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100EMA & 200EMA Pullback System using MTFA

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  • First Post: Edited Jun 8, 2015 6:27am Jan 16, 2013 1:42am | Edited Jun 8, 2015 6:27am
  •  amikaking
  • Joined Oct 2012 | Status: Wisdom | 399 Posts
***Read post 25 first before you continue reading because there is a guy named whatfx who showed that this strategy is not going to work for you and you should better not to waste you time here if you believe his words.***

Foreword:
I apologize to all those who have been following me and using my system from my previous thread “Yet Another Heiken Ashi strategy – A Tribute to lawgirl21”. The reason I have discontinued the thread is not because I’m not having success with it, but I feel obliged to optimize the entry timing of the system rather than relying solely on Heiken Ashi to make every trading decision.

Although HA itself is a lagging indicator, I have demo traded it (for 3 months) and live traded it (for 2 weeks) with good results until recently I found two major drawbacks when using the system. First, it does not help in identifying price pullbacks so we lose the option of “buying the dips and selling the rallies” and we are just simply making random entries each time. This could result in a huge drawdown if the market retraced deeply. Second, exiting trades based on changing color of HA could often burn away our profits and it is not flexible.

Improving winning odds by using MTFA:
Trading is all about probability. Price can either moves up or down, that’s all. I ignore sideway markets if I see no setups and good reasons to do so. I always employ multiple time frames analysis (MTFA) to assist my trading decision just like what exactly I did in my previous MTF Heiken Ashi strategy. Before using my strategy one should fully understand what multiple time frames is so please take your time to read this well-written article by Dons Steinitz. Below are 3 important points that I've extracted according to the Laws of Multiple Time Frames:

1. Every time frame has its own structure.
2. The higher time frames overrule the lower time frames.
3. Prices in the lower time frame structure tend to respect the energy points of the higher time frame structure.

To summarize, MTFA is a technique of using multiple higher time frames to determine a significant trend first, then taking entry signals directly only from smaller time frame charts. The general idea is to trade when there is alignment with the prevailing trend. (Source: http://www.markettradingconcepts.com...=57&Itemid=101)

Setups:
This is a very simple MTF strategy by using only two moving averages, the 100 period EMA (white) and the 200 period EMA (red). For this strategy I would be only using the H1, H4, D1 and W1 time frames. So please be patient set them up accordingly just like what I did (see below screenshot). You can also switch period between charts too. Sometimes I avoid being distracted by standard candlestick chart so I use a line chart instead (it is up to you). I added an Average True Range (period=14) only to the D1 chart.

**The 200 EMA is one of the most popular indicators of all time with Forex traders the world over, and for that reason alone is worth noting due to the psychological effect on the market place price can have when hovering around the 200 EMA (I found this somewhere from FF).**

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Buy rules:
Price is clearly above the 100EMA and 200EMA across the H4, D1 and W1 time frames. Buy only when price dips between the 100EMA and 200EMA on the H1 chart. Open a second trade if price closed outside the range of 200EMA.

Sell rules:
Price is clearly below the 100EMA and 200EMA across the H4, D1 and W1 time frames. Sell only when price rallies between the 100EMA and 200EMA on the H1 chart. Open a second trade if price closed outside the range of 200EMA.

Exit Rules:
Stop loss - Input the current ATR value as shown on the D1 chart as your emergency SL. Hold your trade as long as your SL is not hit.
Take profit - This should depend on your trading style and holding period. I use a risk to reward ratio of 1:1 or 1:2, and sometimes the nearest S/R level (Murray Math Lines) for TP.


Here is a live example of how I enter the market:
1. First I determine the major trend. Price must be above the 100EMA and 200EMA across the H4, D1 and W1 time frames. From the screenshot below NZD is clearly overwhelming JPY (by the time of writing JPY is the weakest currency) so my priority would be only long NZD/JPY.

2. Now I search for a good entry signal on the H1 chart. Sometimes price would touch the 100EMA and bounce off, but in this example price has dipped between the 100 EMA and 200 EMA so I make a long entry here.

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My trading system explained:
The strategy is based on the solid principle of buying the dips and selling the rallies because price would often make a pullback after a strong rally or dip. It is very similar like using RSI or stochastic to determine overbought or oversold condition except that I am using only moving averages with combination of MTFA. The logic is simple and straightforward: Price on the lower time frame will always tend to respect what the higher time frames are showing. When price on the lower time frame is “out of sync” (counter-trend), it signals an opportunity for us to wait and pull entry trigger there. Below screenshot is taken from my USD/JPY live trade to illustrate this idea:

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Below screenshot is a visual backtest of using the system on the H1 chart with all entry criteria met.

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*This is the result after 16/1/2013.

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Final notes to my readers:
This is a high probability system but it is also a very risky one. I suggest everyone to use a logical stop loss placement and manage your risk carefully because we’ll never know when the market will turn against us and eat our account. Once you placed a trade you should just let the market to finish its job for you. There are only 2 outcomes for sure when using this system:

Outcome 1: Your SL get hit and you lose money. But you could deal with this if you allow yourself to lose money that you are comfortable to lose with. I learned this important lesson from Nial Fuller that you should think of risk in term of dollar, not percentage of your trading account or pip count. Although trading the longer time frame requires a larger stop loss, the risk exposure is still the same if you limit the lot size you trade.

Outcome 2: Your TP get hit and you win money. Look for another entry opportunity if the moment comes but never attempt to rush and chase the market. If there is no signal, either you wait, search signals from other pairs, or you do nothing. The best way not to lose money is not to trade at all if there is no good reason to do so.

I welcome any comments or criticisms if you have something to say or new ideas to share of improving the accuracy of the system after reading my thread. This refined strategy utilized the same MTFA approach just like my previous MTF Heiken Ashi system except that we are given chance only to buy or sell pullbacks. You can use a currency strength meter (CSM) from my old thread here to assist yourself in making trading decision and increasing your winning odds.

Thank you for taking your precious time to read my new thread and I wish you good luck in your forex trading career.

Best regards,
amikaking
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  • Jan 16, 2013 2:32am Jan 16, 2013 2:32am
  •  patguay
  • | Joined Jul 2010 | Status: Member | 78 Posts
Quoting amikaking
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Foreword:
I apologize to all those who have been following me and using my system from my previous thread “Yet Another Heiken Ashi strategy – A Tribute to lawgirl21”. The reason I have discontinued the thread is not because I’m not having success with it, but I feel obliged to optimize the entry timing of the system rather than relying solely on Heiken Ashi to make every trading decision.

Although HA itself is a lagging indicator, I have demo traded it (for 3 months) and...
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Hi Amikaking,

I'm glad you are back!!! I look forward to exchanging good trading ideas with you from now on.
 
 
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  • Jan 16, 2013 2:38am Jan 16, 2013 2:38am
  •  amikaking
  • Joined Oct 2012 | Status: Wisdom | 399 Posts
Quoting patguay
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Hi Amikaking,

I'm glad you are back!!! I look forward to exchanging good trading ideas with you from now on.
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Thanks for your support. The system I PM you yesterday actually is based on a smaller time frame basis and I think it looks more complicated than this system I'm sharing. Further backtesting and demo is required although I'm trading this live now...

Any new ideas or optimization is highly welcomed.
 
 
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  •  pemully
  • Joined Aug 2011 | Status: riding the lightning | 935 Posts
cool,I also use the same principles in my trading.

subscribed.
wo-yoy! wo-yoy! wo-yoy! wo-yoi! wo-yoy-yoy-yoy!
 
 
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  • Jan 16, 2013 3:24am Jan 16, 2013 3:24am
  •  patguay
  • | Joined Jul 2010 | Status: Member | 78 Posts
Quoting amikaking
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Thanks for your support. The system I PM you yesterday actually is based on a smaller time frame basis and I think it looks more complicated than this system I'm sharing. Further backtesting and demo is required although I'm trading this live now...

Any new ideas or optimization is highly welcomed.
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I am not aware you PM me until I read your post. Are you going to open another thread or merge with the current one if the new strategy is proven to work well?
 
 
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  • Jan 16, 2013 3:33am Jan 16, 2013 3:33am
  •  amikaking
  • Joined Oct 2012 | Status: Wisdom | 399 Posts
Quoting patguay
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I am not aware you PM me until I read your post. Are you going to open another thread or merge with the current one if the new strategy is proven to work well?
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No way I'm going to open a new thread and there is no reason I should do so. Everyone knows that there is no such a "perfect" system or a holy grail exists and the only way we can do and survive in the forex market is to trade with probability and common sense. The only way (IMHO) is to trade using MTFA because there is a higher winning odds when there is an alignment across all TFs.
 
 
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  • Jan 16, 2013 3:41am Jan 16, 2013 3:41am
  •  patguay
  • | Joined Jul 2010 | Status: Member | 78 Posts
Quoting amikaking
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Here is the live trade of going long NZD/JPY on the H1 chart. There is a significant pinbar formed near the 200EMA and I believe the price will shoot up higher sooner or later.

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At this stage I would not want to enter NZDJPY as the PA has penetrated too deep into the region between EMA 100 and EMA 200. I would enter long position if there is a forceful rebound from the region but currently it seems like it may penetrate deep beyond EMA 200 before there is any chance of rebounding (I could be wrong and only time will tell).

I will only enter long if PA has reached beyond the previous high of 75.50 which is a more conservative approach of trading with EMA. Otherwise, there is a high chances for the market to go sideway between 75.50 and EMA 100 /EMA 200 region even if it rebounds from the current low.

It seems like the current JPY correction is not over yet, so do trade with prudence. At the point of writing, the JPY is still strengthening against most of the commodity currencies including NZD. Good luck!
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  •  amikaking
  • Joined Oct 2012 | Status: Wisdom | 399 Posts
Here is another long trade of AUD/USD with all entry criteria met. Let's see how far price will go.

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  • Jan 16, 2013 5:34am Jan 16, 2013 5:34am
  •  mykap
  • | Joined Oct 2009 | Status: Member | 14 Posts
tqvm Amikaking
 
 
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  •  amikaking
  • Joined Oct 2012 | Status: Wisdom | 399 Posts
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Your assumption is right. The trades I took on NZD/JPY has turned out to be a loser as the candle has closed outside both 100EMA and 200EMA on the 1 hour chart. I will look for opportunity to reenter the trade when the candle closed above both lines.

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Dear patguay, I observed that my trade of NZD/JPY which closed outside range of both EMAs has a tendency of moving back into its uptrend momentum. I have also noticed that if we trade after price has closed outside the range of both EMAs we have a good chance to enter the market earlier. It is similar like extremely oversold or extremely overbought in the RSI once price goes beyond the range. This entry strategy should work as long as the trend is very strong across all TFs. Remember price always tend to respect the energy point of the higher time frames and if price is "out of sync" on the smaller time frame, we have a good chance to pull trigger there.

So I am considering to refine the entry strategy by adding one more rule: Open a second trade after price has closed outside the 100EMA and 200EMA and hold the position as long as the emergency SL is not hit.

How do you think?
 
 
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  •  msia.metal
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Quoting amikaking
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The only way (IMHO) is to trade using MTFA because there is a higher winning odds when there is an alignment across all TFs.
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Don't mind:
You have traded this system for long?

Well explained.
I subscribed!
 
 
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  •  msia.metal
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Ami

To "buy the dips," do you look for some candle patterns to make an entry? or just buy as long as the candle falls in between 100 and 200?

Thanks
 
 
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  •  amikaking
  • Joined Oct 2012 | Status: Wisdom | 399 Posts
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Don't mind:
You have traded this system for long?

Well explained.
I subscribed!
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This is one of my system which uses the same MTF approach as my previous Heiken Ashi system that I traded with good results on the demo for 3 months. I hope you strictly follow the entry rules as described and show us your result here once you have success with it.

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Ami

To "buy the dips," do you look for some candle patterns to make an entry? or just buy as long as the candle falls in between 100 and 200?

Thanks
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If you have studied to trade using Price Action (price pattern), then yes you can use them to filter your entry.

Even if you don't look at the candlestick, just make an entry once you see price closed between 100EMA and 200EMA, and a second entry if price closed outside of the range of both 100EMA and 200EMA. Hold your position until either your SL is hit or your desired TP is achieved.
 
 
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  •  Nate04
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Here is another long trade of AUD/USD with all entry criteria met. Let's see how far price will go.

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I have a question concerning this setup. You say you use the ATR indicator for the stop loss. On the daily that shows 62 pips. So are you looking for somewhere in the range of 60-120 pips total out of this trade then?
 
 
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  •  amikaking
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Here is the USD/SEK (Swedish Krona) short trade that I have taken tonight. So far so good.

(please ignore the H4 chart because I selected wrongly the template when I screenshot this picture =.=)

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  •  amikaking
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I have a question concerning this setup. You say you use the ATR indicator for the stop loss. On the daily that shows 62 pips. So are you looking for somewhere in the range of 60-120 pips total out of this trade then?
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Everyone has different TP approaches. You can either use a 1:1 or 1:2 risk to reward ratio that you mentioned which is 60-120 pips as calculated from your entry, or you can set your TP at the nearest S/R level. I'm currently using the Murray Math Line indicator (with default period setting at 1440) to determine the nearest resistance level as TP once I made my entry on the H1 chart.

Here you go if you don't have.
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  •  Nate04
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Everyone has different TP approaches. You can either use a 1:1 or 1:2 R:R that you mentioned which is 60-120 pips as calculated from your entry, or you can set your TP at the nearest S/R level. I'm currently using the Murray Math Line indicator (with period set at 1440) to determine the nearest resistance level as TP once I made my entry on the H1 chart.

Here you go if you don't have.
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Thanks... I've never used murray math lines before. I just put them on to see what your looking at. From what i'm seeing, your saying your tp would be somewhere around 1.0620, am i right?
 
 
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  •  amikaking
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Yes. But I do change my TP level if I see price has hard time to break through one of the important Murray Math resistance lines.
 
 
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  •  Nate04
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Yes. But I do change my TP level if I see price has hard time to break through one of the important Murray Math resistance line.
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Ok, sounds good. Thanks for the help.
 
 
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  •  amikaking
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Here are the latest live trades I have taken on buying NZD/JPY and selling USD/SEK. I use D1 chart as my viewing frame once I have made my entry on H1.
As you can see from my screenshots, both trades have correctly fulfilled all my entry criteria. Eventually, a hammer and a shooting star are formed this morning on both pairs respectively (thus extra confirmation ). These are examples of how to stack up new position when good setups presented themselves automatically.

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Let's see if target can be hit by this morning. 8/8 and 0/8 are the strongest resistance level so it makes sense put my TP level nearby these lines.

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