong mindset. A lot of people are weak minded and can't understand the significance of adapting... so they don't succeed. Not everybody can trade.
there's no "weak mind" IMO.. to have a chance to succeed in life you need to be yourself,meditation helps not medication. once you get to know yourself, simply find something that works for you. Eg. I trade with no sl or I use mg.. many people would say it does not work but who gives a f**k.
  • #15
  • Aug 7, 2017 12:44am Aug 7, 2017 12:44am
After going fulltime, I felt rather like turning into a socially disabled person than a sociopat. I am reading forums like this only to have an illusion of 'colleagues'.
  • #16
  • Aug 7, 2017 1:02am Aug 7, 2017 1:02am
Absolutely not...Through trading I have a lot more time for my girl and friends...I love going out and spending time with other people, it's a good compensation to trading.
"Men Who Can Both Be Right & Sit Tight Are Uncommon" ~ Jesse Livermore
  • #17
  • Aug 7, 2017 1:16am Aug 7, 2017 1:16am
Quoting Halley
After going fulltime, I felt rather like turning into a socially disabled person than a sociopat. I am reading forums like this only to have an illusion of 'colleagues'.
how long have you been a full time trader ?

Although I don't make a living off of trading, all my waking hours are strictly dedicated to trading including "sometimes" while I'm asleep. I don't know if I'm going to be able to continue this kind of lifestyle and would still be happy 10 years down the line even if I started making actual money. Money doesn't dictate over everything in life, especially happiness and fulfilment. I don't regret going into trading in any way shape or form. And if it's going to make me money I'd gladly accept it. But 10 or 20years down the line (I'm still in my 20s) would I be happy and fulfilled with my life ? I think I would like to do something tangible, something actually of use to society down the road than spending all my waking hours in front of a computer. Anyone with me ?
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  • #18
  • Aug 7, 2017 1:26am Aug 7, 2017 1:26am
We're all already 'sociopaths'. It just comes down to how aware of it you are, how far along you are, and how willing you are to keep your empathy on. A person who is self-aware and capable of controlling their own emotions could easily be considered a 'sociopath' to others. Natural sociopaths and psychopaths with low empathy consider it an impairment because they believe the individual is of the utmost importance. I disagree; that's an immature sociopath who's wrapped up in their own narcissism and is actually afraid of being vulnerable. They understand very well how to manipulate emotions and are terrified of letting themselves be manipulated. A mature sociopath understands that while being entirely self-serving is an option... empathy is what makes the world more enjoyable and less boring. Being emotionally 'vulnerable' isn't stupid; it's a sacrifice and a risk but the only way to obtain certain rewards. Actual strength comes from being able to endure the slings and arrows of outrageous misfortune. I doubt you'll find a sociopath who obtains wisdom and is as miserably alone in their old age as they were in their youth. Life will eventually temper them down a bit when they realize that they have cravings that can't be sated through self-serving means.

With that said, yes, a certain level of sociopathic traits are quite beneficial for trading and probably necessary. It may be one of the more difficult hurdles for many traders.
"The fun is in the hunt. Not the kill."
  • #19
  • Aug 7, 2017 1:36am Aug 7, 2017 1:36am
Quoting Piquant
{quote} how long have you been a full time trader ? Although I don't make a living off of trading, all my waking hours are strictly dedicated to trading including "sometimes" while I'm asleep. I don't know if I'm going to be able to continue this kind of lifestyle and would still be happy 10 years down the line even if I started making actual money. Money doesn't dictate over everything in life, especially happiness and fulfilment. I don't regret going into trading in any way shape or form. And if it's going to make me money I'd gladly accept it....
Life is a long time (with hope). Trading is just a stepping stone in one way or another. You'll probably never be able to just give it up but I doubt you'll be satisfied wasting your entire life to acquire more numbers, paper-pulp, or whatever it is you consider money to be just for the sake of acquiring it. You'll either become an entrepreneur and philanthropist or switch trading into a hobby and pursue something more interesting. Anyone that wastes their entire life trading just for the sake of trading and making more money truly has my pity.
"The fun is in the hunt. Not the kill."
  • #20
  • Aug 7, 2017 3:03am Aug 7, 2017 3:03am
Quoting Redeflect
{quote} Life is a long time (with hope). Trading is just a stepping stone in one way or another. You'll probably never be able to just give it up but I doubt you'll be satisfied wasting your entire life to acquire more numbers, paper-pulp, or whatever it is you consider money to be just for the sake of acquiring it. You'll either become an entrepreneur and philanthropist or switch trading into a hobby and pursue something more interesting. Anyone that wastes their entire life trading just for the sake of trading and making more money truly has my...
If I was say in my 50s or 60s done everything possible under the sun and contributed my share and fully content with things the way they are I probably would have traded happily for the remainder of my life. But for 20 somethings or even 30 somethings life is just too rich to give it all up and focus on trading usually from home in your pyjamas with little to no human interaction with the outside world from Monday through Friday. Too much sacrifice for younger people who want to explore different paths in life. You're right, I wouldn't be able to give it up completely but would want to do something else (like I said something of use to the society/humanity other than just printing money (trading that is))
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