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  • First Post: Jan 2, 2005 4:38pm Jan 2, 2005 4:38pm
  •  dbraendler
  • | Joined Jan 2005 | Status: Member | 1 Post
Hi all,
I was looking at an old thread from Merlin that was talking about interest rates, and how some places (ie oanda) pay interest. As he pointed out this is on average is a bad thing, as if you are trading all currencies you get stung by the difference between their interest rates for buy and sell. Unless as he also pointed out you stick to just those trades with good (or at least positive) differentials. This limits you to 50% of possible trades, but as I was going to chose 4 currencies to trade this does not seem like such a big deal.

I just want to make sure that I have this right.

If I buy 1 lot (100,000) of say AUD/JPY where the interest rate differential is 5% (I don't know exactly) then each day this trade runs you get
100,000 * 1 * (0.05/360) = 13.88 AUD in interest. This is just over 1 pips, but you get this every day you are in the trade. It looks like the AUD/JPY moves about 40 pips per day, so if you are in for the medium term you add just over 1 pip per day to your position. (On the other hand if you sell AUD/JPY you lose just over 1 pip per day).

Of course you have to be able to risk 100,000 over some days .. but it really does not matter on the size of the trade. It works out as 1 pip per day on whatever amount bought. This seems to increase profitabiliy a lot if medium - long term trades are the go. Yes you limit yourselve to the trade you can make, but if the buy signals were good for the trade, then surely sticking to positive interest rate differentials pairs increases your odds significantly.

I am *very* new to the whole forex game (still got at least 10 weeks of paper trading to go before I will start for real), and I am just in the process of learning all that I can about it, so please forgive me if this is a stupid question.

Dave
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  • Jan 2, 2005 5:20pm Jan 2, 2005 5:20pm
  •  merlin
  • Joined Mar 2004 | Status: Magic Man | 3,220 Posts
dave you have it right on. if you go long the GBPUSD, you will get paid one pip per day to hold the position, and 3 pips on wednesdays (thats triple rollover day for most brokers). there is money to be extracted from this extra edge. ive never got to exploiting this edge, however, because i dont like to limit my strategies to one direction and i dont normally hold positions long term. but if you dont mind doing so, this would be a good edge to have on your side.
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  • Jun 25, 2005 5:35pm Jun 25, 2005 5:35pm
  •  compsingh
  • | Joined Jun 2005 | Status: Member | 14 Posts
Quoting merlin
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dave you have it right on. if you go long the GBPUSD, you will get paid one pip per day to hold the position, and 3 pips on wednesdays (thats triple rollover day for most brokers). there is money to be extracted from this extra edge. ive never got to exploiting this edge, however, because i dont like to limit my strategies to one direction and i dont normally hold positions long term. but if you dont mind doing so, this would be a good edge to have on your side.
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merlin I am a total newbie to trading after being in e-commerce business for sometime. is it possible to shave the interest differential by holding the position over the weekend and recovering the spread somehow using scalping.
 
 
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  • Jun 26, 2005 1:01am Jun 26, 2005 1:01am
  •  Redleg
  • | Joined Mar 2005 | Status: Member | 57 Posts
Check out this website: http://www.electricsavant.com/

That guy has a strategy for profiting solely from the interest rate differentials in forex. He claims to make good money doing just that.

I'm not endorsing his methods, but it's a very interesting approach.

James
 
 
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  • Jun 26, 2005 11:04pm Jun 26, 2005 11:04pm
  •  merlin
  • Joined Mar 2004 | Status: Magic Man | 3,220 Posts
Quoting Redleg
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Check out this website: http://www.electricsavant.com/

That guy has a strategy for profiting solely from the interest rate differentials in forex. He claims to make good money doing just that.

I'm not endorsing his methods, but it's a very interesting approach.

James
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this is an area that i really think you can make money. james can you give me some insight into his methods? how do you know him?
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  • Jun 27, 2005 9:05am Jun 27, 2005 9:05am
  •  Redleg
  • | Joined Mar 2005 | Status: Member | 57 Posts
Quoting merlin
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this is an area that i really think you can make money. james can you give me some insight into his methods? how do you know him?
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Hi Merlin,

I only know him from his posts on different internet forums.

The system is available in an excel spreadsheet at his website. He trades with Oanda, and opens a subaccount where he parks half of his cash. He then builds up positions on high interest producing pairs, with the intent of eventually becoming 100% leveraged in the main account at 50:1. (Oanda has max leverage of 50:1 for opening a position, but you don't hit margin call until 100:1). If there is a risk of margin call, he taps into his second account to prevent it. He shoots for 25% return per year, based solely on interest and not trades. The martingale aspects kind of bug me, but it is definitely an interesting approach, and I'm not sure how else you would maintain a permanent carry position with leverage.

There is a lengthy thread on elitetrader called "Elite Trader's Gambler's Anonymous ETGA" that discuss the system ad nauseum. Hope that helps.

James
 
 
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  • Jun 29, 2005 5:07pm Jun 29, 2005 5:07pm
  •  merlin
  • Joined Mar 2004 | Status: Magic Man | 3,220 Posts
Quoting Redleg
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Hi Merlin,

I only know him from his posts on different internet forums.

The system is available in an excel spreadsheet at his website. He trades with Oanda, and opens a subaccount where he parks half of his cash. He then builds up positions on high interest producing pairs, with the intent of eventually becoming 100% leveraged in the main account at 50:1. (Oanda has max leverage of 50:1 for opening a position, but you don't hit margin call until 100:1). If there is a risk of margin call, he taps into his second account to prevent it. He shoots for 25% return per year, based solely on interest and not trades. The martingale aspects kind of bug me, but it is definitely an interesting approach, and I'm not sure how else you would maintain a permanent carry position with leverage.

There is a lengthy thread on elitetrader called "Elite Trader's Gambler's Anonymous ETGA" that discuss the system ad nauseum. Hope that helps.

James
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thanks for the info Red. this looks interesting. i agree that the martingale betting is a scary proposition, but i bet you can rework that part to use anti-. also if you combine this system with a half decent trading system i bet you can really beef up your returns. so many ideas, so little time
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  • Oct 2, 2005 5:13pm Oct 2, 2005 5:13pm
  •  merlin
  • Joined Mar 2004 | Status: Magic Man | 3,220 Posts
yeah man start the thread. im very interested in your stuff. do me a favor though and keep it self contained in your thread (ie all the info is in the thread, you dont have to go to another site to get the real info.).
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  • Oct 2, 2005 5:15pm Oct 2, 2005 5:15pm
  •  merlin
  • Joined Mar 2004 | Status: Magic Man | 3,220 Posts
hey electric, once you make your thread, can you put a post that describes the martingale aspect of your system. that seemed to be the one scary part.
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  • Oct 2, 2005 5:16pm Oct 2, 2005 5:16pm
  •  BillTrader
  • | Joined Mar 2005 | Status: Member | 5 Posts
Is this interest rate thing simlar to dividend capture in the stock market - get in just to get the fringe benefit and get out..... Get in for a few minutes on Wednesday for a triple interest rate capture and then get out?

Just trying to understand.... thanks!

TraderBill
 
 
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  • Oct 2, 2005 5:25pm Oct 2, 2005 5:25pm
  •  merlin
  • Joined Mar 2004 | Status: Magic Man | 3,220 Posts
it probably got moved because it had links in it. a mod will move your post if you dont have 50 posts and you post a link (see forum rules).
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  • Oct 2, 2005 5:32pm Oct 2, 2005 5:32pm
  •  merlin
  • Joined Mar 2004 | Status: Magic Man | 3,220 Posts
Quoting electricsavant
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post#13
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LOL
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  • Oct 2, 2005 5:32pm Oct 2, 2005 5:32pm
  •  merlin
  • Joined Mar 2004 | Status: Magic Man | 3,220 Posts
Quoting electricsavant
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So how do I get off the vendor list?...
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your off now. just go start your thread "Cash and Carry" and you'll be straight...
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  • Oct 2, 2005 5:35pm Oct 2, 2005 5:35pm
  •  merlin
  • Joined Mar 2004 | Status: Magic Man | 3,220 Posts
electric remember to keep your stuff self contained. i realize that you are not a vendor, but what happens is that people will see your thread and will think they can use FF to drive traffic to their site. its like a snowball effect...

hey btw, do you know of Ed Thorp. you kind of remind me of him.
Relax and be happy.
 
 
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  • Oct 2, 2005 5:41pm Oct 2, 2005 5:41pm
  •  merlin
  • Joined Mar 2004 | Status: Magic Man | 3,220 Posts
yeah its cool to have a link to your blog here and there. im talking more about posting half the information, and saying "go here to get the rest". this is what i mean by keeping the thread "self contained", all the info the reader needs is right there.

do you mind starting a new thread instead of digging up the old one?
Relax and be happy.
 
 
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  • Last Post: Oct 2, 2005 5:42pm Oct 2, 2005 5:42pm
  •  merlin
  • Joined Mar 2004 | Status: Magic Man | 3,220 Posts
Quoting electricsavant
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Are you the moderator?...
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im one of them.
Relax and be happy.
 
 
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