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  • #2,961
  • Jan 4, 2019 3:06pm Jan 4, 2019 3:06pm
Quoting JustUncleL
{quote} I would not call 50/25 too tight in pip terms and it appeared to capture most of the move. You are only trading 0.01 lot size, EL of 50/25 is equivalent to 500/250 pips and so your pip profit was 1300pips. That is very big for just one Day's trading.
Yes, you are correct that is a big catch for one day of trading.
I just thought it was tight after comparing to the other one. I did not use an EL but employed the 'Opposite Swing' as exit.

Here is the current situation:

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I will leave this open during the weekend and see how it goes.
Thank you for your comments.

I will keep posting to see if somebody will be interested to test out and use the same entry settings but using a different exit strategy.
So we can figure out what is the best exit for this.

Have a nice weekend!
When the internal struggle ends, everything becomes easy - Mr. Douglas
  • #2,962
  • Jan 4, 2019 4:11pm Jan 4, 2019 4:11pm
Quoting lananpips
{quote} I will keep posting to see if somebody will be interested to test out and use the same entry settings but using a different exit strategy. So we can figure out what is the best exit for this.
Yes please do,what are your current settings? I'll match them and run a few with different exits next week.
  • #2,963
  • Jan 5, 2019 5:17am Jan 5, 2019 5:17am
Quoting lananpips
HAS + SWING on H4 update. One closed by EL. Other is still open. Edit: The EL was 50/25...appears it is too tight as the other one is still pushing higher. I will try 100/60 on the next batch. {image} {image}
Hi lananpips this is a fantastic result and Im sure many of us would like to replicate if possible. Could you please elaborate on the TS settings for the H4 timeframe? Assuming you're running Swing + HAS on all 28 pairs individually and controlling SL/PL via DB? Thanks in advance
  • #2,964
  • Jan 5, 2019 5:22am Jan 5, 2019 5:22am
Quoting lananpips
{quote} Yes, you are correct that is a big catch for one day of trading. I just thought it was tight after comparing to the other one. I did not use an EL but employed the 'Opposite Swing' as exit. Here is the current situation: {image} I will leave this open during the weekend and see how it goes. Thank you for your comments. I will keep posting to see if somebody will be interested to test out and use the same entry settings but using a different exit strategy. So we can figure out what is the best exit for this. Have a nice weekend!
I have same opinion your results are good pls elobrate on TS Settings.
  • #2,965
  • Jan 5, 2019 5:24am Jan 5, 2019 5:24am
Quoting lananpips
HAS + SWING on H4 update. One closed by EL. Other is still open. Edit: The EL was 50/25...appears it is too tight as the other one is still pushing higher. I will try 100/60 on the next batch. {image} {image}
Ianapips, looks as though your getting some good results here!

I can see your using the 4 hour time frame can you confirm what settings you are using for the TS itself please?

Thanks
  • #2,966
  • Jan 5, 2019 5:29am Jan 5, 2019 5:29am
Quoting blamshakk
happy new and prosperous year to you also fairtrader thanks for your testing and yes please do keep us posted regards, blam {quote}
Thank you blamshakk unfortunately due to technical issues I didn't get as much results past week however with more historical and visual analysis I also came to realisation using double HAS on lower timeframes may not be the way forward. So I'm back to H1 and exploring the full potential of Basket Trader v5 with manual kickoffs on email alerts. Hope to be back on track starting this week. All the best
  • #2,967
  • Jan 5, 2019 5:37am Jan 5, 2019 5:37am
Quoting seller9
{quote} I have been thinking about adding the semafor to the next release of the basket trader as an automated entry signal to be used in combination with the others already present, I like it a little bit more than the swing. Also buttons to show Fractals and Round Numbers like the present Pivot button does. The Pivots, SUPDEMs, etc help the new trader see what the seasoned trader sees without them. LOL Also I am going to see how the SUPDEMs will work as an automated TP point where you could pick a percentage of the distance between SUP and DEM...
Hi Gene I have very little knowledge of semafor however as pointed out by JustUncleL, STC seems to be very useful in conjunction with the Swing and HAS as trade trigger. Not suggesting we reinvent the wheel however am I correct in assuming any indicator can be replicated or redesigned and bundled into the S9 toolkit?
  • #2,968
  • Edited 12:36pm Jan 5, 2019 8:10am | Edited 12:36pm
Ok my friends, here are the settings that i used for the HAS + Swing entry.

Initially, i used HAS (1,1,1,1). JustuncleL mentioned the (3,2,3,2). It did not have much difference but i thought it looked better, so the change.

Swing look back, i changed to 3 candles (from the default of 7 but I am on the 4H TF). This is very conservative as it equates to 12 hours of market time. I say conservative because I've been using the pivot points as my entry before i saw Gene's interesting post using this HAS + Swing method.
[So if you want a more agressive or early entry, change it to 2 or 1.]

Auto SL is 3.0 of the ATR, as an emergency but sometimes i will adjust it near the swing point.
I also have 4.0 ATR SL on the DB as a backup.

ADD to Trade and Marty is on (I have not seen how Marty works though)

Exit is Opposite Swing.
** So this is what we need to experiment on as we want to figure out what is the best way.

It worked last week and for it to work on the weeks ahead is not guaranteed.

Demo only, if possible, please.

Let's continue to investigate and post/share your results so all our friends can benefit.
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  • #2,969
  • Jan 5, 2019 8:25am Jan 5, 2019 8:25am
Quoting lananpips
Ok my friends, here are the settings that i used for the HAS + Swing entry. Initially, i used HAS (1,1,1,1). JustuncleL mentioned the (3,2,3,2). It did not have much difference but i thought it looked better, so the change. Swing look back, i changed to 3 candles (from the default of 7 but I am on the 4H TF). This is very conservative as it equates to 12 hours of market time. I say conservative because I've been using the pivot points as my entry before i saw Gene's interesting post using this HAS + Swing method. So if you want a more agressive...
Thank you very much lananpips just wondering since market entry time has been of importance to us so far noticed starting broker time matched @ NY time perhaps or should this not really matter in this setup? Also is it correct to assume aside from initial setup no manual interventions were involved? Thanks again
  • #2,970
  • Jan 5, 2019 8:40am Jan 5, 2019 8:40am
Quoting fairtraderuk
{quote} Hi Gene I have very little knowledge of semafor however as pointed out by JustUncleL, STC seems to be very useful in conjunction with the Swing and HAS as trade trigger. Not suggesting we reinvent the wheel however am I correct in assuming any indicator can be replicated or redesigned and bundled into the S9 toolkit?
A lot of the time if I have the mq4 code I will build it into the TS as it is more cpu friendly, if not there are other ways to use it if it uses buffers and I only have the ex4, but it tends to slow things down when done that way and is harder on the cpu.

As you know indicators are all built from the PA and only see the past, so they all seem to show the same thing and what looks great on a chart in the past does not always work well at the right edge of the screen.

I have coded many EAs where the idea was thought to be the Holy Grail when looking at a chart of the past, but when put into a logical step by step EA turned out to be a disaster.

PA still rules.
  • #2,971
  • Jan 5, 2019 9:05am Jan 5, 2019 9:05am
Concerning the look back window setting.

The main reason for having this window is because when using more than one trigger to enter a trade they may not all happen at exactly the same time.

Example:

When using the swing or semafor to enter a trade and also the color change of the HAS, the HAS may happen a candle or more after the swing trigger and if they both needed to be at the same time the trade may be missed. By using a look back on the swing when the HAS signals we then look back to see if we had a swing trigger in the window.
By using a smaller window on the swing it makes it much more selective and good trades may be missed, this window is only a candle count window so the time of the chart does not matter. You also don't want it too large, look at some charts using the triggers you will be using and see what size would be the best for this window to catch your trade, see if your triggers are within the window. Also remember the color change of the HAS is only good for one candle unless you use the hold last signal or direction for the HAS, regardless of the window size.

Add to trade:

The add to trade function is very selective and usually will only come into play when a trend appears and you get some pull backs in this trend. I use fractals to look for pull backs and when that fractal is broken it signals a add to trade. Marty just increases the lot size of the add on as more are entered, add on can turn a 50 pip winner into a 500 pip winner when a trend happens. The TS draws a dotted line at a fractal when it is using it as a possible add on during a trade.
  • #2,972
  • Jan 5, 2019 9:22am Jan 5, 2019 9:22am
Quoting lananpips
Ok my friends, here are the settings that i used for the HAS + Swing entry. Initially, i used HAS (1,1,1,1). JustuncleL mentioned the (3,2,3,2). It did not have much difference but i thought it looked better, so the change. Swing look back, i changed to 3 candles (from the default of 7 but I am on the 4H TF). This is very conservative as it equates to 12 hours of market time. I say conservative because I've been using the pivot points as my entry before i saw Gene's interesting post using this HAS + Swing method. So if you want a more agressive...

Thanks Lanapips for the reply with your settings. i will try and replicate this on Demo in readiness for the opening of the markets and feedback to you all.
  • #2,973
  • Jan 5, 2019 12:11pm Jan 5, 2019 12:11pm
Quoting fairtraderuk
{quote} Thank you very much lananpips just wondering since market entry time has been of importance to us so far noticed starting broker time matched @ NY time perhaps or should this not really matter in this setup? Also is it correct to assume aside from initial setup no manual interventions were involved? Thanks again
Since we're doing demo, how about we open it around start of the week (i know everybody's will be different) and just leave it running 24/5 and make our observation accordingly.

For now, let's just observe. Maybe later, as we learn more about the system, then we can make the adjustments.

Thank you fairtraderuk!
When the internal struggle ends, everything becomes easy - Mr. Douglas
  • #2,974
  • Edited 1:41pm Jan 5, 2019 12:34pm | Edited 1:41pm
Quoting seller9
Concerning the look back window setting. The main reason for having this window is because when using more than one trigger to enter a trade they may not all happen at exactly the same time. Example: When using the swing or semafor to enter a trade and also the color change of the HAS, the HAS may happen a candle or more after the swing trigger and if they both needed to be at the same time the trade may be missed. By using a look back on the swing when the HAS signals we then look back to see if we had a swing trigger in the window. By using a...
Thank you very much for explaning how it works. I understand the 'look back window' better now.

So for our project, we can leave the 'look back window' to 3 and not less. But since we will keep our system 24/5 and using single pairs, this should not affect it, but if it does, let's make a note and report it.

Regarding the HAS, that was my observation on the color change. I was not getting any signal. So i changed it to 'HAS direction', and it started giving signals.

Quote
Add to trade: The add to trade function is very selective and usually will only come into play when a trend appears and you get some pull backs in this trend. I use fractals to look for pull backs and when that fractal is broken it signals a add to trade. Marty just increases the lot size of the add on as more are entered, add on can turn a 50 pip winner into a 500 pip winner when a trend happens. The TS draws a dotted line at a fractal when it is using it as a possible add on during a trade.

I get how Marty works now.

Thanks again Gene.
When the internal struggle ends, everything becomes easy - Mr. Douglas
  • #2,975
  • Jan 5, 2019 12:41pm Jan 5, 2019 12:41pm
Quoting Scousetrader
{quote} Thanks Lanapips for the reply with your settings. i will try and replicate this on Demo in readiness for the opening of the markets and feedback to you all.
Thank you for your interest Scouse

Let's remember, there is no Holy Grail. We really want to see how this system will fail and with our work, we will make it better
When the internal struggle ends, everything becomes easy - Mr. Douglas
  • #2,976
  • Jan 5, 2019 2:16pm Jan 5, 2019 2:16pm
Quoting lananpips
{quote} Also, how does 'Opposite_Fast_Swing_Exit' and 'Emergency_Exit' works.
I watched the videos again and found the answer on how the 'Opposite_Fast_Swing_Exit' works.
So basically, once the swing point appears and the candle closes, the trade will exit/close as well.

This is a good exit option to try peeps

Let me dig some more on the videos and maybe I will find the description on the 'Emergency Exit'.
When the internal struggle ends, everything becomes easy - Mr. Douglas
  • #2,977
  • Jan 5, 2019 7:51pm Jan 5, 2019 7:51pm
Quoting lananpips
{quote} Since we're doing demo, how about we open it around start of the week (i know everybody's will be different) and just leave it running 24/5 and make our observation accordingly. For now, let's just observe. Maybe later, as we learn more about the system, then we can make the adjustments. Thank you fairtraderuk!
Great thanks seems there are a number of us interested in kicking this off start of week. Also wondering if running with H1 and H4 in parallel with adjusted SL and EL may be worthwhile. Cheers
  • #2,978
  • Jan 5, 2019 8:51pm Jan 5, 2019 8:51pm
Greetings everyone,

Going through this thread I noticed that prior versions had PINS that could be added to the Dashboard. Is this still possible?

Thank you,

Dom
  • #2,979
  • Jan 5, 2019 10:52pm Jan 5, 2019 10:52pm
Quoting fairtraderuk
{quote} Great thanks seems there are a number of us interested in kicking this off start of week. Also wondering if running with H1 and H4 in parallel with adjusted SL and EL may be worthwhile. Cheers
Also just a thought or reminder we should up the graph timing interval on DB from 2 min to perhaps 10 min (?) if we are to run continuous test 24 x 5
  • #2,980
  • Jan 6, 2019 10:42am Jan 6, 2019 10:42am
Quoting fairtraderuk
{quote} Great thanks seems there are a number of us interested in kicking this off start of week. Also wondering if running with H1 and H4 in parallel with adjusted SL and EL may be worthwhile. Cheers
Yes.

I chose H4 as I have a day job and live in PST. Most of the action happen while i was asleep (london) and while I'm at work (ny).
I dont have the chance to look at the screen that much, especially now that we are doing single pairs.

So if you have the time and computer resources, go for it. Run it on H1 as well.

Thank you fairtrader!
When the internal struggle ends, everything becomes easy - Mr. Douglas
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