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I am so confused following these headlines ..... .... I think the best thing is to avoid them!!!
Quoting Ojiego
I am so confused following these headlines ..... .... I think the best thing is to avoid them!!!
You do realise of course that the nearer we get the noisier it's gonna get and most of it will be complete gobsxxt?
Gbp will crash only either way
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Quoting Ojiego
I am so confused following these headlines ..... .... I think the best thing is to avoid them!!!
That's how they foolish all of retail traders...
Quoting upasna
Gbp will crash only either way
Either way? What, do you mean , if a deal is done or if no deal is done?
if you keep follow this news, you can't even trade lol

just make 2R profit " don't care what they said"
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No Confidence in PM? so whos going to be next UK Conservative Gov PM? or will there be a General Election?
It's hilarious

Like watching dog races....
Well i miss the beer, sensible conversation....

Beware of robber banks (RB), bad advisors.
Quoting upasna
Gbp will crash only either way
Of course.

Question is when....

All these stop hunts up are tedious....

They entice the long crowd now...will it take weeks, days???

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Beware of robber banks (RB), bad advisors.
Everything May will do to achieve an agreement will be boycoted by the members of her own party. This lack of concordance is actually a tradition on the British political stage, it's efect is lack of progress in decission making, and it translated thoughout the history as "British Conservatism".

That being said, debates will prolong and we will see no agreement at all.

Things will change only after Brexit effects will start to take a toll on the British economy and be felt by the British people, most likely companies leaving U.K. and factories closing.

And only then, we will see pro-EU demonstrations and a coup d'état in U.K. with a strong shift towards E.U. reintegration. But this will hapen only after the economic damage.

For now, everybody is laughing, and everybody is happy. Let's enjoy this priceless moment.
Always funny how people are wedded to a mind set rather than being flexible to the possibilities of outcome. IMO Brexit is priced in and now we're seeing more push or drag from actual economic figures coming through. That is not to say there will not be the potential for all sorts of Brexit mischief chatter happening on a daily basis of the next 6 months and beyond. Just remember to keep your paddles in when riding the rapids...
well someone has to tell her to drop em ?
Quoting FX-Syndicate
Everything May will do to achieve an agreement will be boycoted by the members of her own party. This lack of concordance is actually a tradition on the British political stage, it's efect is lack of progress in decission making, and it translated thoughout the history as "British Conservatism". That being said, debates will prolong and we will see no agreement at all. Things will change only after Brexit effects will start to take a toll on the British economy and be felt by the British people, most likely companies leaving U.K. and factories...
What examples do you have of this British so called tradition of, lack of concordance ?
Quoting dean1star
well someone has to tell her to drop em ?
Now I've got to live with that image in my head, thanks Dean
Quoting Wayne2401
{quote} What examples do you have of this British so called tradition of, lack of concordance ?
Major 'fiddling in 1992...https://www.independent.co.uk/news/m...t-1122598.html

May 'dithers' in 2016: https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/70...thering-brexit

and again 2016: https://www.independent.co.uk/travel...-a7012076.html

The UK Govt seems to employ a 'waiting strategy', which is fine as long as that is not your ONLY strategy.
Quoting NewtonsCash
{quote} Now I've got to live with that image in my head, thanks Dean
'Oh Gravity!' (It kind'a takes hold).
Quoting UnBearybull
{quote} Major 'fiddling in 1992...https://www.independent.co.uk/news/m...t-1122598.html May 'dithers' in 2016: https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/70...thering-brexit and again 2016: https://www.independent.co.uk/travel...-a7012076.html The UK Govt seems to employ a 'waiting strategy', which is fine as long as that is not your ONLY strategy.
Whether one accepts your examples or not - 3 hardly constitutes a British tradition.
One mans dithering, is another mans cool head and consideration.
Quoting Wayne2401
{quote} What examples do you have of this British so called tradition of, lack of concordance ?
I don't have time here to count you the entire history of political struggles of the U.K. For this, you will have to study the history of Great Britain.

It is however fair enough to say that at the time of Brexit vote, the country was far far away from being united:
48.11% of the entire population (almost half) voted to remain.

Brexit was hardly won (51.89% of the population was in favour), by a margin of JUST 1.89% OK?
So we can roughly say that the country was almost split in two.

And this was a blind vote, without citizens being aware of the economical implications of their action.

This refletcs how unstable U.K. is in decission making.

With such an instable political environment, I have the feeling that UK remaining in E.U. on the long run, would only cause trouble. It is highly likely that if British uncertainty will persist, to see E.U. severing it's ties with U.K. for good.

The hidden scenario that could spark from Brexit, is to assist to a political disintegration: Scotland, Northern Ireland, Wales, will follow their own political paths and London will become much of a principality within E.U. like Luxembourg, Lichtenstein, Monaco, Andorra or sort of, which afterall will be not bad at all.

Worth also to mention that British's Brexit issue, is a minor problem for the E.U.

Everybody already knows who the biggest looser is.
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Quoting FX-Syndicate
{quote} I don't have time here to count you the entire history of political struggles of the U.K. For this, you will have to study the history of Great Britain. It is however fair enough to say that at the time of Brexit vote, the country was far far away from being united: 48.11% of the entire population (almost half) voted to remain. Brexit was hardly won (51.89% of the population was in favour), by a margin of JUST 1.89% OK? So we can roughly say that the country was almost split in two. And this was a blind vote, without citizens being aware...
And your point is? So far you havn't said anything that hasn't already been repeated ad nauseam.
Quoting nbfx
{quote} And your point is? So far you havn't said anything that hasn't already been repeated ad nauseam.
FX-Syndicate seems to think there is any kind of unity in EU, it's become a centrist fascist state with jack boots walking all over it and kicking the poor, if thats something this guy admires , let him, of course he see's freedom of speech and a difference of opinion as disunity, anything less than an Orwellian vision is "inferior", "weak" or "to be destroyed", well, the EU's already bankrupt, financially, intellectually and politically, let the fellow have his say , like the nut jobs at speakers corner, then smile , laugh and walk away
Quoting FX-Syndicate
{quote} I don't have time here to count you the entire history of political struggles of the U.K. For this, you will have to study the history of Great Britain. It is however fair enough to say that at the time of Brexit vote, the country was far far away from being united: 48.11% of the entire population (almost half) voted to remain. Brexit was hardly won (51.89% of the population was in favour), by a margin of JUST 1.89% OK? So we can roughly say that the country was almost split in two. And this was a blind vote, without citizens being aware...
History is a wonderful reality check - Europe 1914, Europe 1936 etc. Needless to say but having a close split in any vote actually shows stability - chaos lays in massive swings either side of the bell curve. The danger is not seeing that a compass has 4 points - east and west, left and right - but also north and south = authoritarianism versus individual liberty.
Quoting nbfx
{quote} And your point is? So far you havn't said anything that hasn't already been repeated ad nauseam.
Well he has come up with a new one ( to me at least) that London is to become a separate entity!
Quoting Lamplighter
{quote} History is a wonderful reality check - Europe 1914, Europe 1936 etc. Needless to say but having a close split in any vote actually shows stability - chaos lays in massive swings either side of the bell curve. The danger is not seeing that a compass has 4 points - east and west, left and right - but also north and south = authoritarianism versus individual liberty.
The untold truth about Brexit, is that U.K. got frustrated by the lack of political power at Bruxelles. It felt itself powerless.

U.K. never desired to adopt the common currency for example, because it felt it will undermine it's national identity while other european countries, had no problems of doing it.

In the European project, everybody leaves the pride aside and stands together and makes some concessions for the sake of a greater goal that would translate into economic prosperity.

United States for instance, succeeded because they stayed united.

Britain never wanted to achieve this common goal from the beginnings. It considers itself too important on the World stage to do that, it lives with the nostalgy of steam era, of the mighty British Empire, it has too much pride, also known as "Superbia", the 7th capital sin in the Bible.
Quoting Wayne2401
{quote} Well he has come up with a new one ( to me at least) that London is to become a separate entity!
Nah - that one was touted nearly two years ago. not even an original thought in there...
Quoting nbfx
{quote} Nah - that one was touted nearly two years ago. not even an original thought in there...
Sorry i did not realise, Nonsense being spouted for a good while then.
Quoting Wayne2401
{quote} Sorry i did not realise, Nonsense being spouted for a good while then.
Nothing to apologise for - the naysayers have been very busy dreaming up all sorts nonsense to try and scare people into towing the unelected commissioners' line...

How dare us say NO!
Quoting nbfx
{quote} And your point is? So far you havn't said anything that hasn't already been repeated ad nauseam.
The point is that Britain should find common ground within E.U. along France and Germany.

And should respect Irish and Scotish voters.

If you will look on the map with results, you will see that England and Wales counted for the majority of Brexiteers. The question is: why we see blue in England and Wales, a quarter of Northern Ireland, and Yellow in Scotland and the rest of Northern Ireland?

Why we see the litle blue spot in Northern Ireland? the answer is very simple: because that part of Nordern Ireland was colonized by force by England. Why we don't see blue areas exactly in Scotland? why is that homogeneous?

What happents now, is that England drags after it "democratically" and "freely", Scotland and Nordern Ireland which were against leaving the E.U.
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The fact is those who manage to get into politics are not the ones that graduate Harward and other prestigious universities worldwide rekon, but idiots. No economists, no engineers, but idiots.

And it is a fact which happents in many countries, U.K. is not an exception.

All we need is a big mouth and media beside you, and you make your point to the masses. It is something which Nigel Farage did, it also what Hitler also did.

In my oppinion U.K. should seat to the table with France and Germany, and find a solution that would address the problems which led to the split, such as strenghtening external EU borders in order to stop illegal immigration for instance, etc.

It had it's point which it is absolutelly justified and which whom I also agree rather than pulling the country towards an economic disaster.

Negociation and common sense is the key to success. As far as I know, in Bruxelles everybody is free to express it's oppinion and all countries have the right to vote freely. The majority will prevail. And if you have strong arguments, you will win majorities, even against France and Germany.

But England never wanted to fight within the E.U. for a common ground. It never believed in a common cause, never willed to adopt Euro. It is more easy to dismantle the unity of others.
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Quoting FX-Syndicate
{quote} The point is that Britain should find common ground within E.U. along France and Germany. And should respect Irish and Scotish voters. If you will look on the map with results, you will see that England and Wales counted for the majority of Brexiteers. The question is: why we see blue in England and Wales, a quarter of Northern Ireland, and Yellow in Scotland and the rest of Northern Ireland? Why we see the litle blue spot in Northern Ireland? the answer is very simple: because that part of Nordern Ireland was colonized by force by England....
Scotland is part of the UK, so it must adhere to the majority vote ( called democracy ) They voted to stay as part of the UK. If they have changed their mind now, they can vote again as Sturgeon wants and then leave. They shall then be free to do as they wish as an individual country. If they think they can stand on their own 2 feet without taking the English shilling - would save England some money
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For Traders:
Our takeaway is ..
There can be No Deal on Mays proposal. (though CoM27 may give her more room to improve it- (fudge) since a political crisis in UK (Mays demise/General Election/2nd Referendum) at this critical stage is not in EU interest)
Background: The UK political landscape provides May no coherent mandate to engage with the political and economic realities that UK as a Member (15%GDP of EU) is the one leaving and is the supplicant in this negotiation for a future relationship. Not the other way around.
Bazaar ideas that No Deal is better than a "Bad Deal"(good propaganda) have no substance, but one that UK brexit factions, UK Government and UK /International Anglophone Media have perpetuated. As have delusions that in No-Deal, a WTO terms are "OK", that UK can refuse to pay the close 40B debts they owe the EU, or that EU "Need" UK more than viceversa.
Even IF May (UK PM) gets some level of agreement for her proposals or is allowed some can-kicking in next 48h by the EU Council of Ministers, its difficult to see how she can deliver ratification of any of it given her current lack of parliamentary or even Cabinet mandate.

In Market terms..it is hard to see any good result for UK Industry (&GBP) in short term against this background. Our view is that current GBP levels reflect positional mis-pricing, and despite the possibility that short term negotiation failure may be built into price, in favor of long term faith in Keynesian ideas that rationality will ultimately prevail, we are less sanguine.. LoL and continue to be broadly bearish GBP.
Just a Thought..
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For Traders: Our takeaway is .. There can be No Deal on Mays proposal. (though CoM27 may give her more room to improve it- (fudge) since a political crisis in UK (Mays demise/General Election/2nd Referendum) at this critical stage is not in EU interest) Background: The UK political landscape provides May no coherent mandate to engage with the political and economic realities that UK as a Member (15%GDP of EU) is the one leaving and is the supplicant in this negotiation for a future relationship. Not the other way around. Bazaar ideas that No Deal...
In fairness to you, it is more than just a thought.
It is bias myopia that ignores many actual facts.
Blabla.....Cabinet Told To Force Theresa....???

Who does the telling??

The politicians paymasters

Right
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Quoting FX-Syndicate
{quote} I don't have time here to count you the... Brexit was hardly won (51.89% of the population was in favour), by a margin of JUST 1.89% OK? So we can roughly say that the country was almost split in two. And this was a blind vote, without citizens being aware...
Why do you say population??

Get a dictionary and calcultor...


70% voted of ELIGIBLE to vote.

You know kids, aliens don't vote???
So who voted is about 70% of 50 million with 52% yes....
Yes???
That's about 18 million votes, way under 1/3 of POPULATION!!!!!

In eligible numbers....70x52..... It's 36% voted YES. Mostly retired, jobless, drunk.... so called "tired" voters.
You know what i mean
I'll hint a bit : I wanna me control of me borders mate.....i wanna free house in Spain mate...... i say that EU is horrible because 200000 people a year enter from NON-EU countries, visaed by da government, and that's EU to blame!!!!!!! Suuuuuuuure


Millions stayed at work, traffic jam etc, and thus VOTED NO.

Simple.

And yes, millions were deceived by the liars....
Beware of robber banks (RB), bad advisors.
Quoting Not-KPMG
{quote} Why do you say population?? Get a dictionary and calcultor... 70% voted of ELIGIBLE to vote. You know kids, aliens don't vote??? So who voted is about 70% of 50 million with 52% yes.... Yes??? That's about 18 million votes, way under 1/3 of POPULATION!!!!! In eligible numbers....70x52..... It's 36% voted YES. Mostly retired, jobless, drunk.... so called "tired" voters. You know what i mean I'll hint a bit : I wanna me control of me borders mate.....i wanna free house in Spain mate...... i say that EU is horrible because...
So if I voted leave, I am a retired racist, drunk and lying that I am in a traffic jam. Unable to read the various news articles.My vote should not count.
If I voted stay i am perfectly upstanding and correct. Cannot be influenced at all.My vote and only those like minded should count.
If I did not vote, my vote certainly would have been to Stay.
Ignorant and insulting to all Leave voters-Ad Hominem
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