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  • First Post: Edited Mar 8, 2008 3:33am Mar 7, 2008 8:04pm | Edited Mar 8, 2008 3:33am
  •  Akuma99
  • Joined Nov 2005 | Status: Trading, writing, conquering. | 721 Posts
Well after getting my bum smacked by twee (it wasn't all unpleasant ... thanks) for including links to the actual live statement on an external site, I am re-posting the thread, this time with the statement attached rather than links ... I will now go rub some cream on the effected area.


Hi all,

Well a virus crash of my trading computer system has given me some time to stop an evaluate what has been happening with my trading over the past few months. A shame it took a system crash to make me do it, but anyway whatever it takes.

Sometimes it takes outside influences to alert you to the realities of what works for you in the trading world. A lot of people here know that I was an active contributer here before being diagnosed with cancer early in 2007, this forced me to stop my day trading practices, to peal my face off the screen (painful, and left some scars, it had been there a while), and evaluate what is really important. What it also did was take my trading away from the quick fix, and made me look into the workings of the markets themselves rather than ask a squiggle line to do it for me. Why someone needs a 10 day moving average to tell them the short term trend is up is beyond me, but that is for another day.

Anyhow, I post this here, rather than in the Trading Room or on my own forum for the benefit of those starting out in their trading journey, that perhaps it might help you skip a couple of the painful steps you are about to take, and if there are question you are able to throw them out there for others to think about.

Around October 2007 (i.e. 5 months from time of writing), I started recording all trades (I have been trading for much much longer than that) I made from that point on live and automatically (thanks to MT4's ftp capabilities) to my site, I am still recovering from my treatment, and so I didn't have the energy or time to be doing it by hand. It also meant I also didn't have the time and energy to trade any more than once a day usually, in fact usually it was much less than that, but I did have some time to look into price itself and where things changed on a chart.

Due to not being able to post external links, I have attached the statement to this post.

This is the latest copy I have of the live statement that is updated hourly since October on the site, but for those that can't be bothered reading it, here is a summary that might help prove that you don't need to be right 100% of the time (far far from it), you don't need to trade short time frames, you don't need excessive risk, and you don't need to have your face surgically removed from the screen at the end of a trading day.

A summary of 100 trades since October 2007 (well 98 actually)

  1. Starting capital: +$10,000
  2. Net profit: +$9,172.08
  3. Capital as of March 2008: +$19,172.08
  4. Long positions won: 38.10%
  5. Short positions won: 54.55%
  6. Average profitable trade: +$314.94
  7. Average losing trade: -$136.98
  8. Maximum profitable trade: +$1590.30
  9. Maximum losing trade: -$758.73
  10. Profit factor: 2.39

etc. etc. ... anything beyond the above can be seen in the actual statement. Here is a rundown of how many trades per month, and then interestingly, the net profit (winners - losers +- interest) for the month, what do you notice?

  1. October 2007 - 15 (Net profit: +$3,726.40)
  2. November 2007 - 34 (Net profit: +$903.43)
  3. December 2007 - 29 (Net profit: +$3,050.06)
  4. January 2008 - 7 (Net profit: -$1,436.40)
  5. February 2008 - 13 (Net profit: +$2,928.59)

Clearly the amount of trades has little bearing on how much you win (or lose as in January).

All trades were made with a maximum of (but usually less than) 5% risk of the account balance (not equity, balance) and all except one experimental trade, was made from price action alone, no indicators to be seen.

So what to take out of this little snippet of my trading activity? ...

  1. You don't need to use indicators ... if you want to then go for it ... but you don't need to.
  2. You don't need to be in the market all the time to make money, in that period a trade was only place on 19.6 days of the month, a little over half.
  3. I didn't spend any more than 2 hours a day looking at the market, plenty of time, in my case for recovery, but for others to live life as it should be.
  4. Almost all, except for two in late February, trades were placed off 4 hourly charts, you don't need to be watching every tick.
  5. You absolutely don't need a fantastic winning percentage to make money, this period only had a 46.325% win/loss ratio ... yet the initial capital was almost doubled over 98 trades with a sensible risk.
  6. The usual keep winners larger than your losers theory hold true.

Before anyone asks, all the above trades were mirrored exactly (excluding spread differences) on a live account.

I think I have probably bored you all enough with the statistics, but please understand, this is not a chest beating exercise on my part, those who know me well will believe me on that one, I have lost my share in trading like anyone else (thankfully these days it is less often), and this is only a small part of my trading history, but it is also the only part that I have recorded accurately enough, and in an accountable fashion to make it worthwhile showing it as an example for others to get something out of.

No I am not selling anything, no I don't want your money or to trade it for you, and no I am not a 6'11 amazonean yeti.

Happy trading!

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  •  Lou
  • Joined Mar 2004 | Status: Senior Member | 1,415 Posts | Online Now
Very Nice. Akuma has been trading naked before it became fashionable.
 
 
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  •  auxesis
  • Joined Apr 2007 | Status: (Latin: statūs), rank, state | 3,185 Posts
Well done Akuma, wishing you a continued recovery!
 
 
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  •  Poocher
  • | Joined Dec 2006 | Status: Poocher | 1,017 Posts
I wish you'd post more of your nakedness (analysis) here cuz your site is very slow.
Identifying congestion areas and likely breakout directions and then averaging in and knowing when to say "uncle" and stop averaging is a beautiful thing to watch someone do successfully.
It'd be great to see you do more here if you felt up to it.
 
 
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  •  Akuma99
  • Joined Nov 2005 | Status: Trading, writing, conquering. | 721 Posts
Quoting Poocher
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I wish you'd post more of your nakedness (analysis) here cuz your site is very slow.
Identifying congestion areas and likely breakout directions and then averaging in and knowing when to say "uncle" and stop averaging is a beautiful thing to watch someone do successfully.
It'd be great to see you do more here if you felt up to it.
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Firstly thanks for the feedback on my site, I suspected things were running slower than intended, I'll look into that. I have been thinking about your suggestion, it is something I may do in upcoming weeks, let me have a think about it. Hope you have a relaxing weekend.
You can quit and they won't care, but you will always know.
 
 
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  •  Gift_Art
  • | Joined Nov 2007 | Status: I've found my EDGE!!! | 252 Posts
hey akuma, the name familiar

thought i read somewhere on the net regarding gann theories on a forum

was that your own forum? what's the address of the site since i was just browsed through it while ago?
 
 
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  •  Akuma99
  • Joined Nov 2005 | Status: Trading, writing, conquering. | 721 Posts
Quoting Gift_Art
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hey akuma, the name familiar

thought i read somewhere on the net regarding gann theories on a forum

was that your own forum? what's the address of the site since i was just browsed through it while ago?
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Yep, that was the one ... I've already had one spanking for links, so I won't risk another ... but look at my profile for the link you are after.
You can quit and they won't care, but you will always know.
 
 
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  • Mar 7, 2008 11:58pm Mar 7, 2008 11:58pm
  •  Gift_Art
  • | Joined Nov 2007 | Status: I've found my EDGE!!! | 252 Posts
found it

thx

good luck with your trading carerr, it does look promising
 
 
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  •  LuckyLurker
  • Joined May 2007 | Status: 2 + 2 = 5 | 1,031 Posts
Wishing you well Akuma!
USD Est Non Mortuus
 
 
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  •  shadowninja
  • | Joined Jan 2008 | Status: Small Member | 493 Posts
Quoting Lou
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Very Nice. Akuma has been trading naked before it became fashionable.
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Fashion? Realisation?
The market reveals who we really are...
 
 
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  •  zones
  • | Joined Jan 2008 | Status: Plan,Execute,Review | 197 Posts
Quoting auxesis
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Well done Akuma, wishing you a continued recovery!
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I have enjoyed your contributions on pitchforks on various threads . May God bless you with good health.
 
 
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  •  SeekingLight
  • Joined Jul 2006 | Status: Charts + PA > * | 3,251 Posts
Hey Akuma, hope you're doing better and will continue to get better.

You've basically posted and repeated almost word for word what I, too, have been hammering out as maxims in the last year(s) and all I can say to everyone is: don't focus on the statement, focus on the message(s) of the first post. It's all true.

Well done Akuma.

Take care,

SeekingLight
Trust price. Know yourself.
 
 
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  • Mar 8, 2008 9:25am Mar 8, 2008 9:25am
  •  Akuma99
  • Joined Nov 2005 | Status: Trading, writing, conquering. | 721 Posts
Quoting SeekingLight
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Don't focus on the statement, focus on the message(s) of the first post
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Hey SeekingLight ... glad you got the core of what the thread was for ... thanks for the kind words.
You can quit and they won't care, but you will always know.
 
 
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  • Mar 9, 2008 11:53am Mar 9, 2008 11:53am
  •  Poocher
  • | Joined Dec 2006 | Status: Poocher | 1,017 Posts
Quoting Akuma99
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Firstly thanks for the feedback on my site, I suspected things were running slower than intended, I'll look into that. I have been thinking about your suggestion, it is something I may do in upcoming weeks, let me have a think about it. Hope you have a relaxing weekend.
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Any analysis similar to the charts and comments you post on your site would be awesome!
 
 
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  •  Poocher
  • | Joined Dec 2006 | Status: Poocher | 1,017 Posts
Beginnertrader dot com is much faster Akuma.

I'll visit daily now and look forward to you getting your systems all back up and running...good luck!

Anyone visiting his site be sure to go to his forum linked at the top of Beginnertader dot com...its a gold mine of info.
 
 
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  •  Poocher
  • | Joined Dec 2006 | Status: Poocher | 1,017 Posts
Quoting Gift_Art
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hey akuma, the name familiar

thought i read somewhere on the net regarding gann theories on a forum

was that your own forum? what's the address of the site since i was just browsed through it while ago?
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Here's his site:
http://beginnertrader.com/

And his forum:
http://beginnertrader.com/forum2/
 
 
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  • Mar 14, 2008 8:30pm Mar 14, 2008 8:30pm
  •  Akuma99
  • Joined Nov 2005 | Status: Trading, writing, conquering. | 721 Posts
Thanks for the kind words Poocher ... unfortunately I am back in hospital until probably mid week (nothing serious), so nothing new until then (I have snuck out and evaded security and am currently in an internet cafe ... feel very spyish).

At least it gives me more time to work on some trading stuff. Keep well and happy trading!
You can quit and they won't care, but you will always know.
 
 
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  •  fsiltd
  • | Joined Dec 2006 | Status: Fudōshin | 739 Posts
So why don't I see the "A Fib" on your charts then?
Carpe Divitiae
 
 
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  • Mar 15, 2008 3:28am Mar 15, 2008 3:28am
  •  Akuma99
  • Joined Nov 2005 | Status: Trading, writing, conquering. | 721 Posts
Quoting fsiltd
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So why don't I see the "A Fib" on your charts then?
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Hehehe, many won't get that one, but I got it ... nice one ... better get back, been gone for 2 hours, I'm thinking I might be missed.
You can quit and they won't care, but you will always know.
 
 
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