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  • Alibaba, other Chinese stocks drop on report White House considering China investment limits

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    hares of Alibaba and other Chinese companies plunged in a sudden move after reports the White House is considering ways to limit U.S. investments in China. Bloomberg News reported on Friday Trump administration officials are weighing delisting Chinese companies from American stock exchanges and putting a limit on U.S. government pension funds’ exposure to the Chinese market. Alibaba shares dropped 5% on the report. Baidu and JD.com also traded lower. Those shares all trade on Nasdaq. The iShares China Large-Cap ETF dropped 1% in a sudden move. The ETF’s biggest holdings are China Construction Bank and Tencent ... (full story)

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  • Sep 27, 2019 1:25pm Sep 27, 2019 1:25pm
  •  RossEdwards
  • Joined Jun 2019 | Status: Member | 2,320 Comments
Whats there to go wrong?
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  • Sep 27, 2019 1:37pm Sep 27, 2019 1:37pm
  •  Manudatinh
  • | Joined Nov 2008 | Status: Member | 389 Comments
I don't see anything wrong, it is "THE ART OF THE DEAL".
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  • Sep 27, 2019 2:51pm Sep 27, 2019 2:51pm
  •  amilgarg
  • | Joined Jul 2019 | Status: Member | 4 Comments
That is not art of the deal at all. That is manipulation and is hurting the global economic, making instability.
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  • Sep 27, 2019 3:56pm Sep 27, 2019 3:56pm
  •  GillyFX
  • | Joined Jul 2018 | Status: Member | 145 Comments
Be ready to pick it up. There are soon good support to buy, as I do from here and some lower. Same on the iShares EFT.
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  • Sep 28, 2019 2:15am Sep 28, 2019 2:15am
  •  sidhujag
  • Joined Apr 2009 | Status: Non-Member | 912 Comments
Quoting GillyFX
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Be ready to pick it up. There are soon good support to buy, as I do from here and some lower. Same on the iShares EFT.
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go ahead and pick up pennies infront of a bulldozer why dont ya
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  • Sep 28, 2019 9:32am Sep 28, 2019 9:32am
  •  GillyFX
  • | Joined Jul 2018 | Status: Member | 145 Comments
Sidhujag, many does but it is mostly the ones selling to this news, and think they are doing the "logic trade". It is not the "logic trade" that wins in the long run. And also understand that it has to do with the News put in front of your nose to sniff it in and get doped. Donald is good to do this, CNBC too, and several others, I mentioned UBS and I earned 40 pips only yesterday on their fake news of continuing strengthen of the USD (short term from this 28-month low). I do this consideration 2-4 times every week,combined with Sentiment, Order flow, and ''mean reversal" - considerations, combined. It works for me last 4 years, but I have been in the sheep hurd too, long time untill I figured some of it out. Then after realising the Market Makers work and the (some of) the Banks analysis, I became profitable, not before. Not always a profitable trade, but majority of time. Most of traders do follow the "News", about 80% to be correct, and that is why approx. the same %-ages loses to the "bulldozers", as you call them. Let us see in the days forward. I have long positions from the low drops yesterday, prepared to scale more into longs, in several Chinese now. But not for long, only to take out the run back coming soon.
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  • Sep 28, 2019 11:23am Sep 28, 2019 11:23am
  •  sidhujag
  • Joined Apr 2009 | Status: Non-Member | 912 Comments
Quoting GillyFX
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Sidhujag, many does but it is mostly the ones selling to this news, and think they are doing the "logic trade". It is not the "logic trade" that wins in the long run. And also understand that it has to do with the News put in front of your nose to sniff it in and get doped. Donald is good to do this, CNBC too, and several others, I mentioned UBS and I earned 40 pips only yesterday on their fake news of continuing strengthen of the USD (short term from this 28-month low). I do this consideration 2-4 times every week,combined with...
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The key to trading is not trading itself. It’s knowing yourself. That is the holy grail. If you know what kind of temperament you really really have then you can devise a strategy personally for yourself in a way that you won’t deviate from. Any strategy can become profitable if you apply the basics. Takes 10 years for some and a lifetime for others. Some may never get to it.
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  • Sep 29, 2019 9:20am Sep 29, 2019 9:20am
  •  GillyFX
  • | Joined Jul 2018 | Status: Member | 145 Comments
Yes, you are right about that, it is very essential. On the other scene now : the US Govt, has just officially denied these "News" and my prediction, not so surpricing to me, are developing good. Now we will see the market reaction when they opens….As described above and when this happened I had to comment it, as it was a typical manipulation scheme...again… and also as described above; I tanked up long. They happens all the time, and often 4-5 times a week, from different angles. Thank you CNBC, and Bloomberg !! Some of my favorite contrarian signal providers.
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  • Sep 29, 2019 3:08pm Sep 29, 2019 3:08pm
  •  sidhujag
  • Joined Apr 2009 | Status: Non-Member | 912 Comments
Quoting GillyFX
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Yes, you are right about that, it is very essential. On the other scene now : the US Govt, has just officially denied these "News" and my prediction, not so surpricing to me, are developing good. Now we will see the market reaction when they opens….As described above and when this happened I had to comment it, as it was a typical manipulation scheme...again… and also as described above; I tanked up long. They happens all the time, and often 4-5 times a week, from different angles. Thank you CNBC, and Bloomberg !! Some of my favorite contrarian...
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It shouldn’t really matter where it goes. Typical edge is around 1% so it’s usually 50/50 anyway. If you tanked up long more than 1% of your equity on a single trade and your justifying your position (confirmation bias) it means you are going to go broke sooner or later just to reiterate the edge is you and you should know random walk with mm is profitable long term
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  • Edited at 4:52pm Sep 29, 2019 4:39pm | Edited at 4:52pm
  •  GillyFX
  • | Joined Jul 2018 | Status: Member | 145 Comments
Thanks for your Trading Elementary School Class of advise for Money Management and Risk Management. Like said earlier, yes important, but even I dont use your model, or others educated by the "experts" in multiple on-line courses, I have my Money Management working fine, thanks. And btw, I dont actually know how this became a topic, as I never said anything about my Portfolio, Stops, or %-ages of this, position sizing, risk, etc. "Tanked up" does not, in my world, mean I sold my house and car to buy Chinese stocks….haha. And by the way, I have not "one tank", I have them spread in several Methods, well managed. Money Management, and Risk control is important but not the core of my message and reason for commenting on this recent news event. I think maybe you missed the whole point, it was regarding the manipulation of the markets going on all the time, by well knows banks, TV channels and others (incl POTUS use of Twitter) in the market that sucks 80+ % of "wise" traders here into the opposite of their own position. You may have not come there yet, to be able to read the Order Books or Order Flow or study Sentiment of Retail Traders, and use it to Your advantage ? This is what all big banks, hedge funds and Market Makers in FX - brokerages do. Keep up your good work on Money Management, however, as I passed my graduation on that subject some 15 -17 years ago, I dont spend much time on discussing this and what will happen if I dont use this., as it is an obvious or elementary part of what I do. And yes, I lost a lot also before I learned. But last 12 years+ I have been more and more constantly profitble, but not only because of what you try to predict in your 2 responses to my comments. And also my Activity is not only to speculate in fake news. No, that is just a minor part of it, it is ok sometimes as Trading is d.... boring as most know, and then it is some fun in between, as it is like stealing candies from kids. I also have a good methodology I consistently follow with tight discipline. Also dont judge me for the short registering time I have been here, or my activity on this, as I do very brief comments here if I am bored and have little else to do, or see something I think is worth it. I have no other interest being here than reading what Retail Traders / "Dumb Money" react to, as a mass, as elements of my methodology is opposite, as you may have catched up by now…?! And one last thing; my last comment to you, as you should not expect me to spend time on discussing your elementary school class of trading. Good luck with your studies, and remember only 1% (!!) position sizing on each trade...LOL
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  • Sep 29, 2019 6:07pm Sep 29, 2019 6:07pm
  •  sidhujag
  • Joined Apr 2009 | Status: Non-Member | 912 Comments
What is your stop loss if it keeps going down? You made the call let’s see if you can put your money on the call.. what is your entry and exit plan for the loss if it goes down? (Hard / soft is fine)
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  • Oct 1, 2019 10:18pm Oct 1, 2019 10:18pm
  •  sidhujag
  • Joined Apr 2009 | Status: Non-Member | 912 Comments
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Be ready to pick it up. There are soon good support to buy, as I do from here and some lower. Same on the iShares EFT.
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So you say it happens all the time I think we are trading lower now? What is your call ? Your original trade entry exit tp?
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  • Oct 3, 2019 1:24pm Oct 3, 2019 1:24pm
  •  GillyFX
  • | Joined Jul 2018 | Status: Member | 145 Comments
Now up about 5% on my Chinese Stocks, ETFs, and 85% on the options. And some more to come, but knocking off 50% of positions now. How about you, Stop loss - man ? Some Call this "Event Manipulation News", or simply what Donaled says: "Fake News" (but for another cause). And it is NOT related to Money Management.
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