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  • #1
  • First Post: Dec 2, 2017 7:00am Dec 2, 2017 7:00am
Hi folks. One of the many ongoing annoyances with mt4 is, that once you have reshuffled all charts in any order of your liking on the tabs bar and then close mt4 'cause it 's getting sluggish - you open it again and all charts are in a completely different order.

Anyone knows of a cure for that?

Things that don't work:
*Saving a new profile
*Tiling horizontal or vertically, then saving a (new) profile.
* Editing the "order.wnd" file in the profile folder
  • #2
  • Dec 2, 2017 9:01am Dec 2, 2017 9:01am
Try this:
Tools > Options > Server Tab > Tick box " Keep personal settings and data at startup"
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  • #3
  • Dec 2, 2017 9:29am Dec 2, 2017 9:29am
Quoting Shabs19
Try this: Tools > Options > Server Tab > Tick box " Keep personal settings and data at startup" {image}
Yes, I have this setting - no cigar though...
  • #4
  • Dec 2, 2017 1:50pm Dec 2, 2017 1:50pm
I wish I knew the answer as well.

On the same topic, I posted a query to an old MQL thread HERE, asking...

Are there MT4 commands to:
1a) Minimize (i.e. Iconify), or
1b) Maximize a chart window, or
2) A way to detect what is the current status. (open, Min or Max?) (Perhaps check whether the Subwindow 0 is visible may partially work; haven't tried it yet).
3) Resize a chart
4) Re-arrange the icons in the Charts Bar

... ALL for the ultimate purpose of coding up some far better custom chart tiling scripts, that could re-arrange *subsets* of open charts, or auto-open a full spread of charts (of user specified symbol(s) and period(s) ). SO much would be possible if these commands exist!


Also related: I came across this brief video that explains that one can manually reorder the icons in the Charts Bar, then it will affect how Tiling works when it arranges the existing charts.
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  • #5
  • Dec 2, 2017 2:24pm Dec 2, 2017 2:24pm
Quoting pips4life
I wish I knew the answer as well. On the same topic, I posted a query to an old MQL thread HERE, asking... Are there MT4 commands to: 1a) Minimize (i.e. Iconify), or 1b) Maximize a chart window, or 2) A way to detect what is the current status. (open, Min or Max?) (Perhaps check whether the Subwindow 0 is visible may partially work; haven't tried it yet). 3) Resize a chart 4) Re-arrange the icons in the Charts Bar ... ALL for the ultimate purpose of coding up some far better custom...
Strangely, the tiling order of charts is saved, but not the tabs...
  • #6
  • Dec 2, 2017 3:23pm Dec 2, 2017 3:23pm
I have never had tabs change order. Do you have them aligned in the bottom toolbar? You left click and hold to shuffle their order.

Also, while you are in the Options Tab, you can go to Charts and lower the number of bars in history and it will speed up mt4. For instance, I use 2000 and 2000. Unless you are strategy testing and need ancient historical charts, you don't need 512,000 (or whatever it shows) bars open in order to trade.
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  • #7
  • Dec 2, 2017 4:04pm Dec 2, 2017 4:04pm
Quoting dkrock
I have never had tabs change order. Do you have them aligned in the bottom toolbar? You left click and hold to shuffle their order. Also, while you are in the Options Tab, you can go to Charts and lower the number of bars in history and it will speed up mt4. For instance, I use 2000 and 2000. Unless you are strategy testing and need ancient historical charts, you don't need 512,000 (or whatever it shows) bars open in order to trade.
Well, I wouldn't know why but each time I restart the platform, the tabs are in a different order and I have to re-shuffle it all.
I am also using 2000 bars but the thing is, as long as you run mt4, it keeps adding bars to all your open charts and after some time (days) it needs a restart.
  • #8
  • Dec 2, 2017 4:47pm Dec 2, 2017 4:47pm
My tabs do not change order either. Can't help you any further.
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  • #9
  • Dec 2, 2017 4:54pm Dec 2, 2017 4:54pm
Quoting Go5
Hi folks. One of the many ongoing annoyances with mt4 is, that once you have reshuffled all charts in any order of your liking on the tabs bar and then close mt4 'cause it 's getting sluggish - you open it again and all charts are in a completely different order. Anyone knows of a cure for that? Things that don't work: *Saving a new profile *Tiling horizontal or vertically, then saving a (new) profile. * Editing the "order.wnd" file in the profile folder
The only thing that I notice consistently is to open the charts in the order that you want them

For example, in MarketWatch, I have 28 pairs AUDCAD to USDJPY

Then, with new profile and only 1 chart open being AUDCAD, apply the indicators etc. you want to use, save that as the default Template

Then open next chart, AUDCHF, the default Template will be applied

You can quickly run down the list, opening new charts

When all 28 are open, do a Arrange Charts with icon or Alt + R

SAVE the Profile

Open 1st chart, now you can cycle thru the chart using Ctrl + Tab and back with hold Ctrl + Shift & Tab

Hope that helps
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  • #10
  • Dec 2, 2017 10:57pm Dec 2, 2017 10:57pm
Quoting Go5
{quote} Well, I wouldn't know why but each time I restart the platform, the tabs are in a different order and I have to re-shuffle it all. I am also using 2000 bars but the thing is, as long as you run mt4, it keeps adding bars to all your open charts and after some time (days) it needs a restart.
At the bottom of your platform screen is a list of tabs of all your open charts. If you tile them or whatever, then you need to arrange them by the tabs at the bottom. Moving them inside the screen does not affect their saved order. You have to do it from the tabs at the bottom. Left click your mouse and drag them into the proper order.

As for 2000 bars, it is 2000 bars. The 2001 drops off. Not sure I know what you are talking about with them staying in history. If you have 2000 in history, that is all you have. Each new bar deletes the oldest one.
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  • #11
  • Dec 3, 2017 3:56am Dec 3, 2017 3:56am
Quoting Go5
Hi folks. One of the many ongoing annoyances with mt4 is, that once you have reshuffled all charts in any order of your liking on the tabs bar and then close mt4 'cause it 's getting sluggish - you open it again and all charts are in a completely different order. Anyone knows of a cure for that? Things that don't work: *Saving a new profile *Tiling horizontal or vertically, then saving a (new) profile. * Editing the "order.wnd" file in the profile folder

I had this problem last year after I copied one instance of MT4 to a new PC.
What happened was that PC has Windows UAC and the MT4 then made a new Profile folder in the hidden roaming directory. Tha original Profile folder remained in the old root folder.
Looking for the roaming folder under the Window user name take a bit if effort in a multi user PC at home.
To solve this, I made MT4 run in 'portable' mode so that it will always use the root folder.

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  • #12
  • Dec 3, 2017 5:05am Dec 3, 2017 5:05am
Quoting Erebus
{quote} The only thing that I notice consistently is to open the charts in the order that you want them For example, in MarketWatch, I have 28 pairs AUDCAD to USDJPY Then, with new profile and only 1 chart open being AUDCAD, apply the indicators etc. you want to use, save that as the default Template Then open next chart, AUDCHF, the default Template will be applied You can quickly run down the list, opening new charts When all 28 are open, do a Arrange Charts with icon or Alt + R SAVE the Profile Open 1st chart, now you can cycle thru the chart...
Thanks, I did that in the past but I don't cycle through charts, only need them in a specific order...
  • #13
  • Dec 3, 2017 5:13am Dec 3, 2017 5:13am
Quoting dkrock
{quote} At the bottom of your platform screen is a list of tabs of all your open charts. If you tile them or whatever, then you need to arrange them by the tabs at the bottom. Moving them inside the screen does not affect their saved order. You have to do it from the tabs at the bottom. Left click your mouse and drag them into the proper order. As for 2000 bars, it is 2000 bars. The 2001 drops off. Not sure I know what you are talking about with them staying in history. If you have 2000 in history, that is all you have. Each new bar deletes the...
Thank you, I am aware of that procedure but I don't tile - I only move the tabs and they never stay put.
As for the bars: one thing is history which I have now set to 20,000, the other is the max bars I have allowed per chart which I set to 2000 and this amount can then increase while running. Maybe it's better to set history to 2000 and use another instance if more history is neded.
  • #14
  • Dec 3, 2017 5:26am Dec 3, 2017 5:26am
Quoting emmanuel7788
{quote} I had this problem last year after I copied one instance of MT4 to a new PC. What happened was that PC has Windows UAC and the MT4 then made a new Profile folder in the hidden roaming directory. Tha original Profile folder remained in the old root folder. Looking for the roaming folder under the Window user name take a bit if effort in a multi user PC at home. To solve this, I made MT4 run in 'portable' mode so that it will always use the root folder. {image}
Now we're getting to where the problem might be hiding, I use Linux and sincerely hope to never have to go back to windoze. Operating with bank / trading accounts on windows? I hope not!
Unfortunately, using Linux for this is getting harder all the time. Mt4 is sending many web requests which result in error messages, the market panel doesn't work (no real harm done....), etc. Even installing is not that simpel anymore so ther could be a problem there.
  • #15
  • Dec 3, 2017 6:16am Dec 3, 2017 6:16am
MT4 was never designed for the mac user in mind.
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  • #16
  • Dec 3, 2017 11:32am Dec 3, 2017 11:32am
Quoting Go5
{quote} Thank you, I am aware of that procedure but I don't tile - I only move the tabs and they never stay put. As for the bars: one thing is history which I have now set to 20,000, the other is the max bars I have allowed per chart which I set to 2000 and this amount can then increase while running. Maybe it's better to set history to 2000 and use another instance if more history is neded.
I don't know your strategy, but if you consider how much history is required to give you a trading signal, then that is all you need for bars. I use 2000 because I trade intraday, so it shows me a week of data. (12 bars/hour) X (24 hours) X (7 days) = 2016 bars. Technically, I only need 288 bars to see a day, but when I am bored, I like to load other pairs and look over them and validate my trading signals. I have an analysis addiction, lol. The point is, only load what you need, and keep what you need. It makes such a difference that you will literally see a visible increase in speed.

As for your tabs, I no longer have any solutions to offer. Never heard anyone have this problem before. Might be Linux related. Didn't know that before. Good Luck.
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  • #17
  • Dec 3, 2017 10:48pm Dec 3, 2017 10:48pm
Quoting dkrock
{quote}... As for 2000 bars, it is 2000 bars. The 2001 drops off. Not sure I know what you are talking about with them staying in history. If you have 2000 in history, that is all you have. Each new bar deletes the oldest one.
For the record, that information is incorrect. I set my "max bars in chart" limit to 2000 bars, restarted MT4 (mandatory to take effect), then ran a simple indicator that at each new bar, it compares "Bars" to the previous count. Though it starts at 2000, it grows to 2001, 2002, etc. I don't know at what point it would do a data chop of some kind (if ever), to reduce the count back down to 2000. But restarting MT4 certainly will.

Increasing the live count of Bars is a *good* thing, in my opinion. Many indicators start calculations at "Bars-1" and start to put data into the buffers at the earliest bar. Some even store "initial conditions" for that bar, which are assumed to never change. Some programs assume that a "Refresh" (or IndicatorCounter()=0, or prev_calculated=0), that it will recalculate everything from the original start, not necessarily a moving start. Some programs track "Bars" vs. a static var "last_Bars" to see if the count is up by just 1, or >1 (i.e. several new bars came in, such as may occur when restarting MT4 and it refreshes in the first few seconds).

Some of these methods or tricks may break(?) indicators if the oldest bar had been deleted, as you say, and Bars was always, for example, "2000". It doesn't work that way AFAIK.

Maybe I'll run a longer term test to watch if "Bars" does NOT keep increasing on a live chart, but so far I haven't seen it. I've seen vague references that it may truncate down at some point, but definitely not every bar.

Quoting Shabs19
MT4 was never designed for the mac user in mind.
I couldn't agree more. Running MT4 on a mac, a user should expect all kinds of weird things to happen. Guess the OP's post #1 is one of them.
  • #18
  • Dec 3, 2017 11:40pm Dec 3, 2017 11:40pm
Quoting Go5
{quote} Thanks, I did that in the past but I don't cycle through charts, only need them in a specific order...
Well, don't cycle through them, that was just a tip

But how about opening them in the order that you want them; have you tried that at least?

I mean, how many charts are we talking about there, it can't be that hard, surely?

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  • #19
  • Dec 3, 2017 11:46pm Dec 3, 2017 11:46pm
Agree that it's most likely UAC preventing settings being saved.
  • #20
  • Edited 2:06am Dec 4, 2017 1:37am | Edited 2:06am
Quoting pips4life
{quote} ... Maybe I'll run a longer term test to watch if "Bars" does NOT keep increasing on a live chart, but so far I haven't seen it. I've seen vague references that it may truncate down at some point, but definitely not every bar.
Go5, dkrock, or anyone who uses a small "Max bars on chart" number like 2000:

Can you please run the attached indicator and post back here if it Alerts, ever (with the default input AlertMode=3) ?

It will be silent, no alert when added nor on MT4 startup, and ONLY alert for a new bar, *if* the number of Bars is less-or-equal than last_Bars. (I've never observed this to occur, but then I always use a very high number for "Max bars on chart").

*IF* this ever occurs (Bars<last_Bars), it would give an "Alert" and say something like:

EURUSD,M1: WARNING for developers: At new bar, Bars-last_Bars is NEGATIVE (-10) for Bars=2000 and last_Bars=2100
EURUSD,M1: ... How did #Bars go down?? Was max-bars-on-chart limit finally re-imposed?? (Fyi: prev_calculated=0**)

** The prev_calculated number is of KEEN interest. It *should* say 0, but might instead say 2100 or ?! If not "0", added warnings:
EURUSD,M1: ... ALSO OF CONCERN IS prev_calculated=2100 but ought to be 0 to refresh all calculations! (Possibly Bars-1 is ok)
EURUSD,M1: ... MT4 BUG?? prev_calculated=2100 which is >Bars! This bug should be reported! (says http://forexfactory.com/pips4life Also, what build number??)

If Bars reaches some max limit and then stops increasing, this is also unexpected and potentially an MT4 bug.
If this occurs (Bars==last_Bars), then it alerts with:

EURUSD,M1: MT4 BUG?? At new bar, Bars=2500 which ALSO equals last_Bars(!) rather than the usual 'Bars-1'. Indicators may fail to update! (Fyi prev_calculated=2500 which is BEST if <Bars, BAD if ==Bars!) Check your Max-bars-on-chart


Go5, you say you restart every few days to cut down the number of bars in memory to speed things up. No alerts would prove this is true, and you should keep on doing it.

dkrock thought that 2000 stays 2000, but this proves otherwise, bar by bar, but perhaps it will eventually reset, OR, it may hit an upper-limit over the user-specified max-bars-on-chart??


Fyi, if you care to test the other modes:
With AlertMode=1, it will alert at every new bar. Most every new bar reports "1", or >1 just after starting MT4 (common).
With AlertMode=2, it will only alert if != 1.
(Modes 1 or 2 will ALSO give the special alert of mode 3, when Bars-last_Bars <= 0)

With AlertMode=3. Only Alerts when Bars-last_Bars <= 0 as previously described. Hopefully there will be no alerts at all.

If it does alert, please post here and/or inform me because I'm very interested to know of the behavior and potential MT4 bug(s).

(Edit, within minutes of post, to the attached 2017-Dec-04 version, to alert MT4 if prev_calculated > Bars, and not just prev_calculated==last_Bars)
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