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    [tweet=1250186383064477697;1586902635]Trump halts funding to #WHO[/tweet]

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Nasdaq blasting through top performance digits in a full blown pandemic!!! Hahaha what a disappointing world of toilet paper hoarders and crooks
Invest in alarm clocks
Excellent decision regarding the accomplices of the Chinese Chernobyl.
That is good a move.
Let the China come in
Good move by Trump.
Enemies of all, friend of none.
Loving this pandemic... Air is so much sweeter to breathe... have we reached our emission reductions yet? All the failures of capitalism are shining thru. All the failings of democracy are blindingly brilliant. All the human deception and feel good warm and fuzzies, are exposed as drivel. All my enemies are dropping dead wooohooo.
To all who cherish this stupid move: go to the WHO's website, check out their resources on Covid19. You'll find everything there: from PPE guidelinws to procedures to testing. It is a reference point for ALL healthcare systems battling the bloody plague around the world at the momwnt. They are the firefighters, basically. What DT did is basically cutting them off gas, water, anything really that they need to carry on. All to camouflage his own incompetence and ignorance. It does not go any sillier, than this.
Once upon a time, Yankees were perceived as saviours of the world, quite rightly so. Not anymore.
Quoting xy76
To all who cherish this stupid move: go to the WHO's website, check out their resources on Covid19. You'll find everything there: from PPE guidelinws to procedures to testing. It is a reference point for ALL healthcare systems battling the bloody plague around the world at the momwnt. They are the firefighters, basically. What DT did is basically cutting them off gas, water, anything really that they need to carry on. All to camouflage his own incompetence and ignorance. It does not go any sillier, than this. Once upon a time, Yankees were perceived...
Are you upset because you disagree with the decision or are you upset because you dislike the person who said it?
Quoting mindscream
{quote} Are you upset because you disagree with the decision or are you upset because you dislike the person who said it?
Stop splitting the hair, read my post instead.
Quoting xy76
{quote} Stop splitting the hair, read my post instead.
I read it. Seems emotional.
The WHO failed for sure ,riddled with flaws and bias over time
This actually supports my view, large organisations always end up corrupt or incappable in the end, when they don't answer to the people direct.
#doyourownanalysisordietryin
I agree with Trump, but then it's largely misdirection in reality on White House performance.
You're in trouble once you say nasty stuff against that administation.

Blame Game

No1 -China-They waved off the virus to the rest of the world while withholding information.China should have stopped flights out itself, now stopping any incoming foreigners. Their own sleight of hand was the digger land experience.
No 2-WHO -Its their job to spot this .Thats their specialty when praising China right from the off, with clear evidence to the contrary.So slow- all advise.
No 3- The west governments for not spotting the obvious. You don't need a fireman to tell you that a fire in your house is about to burn it down, once the kitchen is engulfed, when you only have a hand held fire extinguisher.
#doyourownanalysisordietryin
Trump honestly doens't understand soft power.
Decades of effort by US to be a world superpower is undone in 1 election.
I guess china and russia will fill in the shoes now.
He's got the mentality of a child, he cannot handle any criticism. This is a typical dummy spit by the little baby.

NoFX where right - It's not the right time to be sober, now the idiots are taking over,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziNaZxvp-Qk
nice.
dump the UN next please.
Quoting mindscream
{quote} I read it. Seems emotional.
Did you expect a rational response?
You don't know because you don't ask.
Quoting thelws
Trump honestly doens't understand soft power. Decades of effort by US to be a world superpower is undone in 1 election. I guess china and russia will fill in the shoes now.
China and Russia are in the same boat as the U.S. All have ruined their credibility when it comes to managing humans and society. The power will now go laterally to the millennials, cross racially.

The third industrial revolution has irreversibly started. And I for one embrace the new future with gratitude that societal systems so fouled by the likes of politicians and lawyers, that a barking mad carnival clown will no longer have sway over me.
Quoting thelws
Trump honestly doens't understand soft power. Decades of effort by US to be a world superpower is undone in 1 election. I guess china and russia will fill in the shoes now.
Dont you live in a gulag ? dont chew gum or smoke cigarettes, or you get a visit from "friends".
Most of our cases came from US nationals spreading virus by air and cruise ships that is still plaguing our shores...altho we shut the US out it was too late..the damage is done. The US incompetence is exposed by this "hoax" virus -from no case in February to most death on earth. POTUS is appalling to get involve in petty politics while "dead bodies are just in the corner"...thank goodness your governors stood their ground. Who else to blame but WHO - an outstanding organisation whose warnings were ignored by Trump in the first place. The US is on its knees while China is on the ascendancy. Please please America wake up !!
Quoting xy76
To all who cherish this stupid move: go to the WHO's website, check out their resources on Covid19. You'll find everything there: from PPE guidelinws to procedures to testing. It is a reference point for ALL healthcare systems battling the bloody plague around the world at the momwnt. They are the firefighters, basically. What DT did is basically cutting them off gas, water, anything really that they need to carry on. All to camouflage his own incompetence and ignorance. It does not go any sillier, than this. Once upon a time, Yankees were perceived...
Well we got lots of experience with firefighters here in OZ, recently. The barstards caused massive destruction when their ill conceived back burning operations got away from them in gale force winds. Drove into resultant wildfires thinking they were immune... And they get top billing as front line heroes....? They should be in jail for arson. They actually blame arsonists for the destruction but they also should name them...selves.
Quoting OnlineAddict
{quote} Trump, at least admit it and stop with defending these useless clowns with blood on their hands.
The person who is responsible for America being biggest COVID disaster in the world is Donald Trump due to his negligent handling of the pandemic. He can blame the WHO all he wants to try and deflect that. That's what he does.

AN 22
“We have it totally under control. ... It’s going to be just fine.”
— Donald Trump
JAN 30
“We think we have it very well under control. We have very little problem in this country at this moment — five. And those people are all recuperating successfully... and we think it’s going to have a very good ending for it. So that I can assure you.”
FEB 24
“The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA. … Stock market starting to look very good to me”
— Donald Trump
FEB 25
“You may ask about the coronavirus, which is very well under control in our country. We have very few people with it, and the people that have it are … getting better. They’re all getting better. … As far as what we’re doing with the new virus, I think that we’re doing a great job.”
— Donald Trump
FEB 25
“We have contained this. I won’t say airtight, but pretty close to airtight. We have done a good job in the United States.”
— Larry Kudlow
FEB 26
“And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done."
— Donald Trump
FEB 28
“It’s going to disappear. One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”
— Donald Trump
MARCH 2
"We had a great meeting today with a lot of the great companies and they're going to have vaccines, I think relatively soon.”
— Donald Trump
MARCH 6
“Anybody that needs a test, gets a test. They’re there. They have the tests. And the tests are beautiful.”
— Donald Trump
MARCH 9
“So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on.”
— Donald Trump
MARCH 10
“And we’re doing a great job with it. And it will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away.”
— Donald Trump
MARCH 12
“It’s going to go away. ... The United States, because of what I did and what the administration did with China, we have 32 deaths at this point … when you look at the kind of numbers that you’re seeing coming out of other countries, it’s pretty amazing when you think of it.”
— Donald Trump
MARCH 17
“Federal Government is working very well with the Governors and State officials. Good things will happen!”
— Donald Trump
MARCH 17
"I've always known this is a real — this is a pandemic. I felt it was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic."
— Donald Trump

15 April - 25,000 Americans Dead.
Wow, just a message saying "good move", gets banned here. So if people write their opinion, its censored, if its not the "right" opinion. Yet people can hate on people, if FF approves the bias. Fuck you FF, I am done with this forum! From now on I will be on twitter only! Have a good time, everyone, I will not support the limiting of freedom of speech here.
Everyone can see the chart, but only a few can actually read it.
Only Trump has the guts to make China accountable? Why WHO did not send medical experts team to Wuhan in Feb itself and check the ground reports? If they did so, other countries would have made preparations well in advance....
Please people, check out WHO web site before you make comments. All comments here are so biased.
Quoting cbs1382
Excellent decision regarding the accomplices of the Chinese Chernobyl.
Or Chinese Three Mile island. US Xenophobia is still alive and well; takes decades for some folks to handle all of the truth.
Quoting estrago
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Does not make any sense whatsoever.
Quoting OnlineAddict
Wow, just a message saying "good move", gets banned here. So if people write their opinion, its censored, if its not the "right" opinion. Yet people can hate on people, if FF approves the bias. Fuck you FF, I am done with this forum! From now on I will be on twitter only! Have a good time, everyone, I will not support the limiting of freedom of speech here.
Thanks, Bart. 2100 comments show a lot of patience already.
Quoting AnniLi
{quote} Or Chinese Three Mile island. US Xenophobia is still alive and well; takes decades for some folks to handle all of the truth.
“Three miles island” incident has no comparison to the disaster Reactor 4 in “Владимира Илич Ленин” nuclear power plant, neither with the scale of disaster in Fukushima Daichi - just watch some documentaries.
Quoting Bones
I agree with Trump, but then it's largely misdirection in reality on White House performance. You're in trouble once you say nasty stuff against that administation. Blame Game No1 -China-They waved off the virus to the rest of the world while withholding information.China should have stopped flights out itself, now stopping any incoming foreigners. Their own sleight of hand was the digger land experience. No 2-WHO -Its their job to spot this .Thats their specialty when praising China right from the off, with clear evidence to the contrary.So slow-...
A hint of xenophobic behaviour is to blame any other source that yourself for whatever problem you encounter and I've lived a long time observing US reactions along the way. Its not just Trump. China is a country of 1.4 billion people so just who are you talking about? - the leadership is the CCP with about 100m members (and the entry fee is only 1 Yuan) and so China as a vibrant series of networks of businesses, cities and rural communities had nothing to do with whatever "China" has done or not done. When you try to get a sensible discussion here there are always gross generalisations and simplifications gettin in the way - like this post. What is the rationale for pro-Chinese WHO behaviour???? Last year it was pro-Chinese WTO behaviour??? Where does it stop? I've lived in USA and China and wonder whether the obvious will ever get through to people. Every loving family just wants to get on with life and their livelihood and not be distracted by moronic politics, fake geo-political tensions and trash communication.
Quoting whynotnaveen
Only Trump has the guts to make China accountable? Why WHO did not send medical experts team to Wuhan in Feb itself and check the ground reports? If they did so, other countries would have made preparations well in advance....
??? WHO warned end of Jan. and other countries prepared well for the virus.
But some countries like us and uk ignored warnings and reacted too late.
Now you can see the results. America first.. in infections.
Quoting thelws
Trump honestly doens't understand soft power. Decades of effort by US to be a world superpower is undone in 1 election. I guess china and russia will fill in the shoes now.
I think you overestimate the importance of WHO, thousands of doctors know what to do, and no supranational organization is needed for anything except political influence. The larger the organization, the more corrupt and inefficient except for organizing funds for its operations and benefits ...
Why would the US pay for something that has no effect because Russia and China took over this influence? The same goes for the UN ... exactly the same. All these organizations are corrupt to the bottom
USA superpower is not done by Trump but the number leftist in american academies, governments... that is a reason of it ...
BN
We have doctors all over in the family. They said right at the get go that WHO completely underestimated the threat of this virus. And they did. Maybe they did so because of bad intel from China. Dont know.

I still remember trading the night that WHO had their first press conference on this. WHO announced that this may be the beginning of a pandemic but there was no reason what so ever to reduce travel or impose other restrictions. I traded DOW that night and I sky rocketed (almost as much as the night US bombed Iran). Yet here we are with a whole world closed down. Of course that is all looking in hindsight. But we get a pandemic every 20 years and if we cannot get it right that one time then maybe we should look for other solutions.
Quoting WaveTradeV2
{quote} The person who is responsible for America being biggest COVID disaster in the world is Donald Trump due to his negligent handling of the pandemic. He can blame the WHO all he wants to try and deflect that. That's what he does. AN 22 “We have it totally under control. ... It’s going to be just fine.” — Donald Trump JAN 30 “We think we have it very well under control. We have very little problem in this country at this moment — five. And those people are all recuperating successfully... and we think it’s going to have a very good ending for...
That about sums it up in a nutshell.
All that is left in FF is just plain garbage. "Cloggie"
I'm pretty new at this stuff, started out with $100 in sept. can anyone tell me if I'm doing OK? Gotta say this pandemic is a profit centre. For a forum this is a bit confusing. pretty much every comment can be coc'd here, If I'm getting coc'd for mindless observations on other posts I must be saying something right.
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Happily, however controversial, the publishing of reliably sourced fact checked data remains acceptable to FF. As Traders Investors and analysts we can no doubt arrive at our own conclusions about the effectiveness of response by the various leadership of the most seriously affected countries to the CV19 threat... Here is yesterday's Global Infection figures.

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And in the case of the US (which this Newstory speciically addresses) to judge where where misjudgement and irresponsibility and by whom, may have resulted in the above disproportionate impact ..its beginning to wreak on American Citizens, Industry and US TaxPayers..(?) (FactChecked) (to whom our hearts go out)

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Just a Though#
Without Prejudice.
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Quoting fractalcidal
I'm pretty new at this stuff, started out with $100 in sept. can anyone tell me if I'm doing OK? Gotta say this pandemic is a profit centre. For a forum this is a bit confusing. pretty much every comment can be coc'd here, If I'm getting coc'd for mindless observations on other posts I must be saying something right. {image}
For 7 years investment of your time, yeah you're ok with that.
Quoting WaveTradeV2
{quote} The person who is responsible for America being biggest COVID disaster in the world is Donald Trump due to his negligent handling of the pandemic. He can blame the WHO all he wants to try and deflect that. That's what he does. AN 22 “We have it totally under control. ... It’s going to be just fine.” — Donald Trump JAN 30 “We think we have it very well under control. We have very little problem in this country at this moment — five. And those people are all recuperating successfully... and we think it’s going to have a very good ending for...
Actually since the virus probably escaped from a government virology research lab at Wuhan (which US scientists were aware of at least since 2018, then Trump is NOT responsible for the pandemic. Now even the anti Trump Washington Post reports this

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/04/14/state-department-cables-warned-safety-issues-wuhan-lab-studying-bat-coronaviruses/
i am not an american,but i believed trump made the right decision.
Quoting fractalcidal
Loving this pandemic... Air is so much sweeter to breathe... have we reached our emission reductions yet? All the failures of capitalism are shining thru. All the failings of democracy are blindingly brilliant. All the human deception and feel good warm and fuzzies, are exposed as drivel. All my enemies are dropping dead wooohooo.
Wait till you die of Covid19 pneumonia yourself. Just make sure before you do to post here how much do you enjoy dying of slow suffocation, when your lungs literally drown and you'll be gasping for your last breath helplessly. This is how this virus kills people. I trust you will be loving the pandemic then as much as you do now.
Quoting Micc23
{quote} Actually since the virus probably escaped from a government virology research lab at Wuhan (which US scientists were aware of at least since 2018, then Trump is NOT responsible for the pandemic. Now even the anti Trump Washington Post reports this https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...coronaviruses/
Even if your unproven, zero evidence based conspiracy theory is true that in no way changes the incompetent way Trump handled the crisis in the US which has led to the USA being the worse affected country in the world with over 2000 people currently dying every day.
There's a time for everything. The timing is poor. The world needs to work in unison to overcome this plague. Afterwards, we may settle scores...
Why is the first post, by Onlineaddict, hidden? Good move and a thumbs up.

ucmenow is on the right track. These have been poohooing the hydroxychloroquine while wanting a vaccine. In other words a new patented and EXPENSIVE money maker. Not the old proven safe and proving itself effective cheap off patent treatment. Flu shots have been pushed for many years now and do not work well often not being for the flu of the year. Gates in particular has a pretty dark past.

It does not matter what WHO knew when they covered it up.

fractalcide knows the US developed the virus? How?

Meanwhile it is the US who has developed the new and much faster tests. And ramped up production of PPE and med equipment in very short order.
Quoting swd
{quote} For 7 years investment of your time, yeah you're ok with that.
I think it's 7 months... Really the time factor is pretty small, I feel something is very wrong with the world when a derelict social outcast, such as myself, can spin up money for very little effort, work ethic or toeing the social line of bread winning and mortgages. It just feels empty and wrong.
Quoting xy76
{quote} Wait till you die of Covid19 pneumonia yourself. Just make sure before you do to post here how much do you enjoy dying of slow suffocation, when your lungs literally drown and you'll be gasping for your last breath helplessly. This is how this virus kills people. I trust you will be loving the pandemic then as much as you do now.
Well you gotta die of something... so long as it's not old age. A blithering drooling enfeebled shell of what was having endless pills being poured down your gullet, abandoned in one those dubious old folks homes, is decidedly sub optimal.
Don't you agree?
It's not a general accusation against Chinese people ,they suffered like like everyone...
Its whoever was in control of the situation ,so yea the CCP probably
This virus started in Nov 2019 for sure, by Jan they knew they had something major.By mid Jan they were building hospitals for thousands out the ground.That takes time in planning.
They locked down more people than live in my country in a very rigid manner.Doctors were silenced.
It's a simple observation that I made in real time ,this is very bad early January.
They knew and withheld that, so we wait to see human to human transmission in each country, which I'm still scratching my head on .
If they lock down millions, they should have locked down travel out.

I also pointed to the stupidity of the West Governments for not taking it more serious earlier.
But it's the WHO's actual job to note what's happening with this Virus. Incompetence is at a very high level at least.
I never pointed to Trump directly because that's something else,
All his bluster cost a lot of American lives for sure.

I take offence that you think I'm being xenophobic. All I've done is post the observation .
The blame game lists like that imo.

You have to start with China ,I don't know the chain of command that made it happen.




Quoting AnniLi
{quote} A hint of xenophobic behaviour is to blame any other source that yourself for whatever problem you encounter and I've lived a long time observing US reactions along the way. Its not just Trump. China is a country of 1.4 billion people so just who are you talking about? - the leadership is the CCP with about 100m members (and the entry fee is only 1 Yuan) and so China as a vibrant series of networks of businesses, cities and rural communities had nothing to do with whatever "China" has done or not done. When you try to get a sensible...
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Quoting fractalcidal
{quote} I think it's 7 months... Really the time factor is pretty small, I feel something is very wrong with the world when a derelict social outcast, such as myself, can spin up money for very little effort, work ethic or toeing the social line of bread winning and mortgages. It just feels empty and wrong.
Just going on what you had said previously....Only dealing in facts, no ego here. Facts could be wrong.


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Quoting xy76
{quote} Wait till you die of Covid19 pneumonia yourself. Just make sure before you do to post here how much do you enjoy dying of slow suffocation, when your lungs literally drown and you'll be gasping for your last breath helplessly. This is how this virus kills people. I trust you will be loving the pandemic then as much as you do now.
Sometime ago in America was co called freedom of speech... its over...
Universal Declaration of Human Rights (1948)—Article 19 states that "Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers".[1]
Thank You FF...
BN
I understand tensions being high in the forum on this subject. I am certain the accusations are at the administration (CCP, US WHO etc) and NOT the people these organisations represent. I agree I am suspect of ANYTHING my government tells me whether it is blue red or pink with yellow dots. (and no I am not sat here with a tinfoil hat). My take on this argument is a lot of participants show a dissatisfaction (rightfully IMO) as to the way things have been handled in the reasonably recent past and have little (or no) faith in their ability to navigate to the best possible outcome the carnage of what is currently occuring.

Personally (and unhelpfully) I'm a glass half empty on this
The elites think we are stupid. They are in the main quite correct.
Quoting fractalcidal
I'm pretty new at this stuff, started out with $100 in sept. can anyone tell me if I'm doing OK? Gotta say this pandemic is a profit centre. For a forum this is a bit confusing. pretty much every comment can be coc'd here, If I'm getting coc'd for mindless observations on other posts I must be saying something right. {image}
Fascinating narrative.
Your February statement is a good result, and as you suggest not difficult for someone who understood what was going down, and the extraordinary volatility experienced. It would correspond with our own opportunity experience and results in those extraordinary conditions.

More interesting is your progress from $A100 to $A85,000 in 7 months...
High Traffic FF News threads are an interesting choice on which to share your personal narrative.
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To consider Trump you really need to look at his gap in memory of February.
Trump supported the WHO and China right up to the explosion in the US, he really believed he had it covered by his leaky ship travel ban, above his own medical teams advice. 40,000 people from China landed in the US after the ban .Flight bans do not work on there own regardless once its loose, then exponential kicks in.The very best kind of flight ban is the one out from the source.
Just like he was so confident on the the population of Seoul...
*Donald Trump misstated the population of South Korea's capital city by around 28 million people, moments after telling a news conference he...
The whole Trump saga is a completely other ball game to the pure and simple blame game.
The more he talks on these press conference /rallies to his base- the worse things get for him.
You have to wonder what his base thinks about the absolute power in his hands comments, regarding who opens up and when.

*In news conferences on February 25 and 26,Trump again praised China for "working very hard" to fight coronavirus. On February 29, he praised measures put in place by China and said similar measures could be put in place in the US to prevent spread.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/25/p...ina/index.html


Travel restrictions
TRUMP: “I stopped some very, very infected, very, very sick people, thousands coming in from China long earlier than anybody thought, including the experts. Nobody thought we should do it except me. And I stopped everybody. We stopped it cold.” — interview with “Fox & Friends.”
THE FACTS: He didn’t “stop cold” all the people infected with coronavirus from entering the U.S.; there were gaps in containment and initial delays in testing, leading to the U.S. rising last week to No. 1 globally in the number of people infected by COVID-19.
Nor did Trump decide on his own to impose travel restrictions on China — he followed a consensus recommendation by his public health advisers.
His order in late January temporarily barred entry by foreign nationals who had traveled in China within the previous 14 days, with exceptions for the immediate family of U.S. citizens and permanent residents. Americans returning from China were allowed back for two more weeks. They were given enhanced screenings. But screenings can miss people who are carrying the virus but showing no symptoms.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/coron...oe4-story.html
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The US is on route to 2 million infections and 100k death, it's very plain to see why. No way is it peaking...
Bend the infection curve not the hospitalisation.These people are dying in the US before the critical element.
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Very concerning to see a low critical and high death as we move forward.
Im wondering why those people don't go critical recently.
It's the reason they don't need the ventilators projected.
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Quoting RossEdwards
{quote} Fascinating narrative. Your February statement is a good result, and as you suggest not difficult for someone who understood what was going down, and the extraordinary volatility experienced. It would correspond with our own opportunity experience and results in those extraordinary conditions. More interesting is your progress from $A100 to $A85,000 in 7 months... High Traffic FF News threads are an interesting choice on which to share your personal narrative.
The first 7 months pretty much went the way of the last (week 6-15 april) shown in the screenshot, love to show the entirety but don't know how. I can only fit that many lines on a screenshot. which I only learnt recently how to do.

I simply scaled up lot sizes as I went. started out with .05 lot sizes increasing as my balance and my platform allowed. I get a lot of errors saying invalid trade size and insufficient funds etc. That is why no asx200 trade is above 400 lots and aud 160 lots, machine won't do bigger. I have a tendency to scalp, closing trades early is something I still grapple with.

I think I was trying to scope out whether others find it the way I do with tradings mind boggling paralysis, and fixative nature. but it's not at all important. I didn't think this was a high traffic forum, you are pretty much the only contributor so far that has piqued my interest.

1 pointless post
2 can't be repeated in real life
3 it's a fake statement, explain the trade 4th down AUD USD sell 6k pips on a few pip move, actually went up it was buy.Entry price is a thousand digits long
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Quoting fractalcidal
{quote} The first 7 months pretty much went the way of the last (week 6-15 april) shown in the screenshot, love to show the entirety but don't know how....
Oh I shouldn't worry too much about that.. when you can open a Trade Explorer right here on FF.
Here: https://www.forexfactory.com/tradeexplorer.php
Or an account with MyFxBook..
Here: https://www.myfxbook.com/en

Both provide customisable levels of anonymity..
Ideal Id say for folk who want to share their progress, and so much more convincing than screenshots.

But after 7 years trading you probably already know that.
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Quoting RossEdwards
{quote} Oh I shouldn't worry too much about that.. when you can open a Trade Explorer right here on FF. Here: https://www.forexfactory.com/tradeexplorer.php Or an account with MyFxBook.. Here: https://www.myfxbook.com/en Both provide customisable levels of anonymity.. Ideal Id say for folk who want to share their progress, and so much more convincing than screenshots. But after 7 years trading you probably already know that.
Oh a salesman for ff. shoulda known... While I did dabbled in this 7 years ago massive domestic disruption put all this on hold from about 2015 to sept just past. Since getting unmarried I now feel I have the capacity to dabble once again.

I only really use ff for the calendar. I am not at all interested in convincing anyone... of anting. I simply wanted a performance yard stick on current progress. Most of the news subject matter I find irrelevant and unhelpful... as with the posts contained within.

I am way past learning more and more systems, my feeble old brain has trouble coping with the world as it currently stands, more mental occupation would serve little purpose to anyone.

I felt that the last weeks trade performance might be enjoyed by all... apparently not.

Well thanks for your time I'll discontinue getting sidetracked by ff stories. logging out.

Cheers
No that's not what you thought.
Advise from someone who traded double the 7 you never did already, your never scalp the market to an account like that from 100 to 400,000 .For a start emotion would get you before the theory plays out-I can keep ramping up the positions.


Quoting fractalcidal
{quote} Oh a salesman for ff. shoulda known... While I did dabbled in this 7 years ago massive domestic disruption put all this on hold from about 2015 to sept just past. Since getting unmarried I now feel I have the capacity to dabble once again. I only really use ff for the calendar. I am not at all interested in convincing anyone... of anting. I simply wanted a performance yard stick on current progress. Most of the news subject matter I find irrelevant and unhelpful... as with the posts contained within. I am way past learning more and more...
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World Health Organisation is probably not very good and could be improved? I don't know and neither do 90% of people who have posted above.

One thing I do know is it is definitely not a good time to cut off its funding.
Gone to a better place
Data for new cases and deaths is suspect to start with. Plus the decision to count as Covid has been expanded pushing the numbers higher yet. I know one who was over 90 years old. It was the ongoing conditions and plain old age but that one is counted.

There are similar charts showing data by state. The big numbers are all in the NYC megaplex area. And then in New Orleans where they thought having Mardi Gras was a good idea. With the virus viability being a matter of days the lockdowns are more political using economics than health oriented. BHO's Green czar said a crisis is a terrible thing to waste. That has always been the tactic of the power hungry.
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The WHO have recent other history of bungled responses .Look how they dealt with cholera .
To believe the WHO did their job properly you need to believe China is transparent .We still don’t know who was patient zero, which could be very helpful in the response.The first actual patient is well reported to be mid Nov.
If this outbreak started in Italy we would look at a very different picture today for sure, their Doctors took to the the airways to warn the world.
I'm not sure theres any consumer confidence in anything the WHO say before Trump made his move.

*It's known from the virus family tree the first infection happened no earlier than the 13th sept 19 and no later than the 7th dec 2019 with a 95% confidence rate of that range.

Quoting smikester
World Health Organisation is probably not very good and could be improved? I don't know and neither do 90% of people who have posted above. One thing I do know is it is definitely not a good time to cut off its funding.
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Over 80 is about 15% overall but thats not a reliable statistic moving much further forward.
Clearly from the charts it's not over counting at all.

Quoting gat
Data for new cases and deaths is suspect to start with. Plus the decision to count as Covid has been expanded pushing the numbers higher yet. I know one who was over 90 years old. It was the ongoing conditions and plain old age but that one is counted. There are similar charts showing data by state. The big numbers are all in the NYC megaplex area. And then in New Orleans where they thought having Mardi Gras was a good idea. With the virus viability being a matter of days the lockdowns are more political using economics than health oriented. BHO's...
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Donald Trump is not daft

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/w...ntrolling-who/
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I'm pretty new at this stuff, started out with $100 in sept. can anyone tell me if I'm doing OK? Gotta say this pandemic is a profit centre. For a forum this is a bit confusing. pretty much every comment can be coc'd here, If I'm getting coc'd for mindless observations on other posts I must be saying something right. {image}
I need to learn something here.
If you made 55.15 pips on AUS200, at 100lots, Isn't that $1000/pip or $55,150 profit?
Your statement only says $5,515 profit?
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Bones: I got calls asking for donations to fight autism claiming 1 of 950 children had it. Soon it was 1 in 550, then 1 in 400, and so on. Now they claim 1 in 88. A change in definition was the big change. Teachers not wanting to deal with boys being boys is another. My county stats show age 35 to 44, 45 to 54, and 55 to 64 are all higher than 65 to 74. With 6 of 7 not knowing they have it all the numbers look worse than they are. Compare Covid to other Corona strains or to cancers etc and again Covid is exaggerated.
look at the chart how far we move from the normal ,that's with a extreme shut down
Left alone it would be worse than Spanish flu, we're talking 250+ million dead .No hospital system could cope.
20% of those tested end up in critical, they would all be dead .
The ones that survive in hospital are probably the younger ones, you care about.????
Not to mention you let this monster infect that many people it could get way worse.Lets not talk second wave at this stage.

Quoting gat
Bones: I got calls asking for donations to fight autism claiming 1 of 950 children had it. Soon it was 1 in 550, then 1 in 400, and so on. Now they claim 1 in 88. A change in definition was the big change. Teachers not wanting to deal with boys being boys is another. My county stats show age 35 to 44, 45 to 54, and 55 to 64 are all higher than 65 to 74. With 6 of 7 not knowing they have it all the numbers look worse than they are. Compare Covid to other Corona strains or to cancers etc and again Covid is exaggerated.
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28k yesterday dead on that post ,today 34k.Thats a lot of people...
Yet serious and critical the same? People must be dropping dead in the US without ever hitting the hospital.

You should know compounding and thats what we see, the higher the denominator the faster it goes.





Quoting Bones
The US is on route to 2 million infections and 100k death, it's very plain to see why. No way is it peaking... Bend the infection curve not the hospitalisation.These people are dying in the US before the critical element. {image}
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Fl. Gov. DeSantis said today that Fl hospitals are at a 40% vacancy. Same for ICU beds and the same even in the Miami and Ft Lauderdale area. The high estimate was 2.2 million US dead. That is down to 60k. NYC is its own case with problems every day no matter what. But the emergency hospitals set up have gone largely unused. Between them and the ship a couple hundred patients. Heard one story that 200 construction workers in the city had some sort of flu in Nov. They worked through it. No hospitals and no deaths. In Washington state a 250 bed hospital went up and came back down with zero patients.

I'm older and retired. Got boring so I work as a last responder. Less traffic accidents to transport dead from. So far suicides are running normal. And Covid? That 90 plus year old i transorted. First Covid patient in the area was an 80 plus year old who survived. The survival numbers will come way up especially when you include those who never know they had it. Herd immunity works. So doe hydroxychloroquine. We do not need Bill Gates' vaccine. Any second wave will be muted. Those with weak health should take precautions. For the rest this is not a big threat.
Without one other infection on average across all counties it is 20% of that 585k active will go critical in the next 3 weeks.You have to look at this beyond your own narrow view, what happens if we all carry on...
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Right you believe there's swaths of people who never knew they were ill the entire infection, when other people end up in hospital.
Second wave was the worst wave Spanish flu, thats when it started on people in the prime of their life.It was the biggest curve.
You think local ,when you're looking at something global.
Be careful considering about today ,you haven't factored the time lag ,those areas you mention have curves at different stages ,over 20k active case Florida today.

The time lag is up to 4 weeks.

Quoting gat
Fl. Gov. DeSantis said today that Fl hospitals are at a 40% vacancy. Same for ICU beds and the same even in the Miami and Ft Lauderdale area. The high estimate was 2.2 million US dead. That is down to 60k. NYC is its own case with problems every day no matter what. But the emergency hospitals set up have gone largely unused. Between them and the ship a couple hundred patients. Heard one story that 200 construction workers in the city had some sort of flu in Nov. They worked through it. No hospitals and no deaths. In Washington state a 250 bed hospital...
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They use modelling to figure out how many people actually infected and it isn't hugely out like you may hope.
The models say and the US medical team confirmed the other day, in the nightly press briefing, those infected of the entire population are in the single digit %.

You can use the death toll as a crude number once you're happy on what death rate you want to apply to this .
You know the deaths are about right ,then what % is the death rate.
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They use modeling for Global Warming too. lol GIGO

From a WHO Q&A suggest that 80% of infections are mild or asymptomatic,

W/o testing everyone the numbers will look worse than they are. Why would a non symptomatic person rush to be tested? And with test supplies limited they are last in priority. So positives run high as do hospitalization and death rates.

If I were to be infected and with symptoms I would want the test and the hydroxychloroquine regime. Not the 600 mg dose that has shown side effects but the 420 mg doses.

"A crisis is a terrible thing to waste". Van Jones, BHO's green czar, and favorite tactic of tyrants. Foment fear, restrict freedoms.
It's not the same as global warming ,or economic projections because the there are not that many parameters.
If you change the death rate you have to change how infectious is .What you suggest is the death rate has to go below 1%.Flu is 0.1-0.2 depending on the year. Do you see millions on there back from flu like this and world economies shut down in a month.

I wouldn't trust the WHO at all .But they say the death rate is 3.4%.You are right 80% is the other side of the 20% in the chart.
So Mild means you don't hit the hospital. And nearly everyone goes through the asymptomatic like the chart I drew above.Recovered means you're not dead.
Thats why it spreads so easy, people don't know they're infected until on average for 5 days.

If millions had mild symptoms like a cold in this situation then there would be reports of that.
No drug is proven yet .In fact I'm wondering if testing drugs is killing people before they go critical.

You really need to understand exponential growth to know the way its growing means theres plenty of people left un-infected.

*3.4% Mortality Rate estimate by the World Health Organization (WHO) as of March 3
In his opening remarks at the March 3 media briefing on Covid-19, WHO Director-General Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus stated:
“Globally, about 3.4% of reported COVID-19 cases have died. By comparison, seasonal flu generally kills far fewer than 1% of those infected.”
Initial estimate was 2%
Initially, the World Health Organization (WHO) had mentioned 2% as a mortality rate estimate in a press conference on Wednesday, January 29 and again on February 10. However, on January 29 WHO specified that this was a very early and provisional estimate that might have changed. Surveillance was increasing, within China but also globally

By the way when they use the words far fewer than 1% death on the flu they mean 0.1%.


Quoting gat
They use modeling for Global Warming too. lol GIGO From a WHO Q&A suggest that 80% of infections are mild or asymptomatic, W/o testing everyone the numbers will look worse than they are. Why would a non symptomatic person rush to be tested? And with test supplies limited they are last in priority. So positives run high as do hospitalization and death rates. If I were to be infected and with symptoms I would want the test and the hydroxychloroquine regime. Not the 600 mg dose that has shown side effects but the 420 mg doses. "A crisis is...
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The WHO is like an echo on what we know already ,they still discuss masks when it's obvious they work ,and there aren't enough to go round.They want to call it a pandemic when it's well into that territory by over a week.
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Here when Italy took off
I put the R0 between 3-4,
on March the 8 there were 7,345 case in Italy ,today=169,000.That conversation was the same theme as this.

Quoting Bones
You have to realise its exponential rise coming{with no action of containment} To know how fast it can spread with no herd immunity,its starts low numbers then very fast rise. If you had 1p day one and doubled it every day you have over 5mil in 30 days This has a R0 of 3-4 minimum ,when an average flu type is just over 1.(say 1.28 = 9 case in 10 weeks) R0 can only go up if you play with numbers going back over 10 weeks.*R0 can change on many factors like for instance the weather.Its not known if this is seasonal. 100k confirmed infections today...
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This is very troubling.

CLOSED CASES 709,288

Cases which had an outcome:
560,309 (79%)
Recovered / Discharged

148,979 (21%)
Deaths
Yes but that 21% will fall all data in .There are people infected that never hit the system for sure .The question for none believers is how you get it down to below 3% .
3-4% is very high on something that contagious, and 20% into critical is also super high.

Quoting Jr123
This is very troubling. CLOSED CASES 709,288 Cases which had an outcome: 560,309 (79%) Recovered / Discharged 148,979 (21%) Deaths
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News today out of the Uk

Prof Costello warned that the end of the first wave of infections would not spell a return to normal life
He said Britain should emphatically reject the concept of “herd immunity” – under which enough people are infected and recover to reduce the spread of cases to a trickle – and instead focus on suppressing infections until a vaccine is available.

“After this wave – and we could see 40,000 deaths by the time it is over – we could only have 10-15 per cent of the population infected or covered. The idea of herd immunity would mean another five to six more waves to get to 60 per cent,” he said. “We have got to suppress this right down.
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Quoting Bones
Yes but that 21% will fall all data in .There are people infected that never hit the system for sure .The question for none believers is how you get it down to below 3% . 3-4% is very high on something that contagious, and 20% into critical is also super high. {quote}
What the fuck is a non believer?
Don't believe its real like Gat

Quoting Jr123
{quote} What the fuck is a non believer?
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Here's an example of why I do not believe the numbers or that it is as dangerous as made out. The virus is real, it is more contagious, it is not more deadly than other pandemics with higher death rates.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-14/nyc-adds-3-700-to-death-toll-to-count-victims-not-hospitalized
They don't need to test them .They can check the Lung with a hand held ultra sound and know for fact, let alone everyone with exact same symptoms at the same time.

Let us know what's killing that many people out of the-norm then, natural causes ?
Quoting Bones
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Quoting gat
Here's an example of why I do not believe the numbers or that it is as dangerous as made out. The virus is real, it is more contagious, it is not more deadly than other pandemics with higher death rates. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...t-hospitalized
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Read one article stating the normal number of deaths in NYC / day. With its population it worked out to an average lifespan of 149 years. And I said NYC is its own thing. Most of the US is ready to open. NYC and a few other places are not.
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Like with Trading.. good risk analysis.. is a relentless process with high attention to detail.
so too with assessing epidemiological risk in this CV19 crisis.
Sorting all this often contradictory detail in both scenarios with necessarily limited specialist experience, is quite a challenge.
Often decisive parameters are either misinterpreted or mis-contextualised... in the search for simplification.
in which we can all become victims of our own preconceived ideas and cognitive bias and dissonance.

One takeaway that appear to have been overlooked in all the noise are..
1. Published CV19 Death data is being consistently UNDERESTIMATED in almost all countries.
Not just in China. Everywhere. Including NYC.
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Yea probably underestimated, but thats not the same as China .I think we try to be accurate as it's important.
On the other side ,those people attributed to the toll without a test ,you could prove easy without any test at all. With the same symptoms on an avalanche of deaths, I suspect theres no point.You have to get your head around the speed of this, it's easy to become accustomed to really high daily death reports.

They can look at the lungs and theres a recognisable pattern.Actually this is the safest way over the tests which are not 100% accurate. Sensitivity is about 70-80% last time I looked.

But with a scan comes other issues relating to speed ,since its so infectious and equipment has to be washed down every time.
You can do a test very quick in comparison ,with less expertise required for the process. Anyone can take a swab in seconds with little training cotton wool bud.
Current conditions they don't want to waste a test on a dead person.



Quoting RossEdwards
Like with Trading.. good risk analysis.. is a relentless process with high attention to detail. so too with assessing epidemiological risk in this CV19 crisis. Sorting all this often contradictory detail in both scenarios with necessarily limited specialist experience, is quite a challenge. Often decisive parameters are either misinterpreted or mis-contextualised... in the search for simplification. in which we can all become victims of our own preconceived ideas and cognitive bias and dissonance. One takeaway that appear to have been overlooked...
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The speed is important ,this is why at the beginning comparing flu or being hit by lightning as a comparable risk was just wrong.These people just made their mind up, without ever studying where it could go on the early data.
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IMHO There is no question that significant underestimation is rife. The evidence is easy.
For developed countries, The "natural" mortality rate in the absence of a war, famine, significant unseasonable weather, a natural disaster or medical epidemic is relatively stable.
Throughout UK, Europe and the US we are seeing significantly increased mortality rates, which are NOT being attributed to CV19... and for which there are no alternative identifiable causes.

The secret in analysis, is to find a KEY vector, that clarifies confused obfuscated, spun and inadequate data.
In the "War on Drugs" it was simply comparing the street price of a gram of coke today against the price 3-5-10 years ago. Higher we were winning ..lower we were loosing.
And we all know the politically uncomfortable answer to that.


So cutting to the chase..the takeaways are simple..
1. that CV19 Mortality data being used by governments and being relied on in the public domain, is significantly undercounted (why? is not of interest to traders.)
2. That because of lack of testing, the data on the overall infection rate is even more widely undercounted and more wildly inaccurate. (In Tests per Mio: Italy:22k/Germany:21k/Spain:20k/US:11k/UK:7k

We can all draw our own conclusions on the performance of the respective major western governments in addressing these data inadequacies... and our faith as Investors, on how informed to expect the policies and procedures, born of these inadequacies, that they will be proposing in the coming weeks and months, to restart and normalise their respective economies, to avoid further catastrophic second and third waves of epidemic.


Just a Thought#
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