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Quoting Vancarbon
I don't think that matters now considering the situation in China . We're talking months of escalation of this virus and quarantined conditions Factories shut and debt defaults
any thoughts which direction gold will go? up or down... looking for advise
prepare EQUITY PLAYER .....
The health crisis in China definitely calls for some adjustments in the phase 1 trade deal with the US because work and working condition in China is badly affected by the deadly virus.
Quoting Vancarbon
I don't think that matters now considering the situation in China . We're talking months of escalation of this virus and quarantined conditions Factories shut and debt defaults
In western world bureaucracy it would probably take 5 years to start healing people with a cure...Chinese will do it within weeks.
We need to wait feedback from Trump.
Quoting Vancarbon
{quote} I doubt that's viable given the logistics and considering every province is affected . True , not all provinces are suffering but many if not most are using quarantine methods . Even if an antidote was manufactured today logistically what you propose isn't feasible . If this virus hits Africa that's a whole different ball game . That continent has suffered enough . It's all about the $ with the US .
There are already a couple hundred people who were cured, I guess the mainstream media will start reporting on those when they have a different subject to milk and make money off.
And new drug on the way:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...re-coronavirus

Yet, just few days ago, media informed us, it will take a few months to start human trials, up to a year.
Quoting Vancarbon
I've also watched some analysis about the spread rate and contagion factors if this goes global . The main risk factor which still for me being a lateral thinker is the " mutation " of this virus as it adapts to it's new host ( humans ) This isn't hysteria or hype it's a probability that the duration of time this virus spends in a new host it will adapt/mutate and become far more efficient . Mortality rates and contagion will then go exponential .
I'd say certainly not. The virus' sole aim is to propagate. Being "more efficient" usually means getting better and spreading through hosts without triggering an immune response at all and not harming the host in any meaningful way.

Humans are constantly infected with viruses without any symptoms or harm.

If a virus, by chance, evolves to become increasingly pathogenic, it's more likely to end up becoming self limiting and then disappear having left it's destruction behind.

One might argue that the human race behaves like a self limiting pathogen. Read into that what you will!
I could not able to control my laugh!!!
Quoting Vancarbon
{quote} Actually we'll beg to differ on that one . Efficiency can be read as propagation i agree ,but also can be read as utilising the new hosts to cross species and proliferate Of course as part of this mutation/adaption to the new host it will inadvertently damage the genetic make-up of the structure of the host cells. As you know mutations are common place within viruses . Agree about the parasite comment
Interaction with host DNA is rarely the method of pathogenesis for a virus, fyi. In fact it totally depends on the type of virus as to whether there is any host genome insertion at all. Yep you guessed it: Coronavirus isn't one of them, lol! I mean this stuff is on Wikipedia!! Come on!

More often it's because it makes too much noise: it turns up host cell machinery too high and triggers an inappropriate immune reaction.

Viruses are not sentient. Like I said the most highly evolved viruses, bacteria or what ever you like.... have staying power derived more from symbiosis than pathogenesis. Hence we have more cells in our body that are bacteria than human!

Anyway, just wanted to quickly counter argue your hypothesis that exposure to host correlates with mortality efficacy of virus.
Quoting Vancarbon
{quote} Aren't you making assumptions that this a standard model Coronovirus . I think the term they're using is "novel " ( new). So if this was " tweaked " / manufactured in a lab ( and I've read reasonable documentation saying it's possible ) how would any Wikipedia link be relevant lol ! So again we beg to differ . This is " not " a standard virus
Wow, is it true? Is ignorance bliss? Coronavirus is a Coronavirus buddy. This one has an RNA genome just like all the others (it doesn't insert in the host genome as you described).

I too have seen the genome map displaying a large section that is HIV like (which helped start the rumour that this is man made) .

Do you hold on to all you losing positions like this?

You can beg to differ all you like matey.
Quoting OnlineAddict
And new drug on the way: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...re-coronavirus Yet, just few days ago, media informed us, it will take a few months to start human trials, up to a year.
OnlineAddict The human trails in the USA will take up to a year because we have an FDA.

Remember swine flu, the 1980's version not the 2009, the initial vacines caused many problems including death. It was rush for the "cure" that was worse than the disease.

Fast forward and I think it is great that within 2 months of the outbreak the pharmaceutical company thinks it has a cure. I am cautiously optimistic. However there is still so much unknown especially the infection vector and ratio.

so far there have been more deaths from this than SARS.
Quoting Vancarbon
{quote} lol Calm down . You can have your opinion as can I . Matey !!!!!!lol Ignorance is bliss !!! I don't write off all conspiracy theories . As you clearly have your your head in the sand about the potential of this virus . I'll let you trade accordingly .
The "potential" is currently tentative.

Not that it should matter, but I'm a microbiology graduate. You've made several statements that were wrong (and not subject to opinion). You've also presented arguments that didn't stand to scrutiny.

I wouldn't normally bother taking the time out to correct someone. Tbh wish I hadn't. Just that there's some real crap posted on this website sometimes.
Quoting ww3361
{quote} The "potential" is currently tentative. Not that it should matter, but I'm a microbiology graduate. You've made several statements that were wrong (and not subject to opinion). You've also presented arguments that didn't stand to scrutiny. I wouldn't normally bother taking the time out to correct someone. Tbh wish I hadn't. Just that there's some real crap posted on this website sometimes.
ww3361

I'm not taking sides here but I did want to point out that yeah, there is a lot of bad info posted here and other places. Personally, (B.S. Biology and Biochemistry) I don't try to convince people but I can use those ideas to make $$.
Quoting fxsport
{quote} ww3361 I'm not taking sides here but I did want to point out that yeah, there is a lot of bad info posted here and other places. Personally, (B.S. Biology and Biochemistry) I don't try to convince people but I can use those ideas to make $$.
fair
Quoting OnlineAddict
And new drug on the way: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...re-coronavirus Yet, just few days ago, media informed us, it will take a few months to start human trials, up to a year.
This puff piece takes the opposite of yours...

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/03/nih-...y-serious.html

Nothing to panic about but understand the implications...
Quoting Vancarbon
“About 25% of them have very serious disease, requiring relatively intensive or really intensive care,” NIH’s Dr. Anthony Fauci told CNBC on Monday. Yes that's tentative Maybe slightly under estimates the current position
In cases like this the numbers are likely to be underestimated due to the difficulty in co-ordinating various hospitals etc.

In addition do we really trust that the Chinese will report accurate numbers?
Quoting Vancarbon
fxsport No disrespect to our resident microbiology graduate WW3361 , but this virus is far from the " tentative " stage ( his words not mine ) . This is a pandemic and has global consequences
Have you googled "tentative"?
Quoting Vancarbon
{quote} Yes
I sense the penny's not dropping. So you think the "potential" of the virus is a certainty? Interesting
Quoting Vancarbon
I understand your angst to be correct on " tentative " as this is your field . I think the farthing hasn't quite dropped for your goodself with your " descriptors "
And you're certain you googled "tentative"?

And you definitely want to stick with the statement: "The potential of this virus is not tentative"?
Quoting Vancarbon
Yes . I'll stick with it " it's past tentative " the descriptor you used . Would you like to try another ?
Have to be honest, you've completely lost me there. Not sure what you're quoting.
Yeah you definitely didn't google tentative.

You presented a case that the virus has great potential to mutate into something much worse.

I countered that by questioning your rationale, correcting some mistakes and then stating the "potential"[it's potential to mutate into something worse, or potential on any other front for that matter] is uncertain (tentative).

You've flown off the handle and dumped post after post (I'm guilty too) stating that this virus is not tentative, it's serious, even though "tentative" and "serious" aren't mutually exclusive in any way. I then wondered if you merely misunderstood the word tentative as you weren't using it right and insisting on quoting me with it.

Does that clear this up?
Sure thing.

PS google "tentative". It means uncertain. It's not an epidemiological stage (which i think is how you are using it).
All done chaps?
Aaaaaaah Hell..
I was enjoying that... (tentatively.. that is...
I knew it. They started the outbreak just in time knowing they couldn't do the deal. O donald when will you learn that tariffs are not easy to win?
Viral defense: US military in S. Korea to quarantine troops returning from epidemic-hit China

300 US military personnel were in Wuhan, China participating the World Army Games before the coronavirus outbreak and rank #35 with 8 medals. They were not there to win the games

Rank Nation Gold Silver Bronze Total
1 China (CHN) 133 64 42 239
2 Russia (RUS) 51 53 57 161
3 Brazil (BRA) 21 31 36 88
35 United States 0 3 5 8

These US companies are getting filthy rich over the coronavirus outbreak:

Gilead Sciences, Inc. 333 Lakeside Drive Foster City, CA 94404 United States
AbbVie Inc. 1 North Waukegan Road North Chicago, IL 60064 1-800-222-6885
Harvard research geneticists and pharmo-genom investors including the company Millennium Pharmaceuticals went to remote areas in Anhui Province in Central China collecting DNA samples which resulted in disagreements between the Chinese government and Harvard University. As a result Harvard and the pharmo-genom investertors were booted out at the time because China feared that they would use the DNA information for nefarious means. This presents some unanswered questions of what is really going on.
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