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  • #161
  • Jun 22, 2017 6:38pm Jun 22, 2017 6:38pm
Quoting mayzee
{quote} no, they don't. Or at least most don't because they can't. I don't think you realize the crazy huge amount of money it would take to cause a wide scale market manipulation like that even of the most thinly traded exotic cross. There might be one or two brokers out there big enough, with enough money and enough people trading to have both the capability to pull this off and enough people with stop losses set to make it profitable ... But it's only one or two. Understand that a broker can't deviate its platform from what the market is doing...
so why the spikes when no news or volatility
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  • #162
  • Jun 22, 2017 7:05pm Jun 22, 2017 7:05pm
Itīs not the brokers, itīs the 5 big banks who control 70% of the volume...(you can google the exact figures).
Brokers add "slippage spikes", to the retailer sucking business.
Not a question of "believing".
Just open any chart, look at the beginning of most swings, they come AFTER hitting the "sitting ducks",the lower the time frame the more frequent, cause itīs cheaper for them to move the market only a few pips.
If you cannot visualize the obvious, please stop trading real money till you do.
Often, they will start a move, have all those indi, macd, stochastic, Ma signals trigger. Then rush back, hit everyone, and run away with the retailer meat in their pockets.
Retailer meat is the "stange attractor"...just look at the obious SR levels, slowly but surely market getīs attracted, hits by a few pips and starts jolting.
Add stop hunting to your rules, enter AFTER it happened.Sometimes they will run it 2 or even 3 times.
Itīs wild out there.Not for the faint in heart.
  • #163
  • Jun 22, 2017 7:22pm Jun 22, 2017 7:22pm
Quoting cuchuflito
Its not the brokers, its the 5 big banks who control 70% of the volume...(you can google the exact figures). Brokers add "slippage spikes", to the retailer sucking business. Not a question of "believing". Just open any chart, look at the beginning of most swings, they come AFTER hitting the "sitting ducks",the lower the time frame the more frequent, cause its cheaper for them to move the market only a few pips. If you cannot visualize the obvious, please stop trading real money till you do. Often, they will start a move, have all those indi, macd,...
AFTER over 20 years+ in the forex markets I have seen it all
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  • #164
  • Jun 22, 2017 7:44pm Jun 22, 2017 7:44pm
I believe brokers intentionally do slippage knowing it will trigger more stop losses. Do they do 100 pip spikes to get your stop loss? No. At least none that plan on being in business for a long time.
  • #165
  • Jun 22, 2017 7:58pm Jun 22, 2017 7:58pm
Quoting 2+2=4ex
I believe brokers intentionally do slippage knowing it will trigger more stop losses. Do they do 100 pip spikes to get your stop loss? No. At least none that plan on being in business for a long time.

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  • #166
  • Jun 24, 2017 1:15am Jun 24, 2017 1:15am
sure they do, else how they earn money
  • #167
  • Jun 24, 2017 8:26am Jun 24, 2017 8:26am
Quoting fx5mdotcom
sure they do, else how they earn money
Sure they don't. There are arbitrage traders that watch for a brokers platform to deviate from the rest of the market even by just a pip or two and will pounce all over even the smallest deviation from the rest of the market.

Brokers earn money not from stop hunting, they earn money from the bid/ask spread when you place trades.
  • #168
  • Jun 26, 2017 3:12am Jun 26, 2017 3:12am
whaatttttttttttttttttttttt a spike down on gold
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  • #169
  • Jun 26, 2017 3:22am Jun 26, 2017 3:22am
Quoting mayzee
{quote} No, they don't. Or at least most don't because they can't. I don't think you realize the CRAZY HUGE amount of money it would take to cause a wide scale market manipulation like that even of the most thinly traded exotic cross. There might be one or two brokers out there big enough, with enough money and enough people trading to have both the capability to pull this off and enough people with stop losses set to make it profitable ... but it's only one or two. Understand that a broker can't deviate its platform from what the market is doing...
look at gold spike down on no news
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  • #170
  • Jun 26, 2017 10:15am Jun 26, 2017 10:15am
Quoting Aussi
{quote} look at gold spike down on no news
Okay, look at it. Do you think that spike downward happened on only one platform by a single broker? If the ENTIRE MARKET spiked downward like that then it wasn't broker stop hunting which is the point of this thread.

Yes, stop hunting happens ... but it's VERY large institutional traders that do it, not retail brokers. Retail brokers just don't have the money to do it and like I've said if their platform deviated from the rest of the market the arbitrage traders would eat their lunch.

Once again, no, retail brokers don't hunt stops.
  • #171
  • Jun 26, 2017 10:20am Jun 26, 2017 10:20am
Quoting mayzee
{quote} Okay, look at it. Do you think that spike downward happened on only one platform by a single broker? If the ENTIRE MARKET spiked downward like that then it wasn't broker stop hunting which is the point of this thread. Yes, stop hunting happens ... but it's VERY large institutional traders that do it, not retail brokers. Retail brokers just don't have the money to do it and like I've said if their platform deviated from the rest of the market the arbitrage traders would eat their lunch. Once again, no, retail brokers don't hunt stops.
This probably explain everything IMO. The main point is IF the spike happened in entire broker then it's not hunting your stops. That only means your sl are just sucks.
  • #172
  • Jun 26, 2017 10:52am Jun 26, 2017 10:52am
Quoting mayzee
{quote} Sure they don't. There are arbitrage traders that watch for a brokers platform to deviate from the rest of the market even by just a pip or two and will pounce all over even the smallest deviation from the rest of the market. Brokers earn money not from stop hunting, they earn money from the bid/ask spread when you place trades.

There are lots of ways they earn against you.

They earn spread
They hedge against bad traders
They keep your money as long as they can and try to prevent you from taking it out.
They charge commission
They use things like social traders to increase volume

I could go on
  • #173
  • Jun 26, 2017 10:55am Jun 26, 2017 10:55am
Quoting Aussi
{quote} so why the spikes when no news or volatility
To kick out the retail traders before market makers or smart money (or whatever you like to call the PRO) want the price to go up/down, very simple actually
Blindly following others will make you blind!
  • #174
  • Jun 26, 2017 11:13am Jun 26, 2017 11:13am
Quoting Georgebaker
{quote} To kick out the retail traders before market makers or smart money (or whatever you like to call the PRO) want the price to go up/down, very simple actually
there can be many reasons for spikes.
- marketmaker who wants kick some stops out (like told before), just as business with no risk (but this you can avoid oftten by reading reviews of your broker in broker comparing websites)
- problems with some liquity providers/technical problems/.....
- same spike with all brokers more or less because of some planed or unplaned news/weekend close opening/fast situation of inbalances of buyers and sellers/big areas where many TP or SL are situated/ fat finger problem (someone put in wrong order with wrong high amount)/..........
  • #175
  • Jun 26, 2017 11:57am Jun 26, 2017 11:57am
Quoting dukas_trader
{quote} there can be many reasons for spikes. - marketmaker who wants kick some stops out (like told before), just as business with no risk (but this you can avoid oftten by reading reviews of your broker in broker comparing websites) - problems with some liquity providers/technical problems/..... - same spike with all brokers more or less because of some planed or unplaned news/weekend close opening/fast situation of inbalances of buyers and sellers/big areas where many TP or SL are situated/ fat finger problem (someone put in wrong order with...
I don't believe price spikes that blow our stops are done illegally its a kind of psychological manipulation by big players which search for a nice point of entry. Its too naive to blame brokers or market makers because they reap enough profits from spreads and supplying us with liquidity.
  • #176
  • Jun 26, 2017 12:24pm Jun 26, 2017 12:24pm
Quoting available
{quote} I don't believe price spikes that blow our stops are done illegally its a kind of psychological manipulation by big players which search for a nice point of entry. Its too naive to blame brokers or market makers because they reap enough profits from spreads and supplying us with liquidity.
thats very naive point.

marketmakers will give you liquidity only if you lose or tend to lose, they dont want profit traders in their house and on their books, they would need to pay there wins. so they want you out of this broker, by pay you out, slow down the connection, do some ask/bid widening/ stop hunting/...... all they have to do you will leave them or at least dont win any more..... you are as a winner pure money killer for them.
so the liquity part in your text is not there in reality. market makers have only wins from spread when you lose, when you wins they dont have it, so the win from spread part will also not work.

best is, dont use marketmaker and simple use ecn broker, easy solution and you dont have to overthink so easy things.
  • #177
  • Jun 27, 2017 8:51pm Jun 27, 2017 8:51pm
Quoting dukas_trader
{quote} thats very naive point. marketmakers will give you liquidity only if you lose or tend to lose, they dont want profit traders in their house and on their books, they would need to pay there wins. so they want you out of this broker, by pay you out, slow down the connection, do some ask/bid widening/ stop hunting/...... all they have to do you will leave them or at least dont win any more..... you are as a winner pure money killer for them. so the liquity part in your text is not there in reality. market makers have only wins from spread when...

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  • #178
  • Jun 28, 2017 2:03am Jun 28, 2017 2:03am
The market tends to seem to be trading at times against (retail) traders who use conventional trading strategies. Usually the big players/institutional traders are behind price manipulation because they do have the power to move prices because of the huge trading positions they tend to take. Other times, it's the market reacting to major news.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_manipulation

How to Tell if Your Broker is Trading Against You
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If you day trade using a very tight stop loss, chances are you will get stopped out or get very close to getting stopped out a lot. I don't think it really matter who is taking the other side of your trade, because the end result is the same.

The proper mindset is to find a feasible solution to the problem, instead of finding someone (the market or the broker) to blame for your stopped out positions.
'For the market to work, it needs people who think that they can beat it.'
  • #179
  • Jun 28, 2017 6:13pm Jun 28, 2017 6:13pm
Quoting AlastorFate
The market tends to seem to be trading at times against (retail) traders who use conventional trading strategies. Usually the big players/institutional traders are behind price manipulation because they do have the power to move prices because of the huge trading positions they tend to take. Other times, it's the market reacting to major news. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_manipulation How to Tell if Your Broker is Trading Against You https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRCrio6-k5A If you day trade using a very tight stop...
thank you for the video
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  • #180
  • Jun 30, 2017 1:14am Jun 30, 2017 1:14am
watch out its friday
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