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  • Jul 5, 2010 9:33am Jul 5, 2010 9:33am
  •  sfchunge
  • | Joined Apr 2010 | Status: Member | 5 Posts
Have been "betting directions of exchange rates" for the last 3 yrs. Previously was doing that out of Singapore when I was resident there. Now I am commiting a supposedly illegal act because I continue what I have been doing in my beloved Malaysia. Of course that has yet to be decided by the courts whether betting directions of exchange rates constitutes trading in currencies. One strike against that is there will never be delivery of the currencies. Unlike a bank customer who buys/sells MYR vs Foreign currency for biz purposes, there could be delivery. So can that be deemed trading of currencies if there will never be physical delivery? That would be interesting to see how the courts would decide if we ever come to that.

Forex traders are by nature risk takers in nature. 95% of them lose money yet we think we are going to be in the other 5%. So how come so many of us suddenly lack balls when we see such a circular from BNN?

I can understand BNN position. Members of the stupiiiid public made complaints against those forex cons. (They deserved to be conned btw if they dont do their homework b4 plunging in) Obviously the best way for them to be seen doing their job ie protecting the public is to publish new rules prohibiting currency trading. Also since 95% traders lose money, I guess they feel they are doing the bulk of you a great service by discouraging you to trade forex. Since you most probably sell MYR to buy USD to fund your account, by stopping you, they are protecting the MYR and keep it strong. So they are doing their job.


And for the rest of you kamikaze traders and with balls (and equivalent to the other sex), do what you do, lie low, TRY to survive and prosper, but keep your winnings overseas till it is safe to bring them back. Although I could not think a logical reason to want to bring it back except to cover cost of living.

You can't be a worldclass financial centre, with such restrictive forex practices. Perhaps when that old man is no longer around to influence and bad mouth current PMs, maybe , just maybe , our forex scenes may move a notch up. Then it may be safe to come out and play then.
 
 
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  • Jul 5, 2010 8:21pm Jul 5, 2010 8:21pm
  •  skenobi
  • Joined Oct 2007 | Status: Former institutional dogsbody | 1,253 Posts
1. I agree with some of your sentiments but will make the following exceptions:

2. Forex in this country is not restrictive. Converting TO foreign currency is not a hassle. Converting FROM foreign currency is not a hassle. Not to me anyway. And I definitely do not have to "hide" or "lie low" or do any of that nonsense James Bond stuff.

3. Traders just have to convert *THEIR* MYR to foreign currency assets via legal channels. After that, what they do with it is their own affair. Where is the restriction, I ask? All BNM wants is for people to not speculate against the ringgit. Is that too much to ask?

4. They can trade non-MYR pairs to their hearts' content. It's already safe. If they want to enjoy the fruits of their trading by repatriating the profit to MYR, by all means go ahead. The local forex scene does not need ringgit to move ahead.

5. If you want to keep your "winnings" overseas and not repatriate them, even better and nothing wrong with that. If I was BNM also, I would not want my monthly statistics contaminated with speculative flows anyway.


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Have been "betting directions of exchange rates" for the last 3 yrs. Previously was doing that out of Singapore when I was resident there. Now I am commiting a supposedly...
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  • Jul 8, 2010 6:31am Jul 8, 2010 6:31am
  •  graceheather
  • | Joined Jun 2010 | Status: Prestigious Member | 54 Posts
Yes. I think Malaysia has banned forex trading.

Some forex trainer friends that I know of, they no longer allowed to do public training on Forex topic.

Hope that it soon will be allowed again.
 
 
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  • Jul 9, 2010 4:10am Jul 9, 2010 4:10am
  •  wanrayman
  • | Joined Feb 2010 | Status: Member | 8 Posts
Quoting Jey
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Thanks! thats great to know. I suppose I wont have problems in withdrawing $10,000 every Fridays then. Perhaps need to withdraw a few times.
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wow $10,000 every friday? thats alot!

mind sharing ur system??

hehehehe
 
 
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  • Edited 2:38am Jul 11, 2010 2:35am | Edited 2:38am
  •  Ghazali
  • | Joined Jun 2007 | Status: Core Player! | 13 Posts
Ok Guyz,

Wanna Tell you guyz a good news. My boss is malaysian stock market tiger and he was really doing very well in that but not into FOREX. When I talked to him 3 weeks ago regarding ONLINE FOREX and the problems that online traders facing especially matters related to BN-M, he smiled at me and told me that you need to wait 5 months for 'THAT'. 'THAT' here refers to the process of the BN-M and Government giving license to international brokers to operate in malaysia.

When i Heard that i felt that was a nice joke to hear and told myself this is man is really dint know whats happening around. But when he printout an article from BN-M and gave it to me, Im really shocked. Then I know this man do have some insiders contact to get-to know whatever things going on inside BN-M.

This statement was released on 25 jun 2010 but I come to know few days ago. Anyway Im giving the link and you guyz can view it with your own eyes. One more important thing that I hope and would be appreciate that they wont change their mind and cancel this golden plank to online traders like us.

BNM LINK:http://www.bnm.gov.my/index.php?ch=8&pg=69&ac=2077〈=bm
 
 
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  • Jul 11, 2010 3:34am Jul 11, 2010 3:34am
  •  Jey
  • | Joined Jun 2009 | Status: Market Slave-Overworked/Underpipped | 283 Posts
here we go again....
this is what happens when the thread is not read before posting
I have seen the enemy, and it is me.
 
 
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  • Edited Jul 12, 2010 12:14am Jul 11, 2010 9:16pm | Edited Jul 12, 2010 12:14am
  •  skenobi
  • Joined Oct 2007 | Status: Former institutional dogsbody | 1,253 Posts
1. With respect, your boss may be a Malaysian stock market "tiger" but apparently he is not an institutional financial markets insider, otherwise he would have read the BNM statement very carefully.

2. Please read the English version of that statement (search for it on the BNM website). The Bahasa version refers to "URUS NIAGA BORONG ANTARA BANK". This means "WHOLESALE TRADING" i.e. interbank FX trading between banks, and NOT RETAIL FX TRADING i.e. FX trading by independent day traders.

3. Please refer to my reply here:
http://www.forexfactory.com/showpost...&postcount=155

4. Please also read the entire thread (from START to FINISH) carefully before posting what could potentially be mis-leading information.

5. Please also use this methodology EVERY TIME you enter into an existing conversation so you do not unnecessarily re-visit issues that have already been discussed/clarified/resolved unless you have any fresh input or ideas to inject into the discussion.

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Ok Guyz,...
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  • Jul 12, 2010 4:01am Jul 12, 2010 4:01am
  •  Jey
  • | Joined Jun 2009 | Status: Market Slave-Overworked/Underpipped | 283 Posts
Good feedback Imran, the last thing we need at the moment is more misleading news. BTW, Should get that "tiger" of the stock market to join us and become tigers in retail fx market too. We can all then growl together and help each other.
I have seen the enemy, and it is me.
 
 
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  • Jul 12, 2010 4:17am Jul 12, 2010 4:17am
  •  skenobi
  • Joined Oct 2007 | Status: Former institutional dogsbody | 1,253 Posts
1. haha.. Last time I checked on Animal Planet, I thought only lions or wolves hunt in packs, not tigers.

2. Anyways, I'm sure FF will welcome him but for me, Malaysian stock market is not my cup of tea.

3. That market not transparent enough to me.

4. Anyone making money from equity options or index futures, I salute them. But methinks I will stick with forex for now.


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Good feedback Imran, the last thing we need at the moment is more misleading news. BTW, Should get that "tiger" of the stock market to join us and become tigers in retail fx market too. We can all then growl together and help each other.
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  • Jul 13, 2010 7:03am Jul 13, 2010 7:03am
  •  Ghazali
  • | Joined Jun 2007 | Status: Core Player! | 13 Posts
IM sorry GUyz,

I misunderstood the BNM statement but i heard that there will some as I told u guyz, I agree with imran that local market not enough transparency even almost knows this but anyhow he is making money, so let him with his stuff.

But few friend of mine they told me that not to keep your per transaction exceeding RM50K and if you did, they might freeze your bank account and all what you have to do is printout your trading statement and other related docs bring to BNM and just declare the source of money and after that there wont be any problems, but this was 1 year ago. My current experience is with 1 of my online trading friend, I know him since 4 years, he is a full time trader, he told me that his monthly transactions will nearly hit RM50K, so far he doesnt has any problem with that. What does he meant was, he will break the 50K into few chunks than withdraw.

So anyway, Jey which broker you're using?
 
 
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  • Jul 13, 2010 7:44am Jul 13, 2010 7:44am
  •  Jey
  • | Joined Jun 2009 | Status: Market Slave-Overworked/Underpipped | 283 Posts
Broker? I am not even trading, I'm a full time loafer from Zimbabwe who hangs around fx forums and blogs whole day. I just post in forums and spend my time reading forums. Then I go home and take a rest. Then I post some more. I survive on gov't social security handouts monthly. Who needs work?

*hint: I'm a low profiler*
I have seen the enemy, and it is me.
 
 
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  • Jul 13, 2010 7:48am Jul 13, 2010 7:48am
  •  Ghazali
  • | Joined Jun 2007 | Status: Core Player! | 13 Posts
Quoting Jey
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Broker? I am not even trading, I'm a full time loafer from Zimbabwe who hangs around fx forums and blogs whole day. I just post in forums and spend my time reading forums. Then I go home and take a rest. Then I post some more. I survive on gov't social security handouts monthly. Who needs work?

*hint: I'm a low profiler*
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<-- Really... Thanks Bro....
 
 
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  • Jul 13, 2010 9:18am Jul 13, 2010 9:18am
  •  skenobi
  • Joined Oct 2007 | Status: Former institutional dogsbody | 1,253 Posts
As with anything, moderation is best.



Quoting Jey
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Broker? I am not even trading, I'm a full time loafer from Zimbabwe who hangs around fx forums and blogs whole day. I just post in forums and spend my time reading forums. Then I go home and take a rest. Then I post some more. I survive on gov't social security handouts monthly. Who needs work?

*hint: I'm a low profiler*
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  • Jul 15, 2010 8:29am Jul 15, 2010 8:29am
  •  arick4eva
  • | Joined Oct 2009 | Status: Junior Member | 3 Posts
I just want to thank you guys for the feedback. For me, I'm not concerned more on "making profit consistently" because I am doing so. Only worry of "getting caught for forex trading" since I do not know anything of the related laws. If tiba2 kena fine RM 1 million, no money to pay maa... But know i guess i can trade at ease... no more worries. thanks again.
 
 
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  • Jul 21, 2010 2:51am Jul 21, 2010 2:51am
  •  tradpat
  • | Joined Jul 2010 | Status: I LOVE MACD | 511 Posts
Hi Fellow Malaysians and Traders

Do I have to file income tax if I trade fx - part time vs. full time (I do intend to go for full time in the near future) when get fund from overseas brokers? Pls. advise / nasihat. Thank you / terima kasih.

tpat
 
 
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  • Jul 21, 2010 3:24am Jul 21, 2010 3:24am
  •  skenobi
  • Joined Oct 2007 | Status: Former institutional dogsbody | 1,253 Posts
1. If you trade the same as anyone here, you don't really "receive" funds from overseas brokers.

2. You invest your "foreign currency assets" overseas, in the form of the non-MYR "margin deposit" you place with an offshore broker.

3. The profit you make (assuming you make any) is the "return" on your "deposit". The key question you need an answer to is whether this "return" is taxable upon repatriation and conversion to your tax domicile currency.

4. Last time I checked, there are no tax experts here. If there were, nobody's admitting it. I personally cannot advise, as I am not a licensed tax adviser. And how I declare my income, I cannot reveal as it may be misconstrued as "advice".

5. There is a book I can suggest, MALAYSIA MASTER TAX GUIDE 2010, available in large bookstores. You might want to try that and make your own interpretations.

6. Hope that helps.


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Hi Fellow Malaysians and Traders

Do I have to file income tax if I trade fx - part time vs. full time (I do intend to go for full time in the near future) when get fund from overseas brokers? Pls. advise / nasihat. Thank you / terima kasih.

tpat
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  • Jul 25, 2010 10:24pm Jul 25, 2010 10:24pm
  •  tradpat
  • | Joined Jul 2010 | Status: I LOVE MACD | 511 Posts
Quoting imranyusof
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[color=DarkGreen][b]1. If you trade the same as anyone here, you...
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Terima Kasih, imranyusof, for your input. You are very good and very details.

I see the problem...

Since there is proper written laws / regulations on fx's "return," then our LHDN would have more advantage over the fx traders. You know many Malaysians are not aware of the rulings of many subjects. Might be LHDN could say what ever they wish to say in their favor to tax the traders if they were caught for not clearing the "income" ("return"). Just my guess. I hope I am wrong.

Have a nice day.
 
 
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  •  skenobi
  • Joined Oct 2007 | Status: Former institutional dogsbody | 1,253 Posts
1. I'm afraid "not aware" is not a good excuse for not knowing if what we do is legal or not. Cannot depend on doing things in "good faith" all the time.

2. You are right that LHDN can "say whatever" but at least they can point to any statute and say they are guided by that. It's the tax-payer's duty to himself and his family to make sure he is taxed fairly (if tax is payable) and not for more than his fair share.

3. For that to happen, the tax-payer must also be savvy with tax laws in his tax domicile country to make sure he doesn't get fvcked in the a$$ by his Government when they spend his tax money on "syok sendiri" projects. (and this is hopefully the LAST you will ever hear from me vis-a-vis politics).

4. Me? I prefer to pay 'zakat'.


Quoting tradpat
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Terima Kasih, imranyusof, for your input. You are very good and very details.

I see the problem...

Since there is proper written laws / regulations on fx's "return," then our LHDN would have more advantage over the fx traders. You know many Malaysians are not aware of the rulings of many subjects. Might be LHDN could say what ever they wish to say in their favor to tax the traders if they were caught for not clearing the "income" ("return"). Just my guess. I hope I am wrong.

Have a nice day.
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  •  skenobi
  • Joined Oct 2007 | Status: Former institutional dogsbody | 1,253 Posts
http://bit.ly/d4YFvW

1. The above BNM statement was released about half an hour ago. I will comment at length if required later when time permits.

2. On the face of it, it does not appear to affect or be good news or bad news for retail non-MYR pair FX traders.

3. It appears to be one small step to internationalizing the ringgit which concerns only those involved in "international trade in goods in services" and locally-incorporated companies with foreign parents.

4. Whether it will be good or bad for the ringgit when trade opens again tomorrow morning remains to be seen. USDMYR dropped 100 pips to below 3.1500 after the news was released.

5. Personally I don't see why USDMYR should drop. If the statement is taken as it is, USDMYR should actually be firmer, as there appear to be little urgency for Residents to repatriate foreign currency gains to MYR. Unless exporters are bleeding anyway by now....

6. We would all appreciate it if everyone would please read the BNM statement carefully from start to finish before commenting further. And I hope we would also leave politics out of this discussion.
I'm not trying to convince anyone. I'm not in the "convincing" business.
 
 
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  • Aug 19, 2010 12:48am Aug 19, 2010 12:48am
  •  Praveen Shan
  • | Joined Aug 2010 | Status: Junior Member | 3 Posts
Forex in Malaysia is illegal , if conducted by local institutions or institutions acting within Malaysia and its law.

If you were the setup a offshore bank acct and operate thru n offshore brokerage.Jurisdiction is not in one's country of residence. Therefore , it would be perfectly legal to trade , as long as you choose a country with no restrictions

Other things to look out for when choosing a country to start your trading acct; include income tax policy's , trading rules set by the governing board (eg its perfectly ok to hedge the same currency pair in Australia but not in US), if bank accts are insured, etc etc etc
 
 
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