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  • #1
  • First Post: Edited 2:23pm Apr 5, 2012 1:47pm | Edited 2:23pm
Is this better than Symphony Trader System?


Break it down and tell me why not? *No repainting indicators, You can certainly use the 60-5 method, multiple charts or just bump the chart for MTF. Easy visual to follow, easy too see the pullbacks. easy to enter, Repaint the Semafor does, *the Semafor follows pa, marking the extreme HL's, if it is taken out, it moves to the new mark. But just easier to say it repaints.


I'm not going to run this thread, if anybody thinks this is a good way to trade and wants to run this thread as a trading system, knock yourself out. Is this a cop out, am I a chickensheet? Yes


But maybe someone who trades Symphonie will take up this challenge, proving Symphonie is a better way to trade.




I think this is as good or better.


cheers
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  • #2
  • Apr 5, 2012 3:22pm Apr 5, 2012 3:22pm
Quoting goldsurfer
Is this better than Symphony Trader System?


Break it down and tell me why not? *No repainting indicators, You can certainly use the 60-5 method, multiple charts or just bump the chart for MTF. Easy visual to follow, easy too see the pullbacks. easy to enter, Repaint the Semafor does, *the Semafor follows pa, marking the extreme HL's, if it is taken out, it moves to the new mark. But just easier to say it repaints.


I'm not going to run this thread, if anybody thinks this is a good way to trade and wants to run this thread...
goldsurfer, I saw once the semafor repainted 12 times, and it was H1...

Symphonie contains the Trendline, Trendline is similar to Supertrend (and it doesn't repaint), so each good Symphonie signal contains a good Trendline signal and in my humble opinion it is the main reason why the Symphonie is profitable.

You can trade pretty profitably Supertrend1 alone (if you check with the higher timeframes), but you can't do it with Semafor because you never know, maybe the H1 Semafor will repaint for another 12 times...
Gentlemen always play by the rules. If they can't, they change the rules.
  • #3
  • Apr 5, 2012 3:36pm Apr 5, 2012 3:36pm
Quoting Favorite
goldsurfer, I saw once the semafor repainted 12 times, and it was H1...

Symphonie contains the Trendline, Trendline is similar to Supertrend (and it doesn't repaint), so each good Symphonie signal contains a good Trendline signal and in my humble opinion it is the main reason why the Symphonie is profitable.

You can trade pretty profitably Supertrend1 alone (if you check with the higher timeframes), but you can't do it with Semafor because you never know, maybe the H1 Semafor will repaint for another 12 times...


WRONG

No offense but that has nothing to do with entering the trade, the semafor follows price action showing the extremes, pa will reverse once the semafor has reached it's high. That's why you have the other indicators. The semafor is no more than a heads up....put it on a M5, M15 chart along with the famous THV trix, watch what happens after the semafor reaches it HH and pa reverses, just about every time you'll get a trix cross.

I'm not going to get into it with you Fav 'cause I know you will go on forever and it can get insulting, Ha! We jus' disagree, case closed!

cheers
  • #4
  • Apr 5, 2012 3:54pm Apr 5, 2012 3:54pm
What is that, like 13 indicators? Sure you have enough? Are you looking for trades or trying to create abstract art?
To improve is to change. To perfect, is to change often.
  • #5
  • Apr 5, 2012 4:15pm Apr 5, 2012 4:15pm
Quoting goldsurfer
Is this better than Symphony Trader System?


Break it down and tell me why not? *No repainting indicators, You can certainly use the 60-5 method, multiple charts or just bump the chart for MTF. Easy visual to follow, easy too see the pullbacks. easy to enter, Repaint the Semafor does, *the Semafor follows pa, marking the extreme HL's, if it is taken out, it moves to the new mark. But just easier to say it repaints.


I'm not going to run this thread, if anybody thinks this is a good way to trade and wants to run this...
If you think this is good or better, then trade it, its completely different, so why the comparison with Symphonie, why not compare with any of the other many systems on FF?
  • #6
  • Apr 5, 2012 6:10pm Apr 5, 2012 6:10pm
Quoting goldsurfer

No offense but that has nothing to do with entering the trade, the semafor follows price action showing the extremes, pa will reverse once the semafor has reached it's high. That's why you have the other indicators. The semafor is no more than a heads up....put it on a M5, M15 chart along with the famous THV trix, watch what happens after the semafor reaches it HH and pa reverses, just about every time you'll get a trix cross.
goldsurfer, I'm afraid you don't understand something very important: when you see that Semafor shows that it reached it's high, you never know, is it final or not! It could be final, but it can go higher for 3-5-10 candles, and every time it would look like it is final!
Gentlemen always play by the rules. If they can't, they change the rules.
  • #7
  • Edited 6:32pm Apr 5, 2012 6:17pm | Edited 6:32pm
Quoting forexhard
What is that, like 13 indicators? Sure you have enough? Are you looking for trades or trying to create abstract art?
Come on, forexhard, where do you see 13 indicators? I see only 12!
Gentlemen always play by the rules. If they can't, they change the rules.
  • #8
  • Apr 5, 2012 6:29pm Apr 5, 2012 6:29pm
Quoting goldsurfer
pa will reverse once the semafor has reached it's high.
No, on the contrary: when pa reaches it's high then semafor reaches it's high!
Gentlemen always play by the rules. If they can't, they change the rules.
  • #9
  • Apr 5, 2012 6:46pm Apr 5, 2012 6:46pm
I'm not going to download the templates or test the strategy, however....

The question is a fair one. Do you think this is any good ?? or any different ??

At a glance, it looks like what I do with a few MA's and some hand-drawn S/R lines. To me, hand-drawn stuff is better. It forces me to study the charts for clues, and to locate the types of things that I recognize as helpful information.

Multi-indicator setups seem to "do all of that for you".

I believe the clues to success are found in the deep study..... Not in the newest indicator array which is expected to just hand me a 'green-light' or 'red-light' to base my trading decisions on.

If this, or any, setup is profitable for someone, then it is the right setup for them. I prefer more simple.
  • #10
  • Apr 5, 2012 6:56pm Apr 5, 2012 6:56pm
Quoting Price
The question is a fair one. Do you think this is any good ?? or any different ??
Quoting Price
Multi-indicator setups seem to "do all of that for you".
I think a good indicator-based system should contain 2-3 indicators. And this goldsurfer's template contains how many? forexhard says 13, but I still think it is only 12!
Gentlemen always play by the rules. If they can't, they change the rules.
  • #11
  • Apr 5, 2012 7:14pm Apr 5, 2012 7:14pm
Yeah, I was anticipating the one that he comes back in here with. Why stop at just 12 when you can have 13??? Hell, there's even an MA fan around here somewhere with over 200 lines in it. Maybe he can add his 12/13/14 indis to that. The more indis you have, the better the results, right? RIGHT??!!??
To improve is to change. To perfect, is to change often.
  • #12
  • Apr 5, 2012 7:28pm Apr 5, 2012 7:28pm
Quoting forexhard
Yeah, I was anticipating the one that he comes back in here with. Why stop at just 12 when you can have 13???
forexhard, I think you're right: after the topic-starter sees you, I'm sure he will add the Squalou's indicator!

forexhard, do you remember Dirtybrown's template? goldsurfer's template will be even "better"!
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  • #13
  • Edited 10:16pm Apr 5, 2012 7:50pm | Edited 10:16pm
Quoting Favorite
forexhard, I think you're right: after the topic-starter sees you, I'm sure he will add the Squalou's indicator!

forexhard, do you remember Dirtybrown's template? goldsurfer's template will be even "better"!
Now I don't think it's near as good as Dirty Browns, but look who's talking, How many Indy does Extreme TMA with MTF have on it? Alorente do like his indicators. 7 bands, coral, trix, TMA slope, dashboard...


I'm just saying it works as good as Symphonie. It has 5 Ma's, non-lag ma, TVI, Buy-Sell. You gotta make a matrix or two! You don't need the cloud,the SAH just flags the MMA order, so you can nix that too!


cheers
  • #14
  • Edited 10:43pm Apr 5, 2012 7:55pm | Edited 10:43pm
Look Like I stirred 'em up!


Skiming thru the S thread the other day, I noticed a discusssion between Eval and somebody about the merits of the TVI Indy vs. the Extreme Indy, which is basically the same thing as the Semafor, one's on the chart, one is a window indy, which is the biggest diff. between the two. TVI /ALF is an old thread started by LOU G seems like years ago. The conclusion is Eval will defend his system till the Sun quits rising in the east.


So here is the NO REPAINT version which is to be compared to Symphonie, U need to include the indicators from the zip in post 1, all time frames are good, use the 60 drop down to 5 for entry, or even M15 to M1. Or just trade your favorite time frame. No pivots, etc included, add your favorite. No AUTO-REFRESH needed.


You can nix cloud and SAH if your pc is bogging down!


Still waiting on a 1500 word essay from Eval




cheers
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  • #15
  • Edited 8:23pm Apr 5, 2012 7:56pm | Edited 8:23pm
Quoting Favorite
I think a good indicator-based system should contain 2-3 indicators.
Quoting goldsurfer
look who's talking, How many Indy does Extreme TMA with MTF have on it? Alorente do like his indicators. 7 bands, coral, trix, TMA slope, dashboard...
goldsurfer, I trade a modification of the Alorente's system that contains only 3 indicators.

And the TMS system contains only 3 indicators.

And my modification of the VQ system contains only 2 indicators.
Gentlemen always play by the rules. If they can't, they change the rules.
  • #16
  • Apr 5, 2012 8:00pm Apr 5, 2012 8:00pm
Quoting forexhard
What is that, like 13 indicators? Sure you have enough? Are you looking for trades or trying to create abstract art?
I'm waiting for someone to build a matrix!
  • #17
  • Apr 5, 2012 8:02pm Apr 5, 2012 8:02pm
Quoting Favorite
goldsurfer, I trade a modification of the Alorente's system that contains only 3 indicators.

And the TMS system contains only 3 indicators.

And my modification of the VQ system contains only 2 indicators.
Well Fav this system hasn't been modified yet, sorry!

cheers
  • #18
  • Apr 5, 2012 8:07pm Apr 5, 2012 8:07pm
Quoting Favorite
Probably goldsurfer is not very happy about the latest Symphonie's version (3.0) and he wants to show his unhappyness in this very creative way...
I've never traded symphonie except on demo...never liked it but each his own.

I'm always happy

cheers
  • #19
  • Apr 5, 2012 9:36pm Apr 5, 2012 9:36pm
This is kinda fun but supper time here on west coast.

Think of a good insult for tomorrow

cheers
  • #20
  • Apr 5, 2012 11:18pm Apr 5, 2012 11:18pm
It's gonna be better to have a separate temp for M1 and M5....

See Cable at Tokyo open, M5 MMA's cross 200 sma, drop down to M1 for better entry and shorter SL.

Don't believe the pic, put it in the simulator for the same setup and result.


cheers
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