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  • #4,061
  • Jun 21, 2017 3:42pm Jun 21, 2017 3:42pm
NO PROBS NOJAK

akt has very different rules to alfonso , you should get intouch with him and ask about some training

there are lot more rules and checklists than meets the eye when considering if its SAF or CONF trade

if your not able to sit at the computer for confirmation , you would really be best to get some training if you are able to

W
  • #4,062
  • Jun 21, 2017 3:48pm Jun 21, 2017 3:48pm
Quoting Nojak
{quote} Dear amnrsln, I was kicked in AUDJPY short. Take a look on my trade set up. At the moment I am using Alfonso's padding and wiggle room set up, but I have been kicked out from few EUR/USD trades because of too tight SL. I have not made my studies so far for targets of trades and SL locations. {image} Best wishes,
Ive learnt 2 ways on setting up wiggle rooms from Alfonso.

1. Fixed pips - 20 pips padding both ends, 80 pips wiggle room for majors, 130 pips wiggle room on cross/exotics

2. Percent based - 10% distant away from proximal for limit orders , 25% distant away from dital line for stop loss.

All in all, theres no objective method for setting up these parameters. You just gotta train your eyes to know where to place them.

Don't worry! You'll get the hang of it someday
i just want to make 10% gain a month.
  • #4,063
  • Jun 21, 2017 5:47pm Jun 21, 2017 5:47pm
Quoting tony1200
feel free to comment! https://www.tradingview.com/x/GpdvYxw6/
Same as my analysis tony1200. Haha

the supply zone around the 1.49 area requires confirmation tho. Cause theres no clear momentum on the weekly nor daily timeframes.
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i just want to make 10% gain a month.
  • #4,064
  • Edited 7:36pm Jun 21, 2017 7:07pm | Edited 7:36pm
Quoting amnrsln
{quote} Same as my analysis tony1200. Haha the supply zone around the 1.49 area requires confirmation tho. Cause theres no clear momentum on the weekly nor daily timeframes. {image}
ok,,,,so what would chart look like for shorting opportunity to short at 1.5150 area? if that makes any sense

I guess what im asking is what determins which level to short at? 1.49 or 1.51?
  • #4,065
  • Jun 21, 2017 7:37pm Jun 21, 2017 7:37pm
Quoting Akt
{quote} Hello sierra Thank you for sharing your trade idea if i may, regarding your daily chart. It is not yet in a downtrend best wishes{image}
https://www.tradingview.com/x/GpdvYxw6/
  • #4,066
  • Jun 21, 2017 9:30pm Jun 21, 2017 9:30pm
Quoting tony1200
{quote} ok,,,,so what would chart look like for shorting opportunity to short at 1.5150 area? if that makes any sense I guess what im asking is what determins which level to short at? 1.49 or 1.51?
It depends on your trading plan. for me, both of the levels require confirmation because theres no clear momentum yet on this pair.

I'm not saying that you shouldnt take it, its really up to you and what your trading plan rules are.

cheers!
i just want to make 10% gain a month.
  • #4,067
  • Jun 22, 2017 12:40am Jun 22, 2017 12:40am
Quoting tony1200
{quote} ok,,,,so what would chart look like for shorting opportunity to short at 1.5150 area? if that makes any sense I guess what im asking is what determins which level to short at? 1.49 or 1.51?
Hello tony1200

if i may, the zones you identified are accurate bar one
There is one around 1.5 and that is the one from which i would start looking
The lower one is great too but more challenging to take given the overall picture

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #4,068
  • Jun 22, 2017 3:55am Jun 22, 2017 3:55am
Hello everyone

Thought for the day....

An old proverb says, "Measure twice, cut once".

I say to myself, "I am meticulous in my process and decisive in my execution". It works for me

What works for you?

best wishes
Be careful what you think because your thoughts run your life..Solomon
  • #4,069
  • Jun 22, 2017 5:04am Jun 22, 2017 5:04am
Hello Akt,

I am also new on this thread, but I've been applying supply and demand on my trades for 6 months;
I am gratful for this thread and will start by reading it from the beginning and actively contribute, hopefully it will bring my trading to a higher level.
One question that I can't help asking: what importance do you give to the closing hour? I also use tradingview.com and Oanda but they don't use the NY closing time that you can find on FXCM for example. They don't give the same charts and by consequence the same SAD levels...for the moment I am only using FXCM charts.
What is your opinion on this?

Br
Edensgarden
  • #4,070
  • Jun 22, 2017 12:47pm Jun 22, 2017 12:47pm
Hi Akt,
Again the Eur/Aud from my day-trade view, kindly review and feedback accordingly.
Thanks in advance!
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  • #4,071
  • Jun 22, 2017 3:06pm Jun 22, 2017 3:06pm
Dear Akt,

Could you make a video of a trader's routine? For example - show two new instruments what you have added to your portfolio, top down analysis (if it is possible with your thoughts that we can hear) and placing order (with your thoughts). It would be interesting to see how professional trader analyse his charts everyday without a need to explain it as a webinar. To see - how fast he process the information. That would be great video.

Best wishes,
  • #4,072
  • Jun 22, 2017 9:55pm Jun 22, 2017 9:55pm
Hello and good day to everyone,

I've been following this thread for quite some time and still have some back reading to do I've stumbled on this thread in the first place since I've been doing research on supply and demand trading. Did some indicator based trading and price action strategy for the past 3 years of me doing a demo trading but none of it seems to be working for me. Until I went back to the very core basics of support and resistance and then read about S.A.D, in which the concept really makes perfect sense. I've watched Akt's YouTube videos and I am still learning.

I mostly focused on comdolls and yen pairs, and to test what I've learned I am sharing here my analysis for USDCAD. My TF are as follows:
Daily - Curve, H4 - Trend, H1 - Entry.

Daily
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Please feel free to comment about it as I am still learning Thank you very much!
  • #4,073
  • Jun 23, 2017 2:54am Jun 23, 2017 2:54am
Quoting pivotdoji
Hello and good day to everyone, I've been following this thread for quite some time and still have some back reading to do I've stumbled on this thread in the first place since I've been doing research on supply and demand trading. Did some indicator based trading and price action strategy for the past 3 years of me doing a demo trading but none of it seems to be working for me. Until I went back to the very core basics of support and resistance and then read about S.A.D, in which the concept really makes perfect sense. I've watched Akt's...
Dear pivotdoji,

I can comment what I see on charts:
1. Daily chart is missing momentum trendline. Keep it in you chart so that you know the biggest time frame direction and when is forming zone that is breaking the momentum trendline.
2. H4 momentum trend line is up! To draw momentum trendline you have to connect two latest peaks or valleys, starting from current price. Look at the picture.
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3. Draw the zones in H4 and H1 chart. KIt is good to know where are daily zones, but in H4 and H1 charts you have to draw zones, so that you can see what price is doing.

This is all what I could recommend. For better comments you have to wait experienced traders. Good luck!
  • #4,074
  • Jun 23, 2017 4:35am Jun 23, 2017 4:35am
Quoting Nojak
{quote} Dear pivotdoji, I can comment what I see on charts: 1. Daily chart is missing momentum trendline. Keep it in you chart so that you know the biggest time frame direction and when is forming zone that is breaking the momentum trendline. 2. H4 momentum trend line is up! To draw momentum trendline you have to connect two latest peaks or valleys, starting from current price. Look at the picture. {image} 3. Draw the zones in H4 and H1 chart. KIt is good to know where are daily zones, but in H4 and H1 charts you have to draw zones, so that you...
Thanks Nojak for the reply, I appreciate it. I'll redraw those lines later on. Regarding on the momentum trendline on the daily, which direction should I follow now in any case the biggest and middle time frame are contradictory ? If we follow the biggest TF's direction, what is still the purpose of the middle TF ?
  • #4,075
  • Jun 23, 2017 5:56am Jun 23, 2017 5:56am
Quoting pivotdoji
{quote} Thanks Nojak for the reply, I appreciate it. I'll redraw those lines later on. Regarding on the momentum trendline on the daily, which direction should I follow now in any case the biggest and middle time frame are contradictory ? If we follow the biggest TF's direction, what is still the purpose of the middle TF ?
Dear pivotdoji,

You have to follow the middle time frame trend, but if it confluence with biggest time frame trend direction it enhance odds in your favor. It does not mean that you have to follow only biggest time frame trend, but it helps.

Best wishes.
  • #4,076
  • Edited 1:33pm Jun 23, 2017 12:47pm | Edited 1:33pm
Quoting pivotdoji
Hello and good day to everyone, I've been following this thread for quite some time and still have some back reading to do I've stumbled on this thread in the first place since I've been doing research on supply and demand trading. Did some indicator based trading and price action strategy for the past 3 years of me doing a demo trading but none of it seems to be working for me. Until I went back to the very core basics of support and resistance and then read about S.A.D, in which the concept really makes perfect sense. I've watched Akt's...
Hello pivotdoji
Good to meet you
Welcome to T.I.O.F

Thank you for sharing your trade idea.

if i may please, on the 4hr the SZ created was more because of the removal of the circled DZs rather than a break of trend line. There are no pivots there to join.
The trend on the 4hr is down for that reason, rather than because of the pink trend line on your chart.

best wishes
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  • #4,077
  • Edited 11:22am Jun 25, 2017 9:19am | Edited 11:22am
Quoting Akt
{quote} Hello pivotdoji Good to meet you Welcome to T.I.O.F Thank you for sharing your trade idea. if i may please, on the 4hr the SZ created was more because of the removal of the circled DZs rather than a break of trend line. There are no pivots there to join. The trend on the 4hr is down for that reason, rather than because of the pink trend line on your chart. best wishes{image}
Thanks Akt for that explanation. Question, do I have to wait for the price to go back in a zone and wait for a candle close outside of it before placing an order ?
Normally this is what I do, but most of the time I usually missed out the trade.
  • #4,078
  • Jun 25, 2017 9:49pm Jun 25, 2017 9:49pm
Quoting pivotdoji
{quote} Thanks Akt for that explanation. Question, do I have to wait for the price to go back in a zone and wait for a candle close outside of it before placing an order ? Normally this is what I do, but most of the time I usually missed out the trade.
Don't mind me answering, no. You don't have to. You'll just need to place your buy or sell order and expect price to bounce from that level
The only person you are destined to become is the person you decide to be.
  • #4,079
  • Jun 25, 2017 11:01pm Jun 25, 2017 11:01pm
Dear traders,

I have an idea for short position at USD/CAD. Please, feel free to comment.
Sequence: W1-D1-H4
W1: MOM TL broken, possible downtrend because of reaction from MN SZ.
D1: MOM TL descending, trend is down.
H4: MOM TL was tested, but still remained ascending direction. Trend is equilibrium, because SZ and DZ are being respected.
Order sits in fresh and original W1, D1 and H4 SZ.
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  • #4,080
  • Jun 26, 2017 12:41am Jun 26, 2017 12:41am
Quoting Nojak
Dear traders, I have an idea for short position at USD/CAD. Please, feel free to comment. Sequence: W1-D1-H4 W1: MOM TL broken, possible downtrend because of reaction from MN SZ. D1: MOM TL descending, trend is down. H4: MOM TL was tested, but still remained ascending direction. Trend is equilibrium, because SZ and DZ are being respected. Order sits in fresh and original W1, D1 and H4 SZ. {image}
Hello Nojak

Here you go sir.

best wishes

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