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  • Trump says he has not agreed to roll back tariffs on China, after week of trade optimism

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    President Donald Trump said Friday he has not agreed to scrap tariffs on Chinese goods, though Beijing would like him to do so. Stocks fell to their sessions lows following Trump’s comments, as optimism had risen about the prospects of the U.S. scrapping duties. On Thursday, Chinese Commerce Ministry spokesperson Gao Feng said negotiators from Washington and Beijing “agreed to remove the additional duties imposed on each other’s products in different phases after they make progress” in striking a trade deal,” according to a CNBC translation. Gao did not specify how much of the tariffs the world’s two ... (full story)

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So,Trump is short today! ;-)
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yep..just in time )
my man
Confucius: the man who broke the mountain was the same man who started ...
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unfortunately...Trump dind't say shit)
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mother,.... f...er
as expected, like we said it several times.
great timing! they don't even care about being obvious!
Quoting Pokrajac
So,Trump is short today! ;-)
I think it's you who are long.
Quoting Pokrajac
So,Trump is short today! ;-)
No, he just want to clean SL
Bottomless wonders spring from simple rules, which are repeated without end
ROFL

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.
Quoting OnlineAddict
Tomorrow is friday, profit taking day, so expecting the opposite news during the day.
So predictable...positive trade deal news yesterday, negative today.
Everyone can see the chart, but only a few can actually read it.
Donald gains bunch of bucks from his own mouth.
How he gon work and then reverse everything,? this makes no sense. He aint rolling back isht ok?

bears be eating your week-end money son.
Invest in alarm clocks
Short on NASDAQ and USDZAR

Long on Gold
I think Pres. trump became a trillionaire during 3years
Quoting sadeghi
I think Pres. trump became trillionaire during 3years
I'm telling you my man is profiting crazy right now.
The markets are like water it ebbs and flows.
GOLD goes to the sky again..LONG Yellow metal
Right time wowww
Great time to be short USDJPY.
Quoting nbfx
ROFL Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.
l'ennemi est con , il croit que c'est nous l'ennemi , alors que l'ennemi c'est lui ! (Desproges)
Trump Farts again big time during weekend. Let's Crack a deal ! Dow-nald ..I'm shorting it.
Eurusd does not move ....
dont buy gold guys . wait for right time and price.dont overreact
c'mon trump release your sacred tweet.
the more controversy, the quicker the movement.
i've missed you for a month already
"If you run, you'll only die tired." - Sniper's philosophy
don't fear, buy gold and sell euro stocks and us stocks, take some risk and make good money
Quoting sadeghi
don't fear, buy gold and sell euro stocks and us stocks, take some risk and make good money
my friend dont do that. people ll lose . never sell indeces . because correlation. this time we must wait right time for trading.dont overreact pls
Quoting sadeghi
don't fear, buy gold and sell euro stocks and us stocks, take some risk and make good money
Gold is moving back and forth like crazy , scary, and fuckin aussi is up , it should go down
Quoting Ghass1234
{quote} Gold is moving back and forth like crazy , scary
Where are you seeing gold moving back like crazy?
i just see gold is trying to retrace fibo 23.6 on H4 chart
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Quoting Ghass1234
{quote} Gold is moving back and forth like crazy , scary, and fuckin aussi is up , it should go down
just be cool and patient.
Long gold in deep...
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I said this yesterday....Gold is completing "W" on one hour chart....on it's way back up to at least 1530.....and beyond if this keeps up
Trump profit taking and buy again later when people sell?
Better wait next week for new trade
Training.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-11-08/trump-says-u-s-hasn-t-agreed-to-full-tariff-rollback-with-china
Confucius: the man who broke the mountain was the same man who started ...
Trump is always unpredictable. He my take U turn in next week
Meh.

This is all just discussion around terms and timing surrounding trade going forward.

Phases, tariffs, deals, blah blah blah.
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be careful I think he's very hungry
Confucius: the man who broke the mountain was the same man who started ...
The constant back and forth will just help get better positions imo. This is part of the market noise it's how do we interpret that and turn it into money. Right now I'm just going to sit on the sideline before getting any new positions (other than letting my CAD/JPY long run and my USD/MXN short).
The markets are like water it ebbs and flows.
Gold will hit 1483 if nothing especial happens
Quoting hilmansyah
{quote} Where are you seeing gold moving back like crazy? i just see gold is trying to retrace fibo 23.6 on H4 chart {image}
Thats a busy chart!! Those indicators are covering up the candles.
OIL shot up after these comments, hitting SL of many retailer, giants making money, at session end, new comments may come to bring Oil down to its original position as CAD data arrived weak. 57.30 and 57.86 are two resistances to come. Taking smallest lot Sell position at 57.25 with SL 57.90, TP 55.45 , This is not a signal.
the volume of manipulation is making me sick.
the Chinese claimed that the us agreed with removing tariffs, gold dropped under 14.60 and stocks like Dow went up nearly 400pips
that news rejected and trump refused that but what happened?!!! nothing!!! Dow and the rest stocks are the same channel!!!
disgusting. i can't remember this great deal of manipulation during 12years ago.
we'd better call it " stealing money market ".
Quoting sadeghi
the volume of manipulation is making me sick. the Chinese claimed that the us agreed with removing tariffs, gold dropped under 14.60 and stocks like Dow went up nearly 400pips that news rejected and trump refused that but what happened?!!! nothing!!! Dow and the rest stocks are the same channel!!! disgusting. i can't remember this great deal of manipulation during 12years ago. we'd better call it " stealing money market ".
Stop blaming the game (market). If you dont like the game, dont play, no one is making you. Game rules are evolving as the traders. Don't want to evolve with the game? Stop playing it.

No one is stealing your money, you are giving it to the market. If you dont enter the position they cant take it from you!
Quoting sadeghi
the volume of manipulation is making me sick. the Chinese claimed that the us agreed with removing tariffs, gold dropped under 14.60 and stocks like Dow went up nearly 400pips that news rejected and trump refused that but what happened?!!! nothing!!! Dow and the rest stocks are the same channel!!! disgusting. i can't remember this great deal of manipulation during 12years ago. we'd better call it " stealing money market ".
It is already happening and I see it, it is falling, the bear does not want its dams to escape it has to make them think that it is only playing
Confucius: the man who broke the mountain was the same man who started ...
Damm why oil is goin higher higher?? Even inventory were more lol
Quoting sadeghi
the volume of manipulation is making me sick. the Chinese claimed that the us agreed with removing tariffs, gold dropped under 14.60 and stocks like Dow went up nearly 400pips that news rejected and trump refused that but what happened?!!! nothing!!! Dow and the rest stocks are the same channel!!! disgusting. i can't remember this great deal of manipulation during 12years ago. we'd better call it " stealing money market ".
I have a theory.

You know how you can put an alert on Google to email you anytime news comes out with your base search parameters? I could right now have Google email me anytime an article says "Trump+trade+China". Most banks have algorithms that enter the vast majority of their trades. All they would have to do is set up a similar alert function and tell the algorithm to enter xxx amount of money as soon as it receives the alert. Thus their trade activities are masked by 'news' without the common trader being alerted to what is happening.

That xxx amount of money was already scheduled to hit the market today. But perhaps the bank can get a better price by doing this 'hidden' style of trading.

Remember I can't prove this though I do think I read something like this some time back.
Quoting echo1
{quote} Stop blaming the game (market). If you dont like the game, dont play, no one is making you. Game rules are evolving as the traders. Don't want to evolve with the game? Stop playing it. No one is stealing your money, you are giving it to the market. If you dont enter the position they cant take it from you!
good boy you don't yet know the meaning of the game. playing game is different to stealing. playing game has its own rules. it's not like a video game you play. playing game has a important journal and it's a field. I opened two short position with very low volume ( .05). my unhappiness is because of unnatural maniplation not losing money. you are just a kid and don't know many thing, for this you should grow up a bit and then perhaps you can enter in a discussion.
Quoting sadeghi
{quote} good boy you don't yet know the meaning of the game. playing game is different to stealing. playing game has its own rules. it's not like a video game you play. playing game has a important journal and it's a field. I opened two short position with very low volume ( .05). my unhappiness is because of unnatural maniplation not losing money. you are just a kid and don't know many thing, for this you should grow up a bit and then perhaps you can enter in a discussion.
I am open for discussions, not constant complaining that I see on these forums about "market took my money"
For Discussion: Think objectively - You have expectations how the market "should" behave, because you wrote "unnatural manipulation". What is "unnatural manipulation"? There is no set universal definition of it, do you agree or not?
There is a trader out there who had a long at the same time you had a short and that trader made money while you lost. Im not talking about the other end of your position but in general, at any given time retail traders are buying and selling. To them the market was "natural" and went according to their plan.

What is the market? Its the cumulative opinion of all participants and algos reflected as the current price at any moment. agree or not?
If trump says stuff and markets react to it positively, but you think Trump is full of BS and think it should be negative reaction, its on YOU for not aligning with the markets opinion rather than the market lining up with your opinion, agree or not?
OIL = 61.11..SELL
I definitely don't think anyone is blaming the market as it isn't the market that dictates the fluctuations. It is us, consumer sentiment, and just the overall human mind frame. I think he's speaking about the jerking of the markets with these headlines. It is manipulation plain and simple you can say the game changes as everything evolves but nothing is necessarily evolving at this point other than the speed we get news and react to it. Literally this week we've had trade optimism go up and down a few times over, I won't complain since it gives me opportune abilities to purchase at lower intervals and provides liquidity to the market.
The markets are like water it ebbs and flows.
Its what the mkt does AFTER any reaction to the news, that counts.
Why oil has to go over 61?
Everybody is complaining about "Sentiment Manipulation".
Despite that being an intrinsic part of market operation...
I do sympathise with folk that find the epic/excessive level of media fog and BS thats surrounding the current Sino-US trade negotiations.

IMHO The fault is largely with the way in which the US Administration has chosen to conduct them.
The negotiations are wholly intergovernmental and should be totally confidential with joint agreed statements issued on weekly basis. Instead its been turned into a political twitter circus by the current US Administration. Folk may recall the strict confidentiality rules that governed both the (now dead) TPP and the TTIP negotiations that while controversial on other fronts, at least avoided this level of BS consuming media and markets.
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Quoting Momofrmnyc
I definitely don't think anyone is blaming the market as it isn't the market that dictates the fluctuations. It is us, consumer sentiment, and just the overall human mind frame. I think he's speaking about the jerking of the markets with these headlines. It is manipulation plain and simple you can say the game changes as everything evolves but nothing is necessarily evolving at this point other than the speed we get news and react to it. Literally this week we've had trade optimism go up and down a few times over, I won't complain since it gives...
Headlines always effected the market. Some days/weeks/months its more, sometimes less. Depending on what is happening in the world. In the current market conditions headlines tend to move the market more.

I had sells on gold early morning, buy in the morning, and sells around noon -13:00. Not every day goes this smooth and I have loosing days of course. How is it that my analysis aligned with the "unpredictable" news?
Got lucky? maybe but if over time I keep getting analysis and trades correct inline with the market, regardless of the news, maybe, just maybe its not about the news after all.
Every one unloads their expectations on the markets, which is useless. That's just your opinion, just like I have my own. Its not how "it should be" but "what it". I can disagree and be upset all day long about these headline news moves. It will change nothing for me.
Ask your self how CAN I trade in this environment? Maybe you need to adjust your strategy. Go for 50 pips instead of 100 but double the position. The less time you are in the markets the less you are exposing yourself to risk. Thats risk management
Quoting echo1
{quote} Headlines always effected the market. Some days/weeks/months its more, sometimes less. Depending on what is happening in the world. In the current market conditions headlines tend to move the market more. I had sells on gold early morning, buy in the morning, and sells around noon -13:00. Not every day goes this smooth and I have loosing days of course. How is it that my analysis aligned with the "unpredictable" news? Got lucky? maybe but if over time I keep getting analysis and trades correct inline with the market, regardless...

I'd have to agree I myself try to align my thoughts and analysis to my sentiment and what I believe the market will do. Obviously I can't always be right and I'm ok with that. If anything this supposed back and forth gives you ample opportunities to make bank. I've literally made profits all this month due to my long position on CAD/JPY and its been going up due to trade optimism. I didn't complain I made bank off of it. That's the difference we can talk about manipulation for days but at the end of the day it comes down to making profitable trades and accepting if your on the losing end cut your losses and try again. We can't hit with 100% accuracy but if we think from a logical point rather than emotional our trades will be better for it.
The markets are like water it ebbs and flows.
Quoting Momofrmnyc
{quote} I'd have to agree I myself try to align my thoughts and analysis to my sentiment and what I believe the market will do. Obviously I can't always be right and I'm ok with that. If anything this supposed back and forth gives you ample opportunities to make bank. I've literally made profits all this month due to my long position on CAD/JPY and its been going up due to trade optimism. I didn't complain I made bank off of it. That's the difference we can talk about manipulation for days but at the end of the day it comes down to making profitable...
Exactly! You figured a way to trade and be profitable with current conditions. Thats the proof that it can be done to anyone else who is having a hard time.
I used to swing more and I adjusted to session/day trading because my swing system wasn't working well in the current conditions. There is a good chance your swing system is better than mine in these conditions.
Now that I am day trading, I love it and getting great results. Im not going to keep swinging and loosing and complaining thats for sure.
Quoting echo1
{quote} Exactly! You figured a way to trade and be profitable with current conditions. Thats the proof that it can be done to anyone else who is having a hard time. I used to swing more and I adjusted to session/day trading because my swing system wasn't working well in the current conditions. There is a good chance your swing system is better than mine in these conditions. Now that I am day trading, I love it and getting great results. Im not going to keep swinging and loosing and complaining thats for sure.
Totally agree! At the end of the day we are in a business to make money. Like any business you'll make profits and you'll take losses it's mitigating those risks. My system is more now based on price action and fundamental news. This month has been a great month to make profits off of the trade optimism. Instead of complaining about the markets you could profit off these tangents like so many people have. The problem is when we are losing as traders it's easy to blame everything and everyone than ourselves. I have no problem accepting I can be wrong and closing the gates right there and then. We just need to accept that things will happen in the markets that we can't control we just have to position ourselves to get in, make money, and get out.
The markets are like water it ebbs and flows.
these men are talking about complaining are interesting to me. after years trading, you men don't yet know that pointing out manipulation is not complain. manipulation is an undeniable reality in the market and isn't at any rate equal to complaining. it mostly happened. but what i saw during 3days ago was overly manipulation and making a fool of traders. I'm saying this, not for losing money, not at all. i only lost 35$ for buying gold ( i will keep it ) but 100$ in profit for shorting DOW and UJ. i never put much money in such a risky condition. I just messed up because of the volume of manipulation that doesn't make any sense and i have never seen like it withing 12years trading. anyway, I'm not a man of complaining, I just pointed out unnatural direction, of course in my opinion, if anyone is opposed, he or she can decently states her or his reason. putting comment should be decently, especially those ones who is kid in trading and doesn't yet know anything about difference between complaining and pointing out manipulation.
Gold is going down...
Quoting Don100
Gold is going down...
today we got fucked up , gold went down and oil up my friend , fuckin manip . this is gambling , i lost 1k i will keep the oil orders to see what happens on monnday. I will quit this game soon , I thcannot no I don’t have the nerves anymore too much for me
Quoting Nihar1969
Trump is always unpredictable. He my take U turn in next week
may this wish come true
Quoting sadeghi
these men are talking about complaining are interesting to me. after years trading, you men don't yet know that pointing out manipulation is not complain. manipulation is an undeniable reality in the market and isn't at any rate equal to complaining. it mostly happened. but what i saw during 3days ago was overly manipulation and making a fool of traders. I'm saying this, not for losing money, not at all. i only lost 35$ for buying gold ( i will keep it ) but 100$ in profit for shorting DOW and UJ. i never put much money in such a risky condition....
Great to hear some feedback, but you have not answered any of the questions I left for you.
"manipulation is an undeniable reality" - Manipulation and market is like human and air that we breathe.

Would you say that and institution that puts a larger order in the market is manipulation? It knows that an order that size will move the market. Therefore its conscious manipulation! This happens 1000s of times a day.

The market is made of manipulations. without manipulation it would not exist, or exist in the way you know it to be. If I had a 100 billion buy order on some currency, I would be the manipulator of the market for that moment.

Cumulative manipulations of price = market.
Complaining about manipulation is = complaining about the very fabric the market is made of.
Quoting echo1
{quote} Great to hear some feedback, but you have not answered any of the questions I left for you. "manipulation is an undeniable reality" - Manipulation and market is like human and air that we breathe. Would you say that and institution that puts a larger order in the market is manipulation? It knows that an order that size will move the market. Therefore its conscious manipulation! This happens 1000s of times a day. The market is made of manipulations. without manipulation it would not exist, or exist in the way you know it to be....
I have no willing for discussing with the ones who don't know their place and get out of politeness when they wanna say anything.
manipulation is not a simple matter. it's complicated and have various types. there is many article about it. it's an illegal and there are the potent laws for preventing it in the market. as several banks and brokers have faced with heavy penalties for manipulating. in the simplest case, i can tell you that fixing clients' orders by big banks and other huge brokers that manage very high and effective orders for preventing the move of the market in the right direction. it's conventional.
about the term of " unnaturally " that i have used it in the one of my comments, i should say that using "abnormally term " is common in the some texts and article about manipulation. I still say that the direction of usd and gold was unnatural and doesn't fit existing facts.
and finally, I did not complain about manipulation. i just pointed it because it was clear to me. I love the market and analyzing it. not only for making profits but for the field i left ten years of my life for studying in it and graduation. at any rate, that comment was not for losing money because i wasn't in the loss, i don't leave any comment when i make losses.
good luck
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