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  • #1
  • First Post: Jul 11, 2017 9:39am Jul 11, 2017 9:39am
Hi,

From this http://www.businessinsider.com/top-2...er-list-2016-1

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Very few hedge funds have had 100% returns since inception.Seem strange or would you consider this true?

Are there not Hedge funds that make 50% a year ect.?

From this :

Ray Dalio made 55% since inception ie 42 years
Soros made 125% in about the same time

Am I understanding this correctly ?
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  • #2
  • Jul 11, 2017 9:46am Jul 11, 2017 9:46am
Quoting GingerBoloks
From this : Ray Dalio made 55% since inception ie 42 years
How did you calculate that?
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  • #3
  • Jul 11, 2017 9:49am Jul 11, 2017 9:49am
Quoting michisuperfr
{quote} How did you calculate that?
AUM 82bn
Gain 45bn
Inception 1975

42 years they made 45bn on 82bn = 55%
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  • #4
  • Jul 11, 2017 12:38pm Jul 11, 2017 12:38pm
Quoting michisuperfr
{quote} How did you calculate that?
I think it should be more assuming AUM is current. $45B/(82.3B-45B)=1.206 or 120.6% over 43 years.
  • #5
  • Edited 4:29pm Jul 11, 2017 4:16pm | Edited 4:29pm
If you look up J. Schwager' market wizard books it should give you some insights about hedge fund returns, like Cohen, Kovner, P.T.Jones are in the books...
For Cohen, I believe the book says between 1992-2000 his fund made an annual nett gain of 45%....after fees...and the fees he was charging 50% profit!!!

AUM has little to do with the fund's return since inception, maybe to some extent reflect the current year/time at best.

OK, a link from 2010...
How hedge fund manager Steve Cohen averaged 30% returns for 18 years - Washington Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...042402802.html
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  • #6
  • Jul 12, 2017 6:03am Jul 12, 2017 6:03am
Quoting profitfarmer
If you look up J. Schwager' market wizard books it should give you some insights about hedge fund returns, like Cohen, Kovner, P.T.Jones are in the books... For Cohen, I believe the book says between 1992-2000 his fund made an annual nett gain of 45%....after fees...and the fees he was charging 50% profit!!! AUM has little to do with the fund's return since inception, maybe to some extent reflect the current year/time at best. OK, a link from 2010... How hedge fund manager Steve Cohen averaged 30% returns for 18 years - Washington Post http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...042402802.html...
This is more of what I expected

Thank you for posting
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  • #7
  • Jul 12, 2017 6:03am Jul 12, 2017 6:03am
Quoting Forthebulls
{quote} I think it should be more assuming AUM is current. $45B/(82.3B-45B)=1.206 or 120.6% over 43 years.
I see what you mean

Thank you
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  • #8
  • Edited 7:38am Jul 12, 2017 6:33am | Edited 7:38am
Quoting profitfarmer
If you look up J. Schwager' market wizard books it should give you some insights about hedge fund returns, like Cohen, Kovner, P.T.Jones are in the books... For Cohen, I believe the book says between 1992-2000 his fund made an annual nett gain of 45%....after fees...and the fees he was charging 50% profit!!! AUM has little to do with the fund's return since inception, maybe to some extent reflect the current year/time at best. OK, a link from 2010... How hedge fund manager Steve Cohen averaged 30% returns for 18 years - Washington Post http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...042402802.html...
bigger win share trading funds are near all insider funds. they win most of the money by buying insider informations for many millionen dollar, and have people in near all companies giving them this.
if you are big enough, you win alone by this informations with near 100% probability (only an extrem fast crash can kick you out your performance for a short period, thats all - and only a crash that did not come from faked bilances, this information you already have too....). if you have the money to pay for this informations, you dont trade you simplke invest in informations and by in line with this informations you bought.

many cant pay 10 mio for extrem informations, a billion dollar fund can, and smaller informations less. so the big wins each year are not that great if you know what they do and how easy it is to win with informations.

in this funds you dont have jobs for traders, you have it for people who know other people in other companies and have a big network. you dont need really traders, you dont need to hold you shares long time, you switch from one good chances to others , what ever informations you can get and spread out to many shares.

its same like big politicans in big company positions, they are useless for managing companies , but have a good connection, thatswhy they are payed, rest is only just to look like.
  • #9
  • Jul 12, 2017 7:23am Jul 12, 2017 7:23am
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  • #10
  • Jul 12, 2017 7:29am Jul 12, 2017 7:29am
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  • #11
  • Last Post: Jul 12, 2017 8:49am Jul 12, 2017 8:49am
Quoting cvds16
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at least your important information is doubled sended, i would have no take notice from this usefull part without this
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