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  • #21
  • Jul 6, 2017 8:57am Jul 6, 2017 8:57am
Quoting dukas_trader
{quote} haha, drawdown is for idiots. then i am biggest idiot, because all my strategies are calculated for this, all professionals i know are calculated for this, all traders in win are calculated for this. only not you, but why? because you are bad and no professionel or only a troll? you decide... by the way, i have 75-90% hit rate, but often not so easy to count because of many strategies used. i dont use any volume ( i am not this stupid level like you, using stupid thinks in forex market, when volume is only to see in little future market...

Arguing with an idiot is like playing chess with a pigeon, it doesn't matter how well you play the pigeon is still going to strut around, shit on the board and knock the pieces over before flying back to its flock to claim victory to its idiot pigeon friends
I live entirely from the growth of my personal trading account
  • #22
  • Jul 6, 2017 9:17am Jul 6, 2017 9:17am
Quoting WolGod
{quote} Lol i love it. Volume in spot market cant be used? Is that what youre saying? You at best make 2:1 a month at 45% probability come in be real. What control have you got over daily charts?? . I make 5-10:1 a day. YES a day. Banks/instos MUST facilitate trade everyday. I feel sorry for you. All that wrk on fibs and macds ehen the real game is much much simplier

thatswhy you have 1000 usd only always and lost all your money with trading again and again, because you dont know anything. such a loser, thinks spot market has shown volume. i really have laughed very big. clown from best.

like always, puny god is your nickname for ever.
  • #23
  • Edited 9:48am Jul 6, 2017 9:21am | Edited 9:48am
Quoting GuyBaker
{quote} Arguing with an idiot is like playing chess with a pigeon, it doesn't matter how well you play the pigeon is still going to strut around, shit on the board and knock the pieces over before flying back to its flock to claim victory to its idiot pigeon friends
true, i know he is an idiot, all 2-3 weeks he comes again, i discuss with him, all his arguments i destroy, he is crying like a girl and running away. after the time he comes again (because his trading losses was so high he lost so much and stopped trading) and repeats, cry and run away. always same with this little girl.

but this puny god girl is so funny, i like to be entertained with him or her. looks more like her, so much crying is not often seen and running away from a man."crucial point" was only member i remember who was also running away after he was shown his big mistakes and how big his problems are with market knowledge (sometimes his written down in articles style was ok in basics).
  • #24
  • Edited 9:46am Jul 6, 2017 9:24am | Edited 9:46am
Quoting WolGod
{quote} 15-60 billion? Lol holy shit you look stupid right now and btw when i say no drawdown. I mean no sitting around waiting. Yes of course theres drawdown. BIG Drawdown constantly - is idiocy.
whats much in 16-60 billion turnover in 1 year? if there would not be so much problems to put in money in the market without changing charts and recalculating to this points, it would be much more. thats not so much, some friends have 20 billion per month, but use much more margin and only scalpers.

its always funny that your starting knowledge (and you really have not at least basic knowledge about trading) blocks your reality.
  • #25
  • Jul 6, 2017 10:17am Jul 6, 2017 10:17am
Quoting dukas_trader
{quote} whats much in 16-60 billion turnover in 1 year? if there would not be so much problems to put in money in the market without changing charts and recalculating to this points, it would be much more. thats not so much, some friends have 20 billion per month, but use much more margin and only scalpers. its always funny that your starting knowledge (and you really have not at least basic knowledge about trading) blocks your reality.
reality??

so your personal net worth is billions is it?
  • #26
  • Jul 6, 2017 10:41am Jul 6, 2017 10:41am
Right now with my scalping strategies I make around $60-$70 net profit (after commissions) per 1 million traded. I use to make over $200 per mil, but the volatility these days is too low.
  • #27
  • Jul 6, 2017 10:43am Jul 6, 2017 10:43am
Quoting alphaomega
Right now with my scalping strategies I make around $60-$70 net profit (after commissions) per 1 million traded. I use to make over $200 per mil, but the volatility these days is too low.
1 pip average win is still ok for scalping. 1 mio trades are also ok, spread until 2 mill is quite fair. so you get very easy also 1 billion per month turnover, and can decrease commissions easy.
  • #28
  • Jul 6, 2017 10:48am Jul 6, 2017 10:48am
Quoting WolGod
{quote} reality?? so your personal net worth is billions is it?
you pure little man. you really have skills down under zero.

stop telling people about volume trading, its like a stupid frog quarks and know nothing.

you dont need billions to have billions turnover. maybe you really should learn basics, i cant help you always. its like a kid, and you are not my kid, so looking for other parents please.
  • #29
  • Jul 6, 2017 11:04am Jul 6, 2017 11:04am
Quoting dukas_trader
{quote} 1 pip average win is still ok for scalping. 1 mio trades are also ok, spread until 2 mill is quite fair. so you get very easy also 1 billion per month turnover, and can decrease commissions easy.
Yeah. The bad news is that there is a persistent trend with this low volatility. If the conditions continue to get worse, soon my broker will make more money than ME! That's the point where I will probably stop trading FX. The stock markets already provides better opportunities! Only in the US there are over 6000 stocks to chose. And with some of the small caps you can make crazy profits without any leverage.

The Forex market is dying slowly. At least until the next global financial crisis.
  • #30
  • Jul 6, 2017 11:24am Jul 6, 2017 11:24am
Quoting alphaomega
{quote} Yeah. The bad news is that there is a persistent trend with this low volatility. If the conditions continue to get worse, soon my broker will make more money than ME! That's the point where I will probably stop trading FX. The stock markets already provides better opportunities! Only in the US there are over 6000 stocks to chose. And with some of the small caps you can make crazy profits without any leverage. The Forex market is dying slowly. At least until the next global financial crisis.
but pennystocks have a lot of risk of manipulating. often only the manipulaters make a big win. or you speak about small cap shares?

of course, when only average win is 0,5 pip, the risk is higher then the wins and scalping get problems, but i dont have problem to pay many ten thousend per month fees for have enough win. brokers are only institutions to let you trade more easy, and for this the fee is ok.

but maybe its not only liquidity, maybe you did come to values, when you change market with your values. i cant say it without calculation, but often when i trained people in past, they got to the level when their own trading changed what they trade and need circle calculations to compensate it.
  • #31
  • Jul 6, 2017 5:05pm Jul 6, 2017 5:05pm
Quoting alphaomega
{quote} Yeah. The bad news is that there is a persistent trend with this low volatility. If the conditions continue to get worse, soon my broker will make more money than ME! That's the point where I will probably stop trading FX. The stock markets already provides better opportunities! Only in the US there are over 6000 stocks to chose. And with some of the small caps you can make crazy profits without any leverage. The Forex market is dying slowly. At least until the next global financial crisis.
?? Forex hasnt changed one bit. Currency trading is easily the best.

Dukas trade wtf are you on? Make billion dollars in a month gettin a pip here and there LOL.

$billion turnover? What maths are you using? Youre including Futures contracts arent you? Just talk real money will ya ya flog. Volume is everything the fact you cut trades for a pip and think thats good. No fing idea.

Forex markets havent changed one little bit. And they never will until they die if they ever did.

Liquidity on stocks is shite and the news is inside info. Give me currencys everyday of the week.
  • #32
  • Jul 6, 2017 6:03pm Jul 6, 2017 6:03pm
Quoting GuyBaker
Many of the people on here claim that they treat trading like a business. It is my not secretly help opinion that the majority of "traders" in the retail space are nothing more than gamblers in denial. So in the spirit of altruism by helping a few break their addiction, if this is your business, tell us your turnover and the profit margin on that turnover. I expecting a pretty empty thread, prove me wrong
I think all businesses start out as a gamble. If you don't bet you cannot win.
It becomes a business when you have some secret sauce that no one else has.
Turnover is simply a multiple of your profit margin. So if yours is 5% then your turnover is 20x your margin.
You came here for the truth and let me unveil it for you
  • #33
  • Edited 7:54pm Jul 6, 2017 6:45pm | Edited 7:54pm
Quoting WolGod
{quote} ?? Forex hasnt changed one bit. Currency trading is easily the best. Dukas trade wtf are you on? Make billion dollars in a month gettin a pip here and there LOL. $billion turnover? What maths are you using? Youre including Futures contracts arent you? Just talk real money will ya ya flog. Volume is everything the fact you cut trades for a pip and think thats good. No fing idea. Forex markets havent changed one little bit. And they never will until they die if they ever did. Liquidity on stocks is shite and the news is inside info. Give me...
what a joke you are.

i dont know where to start with your many mistakes. can you start to make only 1-2 mistakes in one post please! its really a lot of work all the time training a stupid beginner like you because you make same mistakes again and again because you are really not very smart. is your mama not helping you, or you need to learn to read first, because you are so unskilled in basics? man, you really need go to school.

billion of turnover not possible in forex? joke man, i had this many years already and many too, billion is nothing difficult. in futures i buy often the whole market at the moment i buy, the markets are more thin then you will tell the people, and i trade many futures too, but i did speak here only about forex part. learn really basics.
rest will alphaomega teach you, you are such a stupid pupil, i have no words about such a poser.

by the way, where i speak about billion wins with scalping, i told about billion turnover. simple learn basics, turnover is not win, learn it, read it, what ever, but dont write when you know all wrong!!

puny god is best words you can get.

you are a fun here for every trader, a bad example of how not to trade, not to speak, how bad a charketer can be, a poser in best kind. speaking about all, knowing nothing. posing until you are death or? i really hope with your kind you have a girlfriend on the end who is blind, all on you smell like scammer, faker, liar, poser. you have near zero correct sentence, not correct trading style, no correct basic knowledge, only posing posing posing. you are a kid, thats for sure, or a really poor man. maybe you should go in the politics, there are many people doing your style, your only chance maybe.
  • #34
  • Jul 6, 2017 9:14pm Jul 6, 2017 9:14pm
Definition of gambling from wiki.

Gambling is the wagering (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/wager#Verb) of money (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money) or something of value (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_(economics)) (referred to as "the stakes") on an event (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Event_(probability_theory)) with an uncertain outcome with the primary intent of winning money or material goods.

It is the same, just need to understand that there are people winning consistently from gambling too.
Searching for some order in these apparent chaos...
  • #35
  • Edited 11:55pm Jul 6, 2017 10:30pm | Edited 11:55pm
Quoting RondaRousey
{quote} I think all businesses start out as a gamble. If you don't bet you cannot win. It becomes a business when you have some secret sauce that no one else has. Turnover is simply a multiple of your profit margin. So if yours is 5% then your turnover is 20x your margin.

No, turnover is your total sales.

Your profit is your sales minus your costs, the margin is your profit represented as a percentage of your turnover

secret sauce... no.... the majority of businesses offer nothing unique at all
I live entirely from the growth of my personal trading account
  • #36
  • Jul 6, 2017 11:59pm Jul 6, 2017 11:59pm
Quoting Speedhastey
Definition of gambling from wiki. Gambling is the wagering (https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/wager#Verb) of money (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money) or something of value (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Value_(economics)) (referred to as "the stakes") on an event (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Event_(probability_theory)) with an uncertain outcome with the primary intent of winning money or material goods. It is the same, just need to understand that there are people winning consistently from gambling...

Absolutely, I regard myself as a professional gambler. Professional gambling is my work and as such I run it like I would run any business. But on here we have vast amount of snake oil preached, very few people seem to have the slightest clue even what their risk is or their likely return from taking that risk.
I live entirely from the growth of my personal trading account
  • #37
  • Jul 7, 2017 12:43am Jul 7, 2017 12:43am
Quoting dukas_trader
{quote} what a joke you are. i dont know where to start with your many mistakes. can you start to make only 1-2 mistakes in one post please! its really a lot of work all the time training a stupid beginner like you because you make same mistakes again and again because you are really not very smart. is your mama not helping you, or you need to learn to read first, because you are so unskilled in basics? man, you really need go to school. billion of turnover not possible in forex? joke man, i had this many years already and many too, billion is...
Simple question for you retard, are you a billionaire?
  • #38
  • Jul 7, 2017 12:57am Jul 7, 2017 12:57am
Quoting WolGod
{quote} Simple question for you retard, are you a billionaire?

What has turnover got to do with assets? Seems to me you don't know what turnover is. Maybe do some googling, because you are coming across as a ignorant fool.
I live entirely from the growth of my personal trading account
  • #39
  • Jul 7, 2017 1:05am Jul 7, 2017 1:05am
Quoting GuyBaker
{quote} What has turnover got to do with assets? Seems to me you don't know what turnover is. Maybe do some googling, because you are coming across as a ignorant fool.
Funny this ignorant fool made 6:1 this morning trading the uj.
  • #40
  • Jul 7, 2017 1:10am Jul 7, 2017 1:10am
Quoting WolGod
{quote} Funny this ignorant fool made 6:1 this morning trading the uj.

SO show us your record for the last year. Show us every single trade profit and loss.
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