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Let's talk future and solutions

  • #21
  • May 11, 2009 7:32pm May 11, 2009 7:32pm
Quoting maheswara
a solution?
what about changing the whole economic model from a debt based , to a resource based ...
http://www.thevenusproject.com/
I don't know if I'm sold on that. But I appreciate your post and applaud the fact that someone took the initiative to think of something rather than sitting there and say "oh well, that's how it is".
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  • #22
  • May 11, 2009 7:37pm May 11, 2009 7:37pm
Quoting hilmy83
i'm not promoting religion in any way. But I would suggest practicing the true islamic finance. This means interest free loans and banks share teh risk with the lendees in terms of business loans and other things.

I know not all 'islamic' banks follow what the holy book have asked the muslims to practice, but I think islamic finance as dictated in teh Quran would solve this financial shit.
Just as an aside comment Hilmy, I would really like it if you were to post more. I read lots of your posts before I signed up on FF. Something for you to think about.

And I completely agree with the concept known as "Islamic" financing. I think it's just a matter of terminology. If it was called "shared liability financing" for example. Something for the marketing people in financial institutions to figure out.

I see that as a possible solution. Much appreciated Hilmy!
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  • #23
  • May 11, 2009 7:40pm May 11, 2009 7:40pm
Quoting fenlander
well Jay,
It seems i am not the only one with very pessimistic views regarding human nature ! I wish it were not that way, but
you cant deny the obvious.
Fenlander, I suggest you take a look at The Video Store thread. I started it and placed a lot of links there to what is supposedly "pessimism porn". I'm also a subscriber to Marc Faber's "Gloom Boom Doom" monthly newsletter. Hardly uplifting material when Bloomberg calls him "Dr. Doom. They also call Roubini and Schiff that and I'm a fan of both.

But I digress. It's nothing new that things are bad and it's easy to wallow in pessimism.

Pardon the language, but the best plants grow on the worst piles of shit.

But now that we know that it stinks, let's talk about the plants we can grow.
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  • #24
  • May 11, 2009 7:54pm May 11, 2009 7:54pm
Quoting mjotic
It seems that more people are interested in breaking free from the social system that has been in place since civilization began. Haven't people noticed that for the past 5000 years society has always been structured around oppressors and those being oppressed. We've been conditioned and lied to for centuries and we still continue to perpetuate this structure. In my opinion religion played a massive role in creating this structure but now the rich have taken over its reigns.
I grew up in a catholic household and spent my high school in a seminary. So you're almost literally preaching to the choir.

Quoting mjotic
The solution lies in determining why humans psychologically can't recognize this. Even if some do there are still fewer who are motivated enough to do anything about it. Venturing into the unknown where chaos can result is enough to put most people off from even thinking about the implementation of a new social system.
To summarize it, people prefer to be safe than be free.

Quoting mjotic
Also on a somewhat related note, why are people chastised for not voting when sometimes the best course of action is not to choose where no candidate is adequate. Why would people assume that those who do not vote are just lazy, irresponsible or disinterested?
I respectfully disagree with that. No matter what one's views are, I firmly believe that he/she should vote. If no candidate is adequate, then ask yourself why. Is it that they are willing to compromise (as politicians inevitably have to do) and you're not? Is it because none have views in line with yours? Are you willing to compromise and vote for the candidate who's policy is closest to your views? And if that's not an option, would you consider running for office yourself?

After all, if you have some views that make sense, chances are others agree with you and maybe the only way to get your ideas on the table is to run for office yourself.
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  • #25
  • Last Post: May 11, 2009 7:56pm May 11, 2009 7:56pm
Quoting maheswara
despite everything bad that has been happening in our world ,
I believe we all have a better future waiting ,
cause we destroy to rebuild ,

ah reminds of a song by Lennon , Imagine ...
From personal experience, my biggest disasters have been my best opportunities.
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