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  • Feb 19, 2010 11:58am Feb 19, 2010 11:58am
  •  Paulus
  • Joined Dec 2007 | Status: Member | 2,600 Posts
nice conclusion

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  • Feb 19, 2010 12:23pm Feb 19, 2010 12:23pm
  •  chamane
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Hi,

I just want to add a few cents to the discussion. I remember seeing some video regarding divergence. On top of divergence itself, some rules were followed to make sure entries were not false signals. I am leaving a picture that says it all. The trader was using another indicator, but MACD is often mentioned to be the best for divergence trading. I hope I am not interfering with the spirit of this thread.

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  • Feb 19, 2010 10:15pm Feb 19, 2010 10:15pm
  •  harigp
  • Joined Jun 2008 | Status: Divergence Seeker | 1,749 Posts
Paulus

You are seeing in the chart what I am trying to say and see . Will try to post more divergence charts so other can also use and make some pip

Cheers
 
 
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  • Feb 19, 2010 11:00pm Feb 19, 2010 11:00pm
  •  harigp
  • Joined Jun 2008 | Status: Divergence Seeker | 1,749 Posts
I Like to share little bit advanced level on this system by using H 1 Chart and trying to predicate who is going to dominate the market and what you should do In the m5 chart

I am attaching the H 1 CHART where you can see as the day progress the MACD bars deepness is reducing which says that the selling pressure is
reducing. The red line in the MACD cross was still bullish during Asia session and by the time new york market started the price Went up

So based on this you can enter for a long trade using M 5 when there is a
price drop
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  • Feb 20, 2010 4:32am Feb 20, 2010 4:32am
  •  Paulus
  • Joined Dec 2007 | Status: Member | 2,600 Posts
Hi

Harigp /chamane

I understand what your both saying here will the extra analysis give you a better equity curve..will you miss out on some good signals because parts of the puzzle dont fit ?

hats the only thing I really worry about in trading too much information perhaps can cloud the essentials ie'is this a good signal'

Ive always worked on the principle of taking every signal im in front of the screen for I take no notice of support res levels or pivot points... trend lines yes but with divergence I dont use them because im mixing a subjective matter with a none subjective matter ie where to draw the trend line and clear diversity with the macd.

Over many years I have come to the conclusion that to disregard a trade because of support or resistance in the LONG run doesnt matter its swing and round abouts.

Most of my charts system utilize simplistic approach in the case of trend systems identify the trend by using a mechanical method that will be the same for every trade and is not subjective and then identify the entry.

With this style of trading and I thank you hargrip for getting me interested in diversity again I still like to keep it mechanical.And for me I utilze just 2 rules atm

 

  1. For a long I use diversity between 2 peaks above the zero line but the 2 peaks must be broken by a peak below the zero line this way Im using a more defined pull back on price and not just waves of the macd above the zero line
  2. Once the peak has diversity with price I wait for the entry which is the main line cutting up through the signal line

This keeps things simple and none subjective my TP is always the the golden fib ratio 61.8 and in the case of a long will be the 61.8 level of the last down move.

lets keep this going and please harigp please dont take my comments as a move to change any thing here

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  • Feb 21, 2010 9:42pm Feb 21, 2010 9:42pm
  •  harigp
  • Joined Jun 2008 | Status: Divergence Seeker | 1,749 Posts
The EU in one hour chart the MACD is playing above the zero line. If the bullishness continues the MACD cross will be above the zero line with some retrace but not crossing the zero line down

If this is going to be the H1 outlook on EU, buy the dip using M5 chart.
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  • Feb 21, 2010 9:54pm Feb 21, 2010 9:54pm
  •  Jaquille
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This is how I understand divergence. When a lower price makes a higher peak in the subchart, it is positive divergence and that is the buy signal.
 
 
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  • Feb 22, 2010 2:01pm Feb 22, 2010 2:01pm
  •  Paulus
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Hi

quite a nice looking signal notice that the macd did not break above zero between the 2 macd peaks so it qualifies

TP is again 61.8 of last up move

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  • Feb 22, 2010 2:08pm Feb 22, 2010 2:08pm
  •  harigp
  • Joined Jun 2008 | Status: Divergence Seeker | 1,749 Posts
I had a very small trade on GJ long for 11 pip it went little bit more but I closed it little earlier

The reason for the trade in M 5

Noticed low and lower Low

MACD Bar started to move up but still not crossed the zero line above
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  • Feb 22, 2010 3:26pm Feb 22, 2010 3:26pm
  •  Paulus
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hi harigp

I see that setting up but just wasnt around

I would be looking at around 141.35 as a top which is the 61.8 fib

looks good wd on it

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  • Feb 22, 2010 3:32pm Feb 22, 2010 3:32pm
  •  Paulus
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I will be going long in a couple mins if the set up is still there on USDCHF will post a chart if i go long

P
 
 
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  • Feb 22, 2010 3:51pm Feb 22, 2010 3:51pm
  •  Paulus
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ok long
15mins late though walked out the office ..TP is normal fib level

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  • Feb 22, 2010 4:30pm Feb 22, 2010 4:30pm
  •  chamane
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Quoting Paulus
Disliked
ok long
15mins late though walked out the office ..TP is normal fib level

P
Ignored
Paulus,

Do you take into account that we are about to end NY session, or do you take the signals whenever they happen?
Thanks
 
 
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  • Feb 23, 2010 3:00am Feb 23, 2010 3:00am
  •  Paulus
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Hi Chamane

A good question and one that cropps up in all threads

ideally we want to trade with volatility and that really means with the US market open...

Saying that if I'm in front of the PC and see a signal with the US closed I will often take it..

If you've made 3 trades that day and you have made some good money a trade in low volatility is worth the risk...if you've had a bad trading day Id prob leave it alone and wait for a better opportunity

regards

Paul
 
 
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  • Feb 23, 2010 3:39am Feb 23, 2010 3:39am
  •  harigp
  • Joined Jun 2008 | Status: Divergence Seeker | 1,749 Posts
[quote=harigp;3485281]The EU in one hour chart the MACD is playing above the zero line. If the bullishness continues the MACD cross will be above the zero line with some retrace but not crossing the zero line down

If this is going to be the H1 outlook on EU, buy the dip using M5 chart.


Seems Working out
 
 
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  • Feb 23, 2010 4:08am Feb 23, 2010 4:08am
  •  sinner-
  • Joined Apr 2009 | Status: RETIRED | 1,947 Posts
Great thread.

Great method.

Nice work both harigp and Paulus, this post is gold:

http://www.forexfactory.com/showpost...7&postcount=25

A system right there.
 
 
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  • Feb 23, 2010 7:52am Feb 23, 2010 7:52am
  •  Paulus
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just entered this set up on EURGBP

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  • Feb 23, 2010 7:53am Feb 23, 2010 7:53am
  •  harigp
  • Joined Jun 2008 | Status: Divergence Seeker | 1,749 Posts
A nice Bearish divergence was played in the H1 chart. Price moved up very fast but the MACD has not supported the move.

From the news point of view just before the german news price pumped up but the sellers were ready to short.

Right now the MACD in HI is weak
 
 
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  • Feb 23, 2010 9:37am Feb 23, 2010 9:37am
  •  chamane
  • Joined Jan 2009 | Status: Member | 1,986 Posts
Just entered this one. Let's see what happens.

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  • Feb 23, 2010 9:54am Feb 23, 2010 9:54am
  •  chngster
  • | Joined May 2009 | Status: Member | 391 Posts
Harigp and team,

Could you explain how in the G/J 1H chart what I am missing? There was a divergence (triple peaks even) and I've marked it where I think you should go long based on your rules.

Thanks,
Chngster
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Thank you Crucial Point, Bleek, Trizzle, Darkstar
 
 
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