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Boris Johnson resigns

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BORIS JOHNSON RESIGNS Jul 9, 2018 9:00am

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Boris Johnson resigns as Foreign Secretary

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Boris Johnson has resigned as Foreign Secretary, Downing Street has announced. A Downing Street spokesperson said: "This afternoon, the Prime Minister accepted the resignation of Boris Johnson as Foreign Secretary. "His replacement will be announced shortly. "The Prime Minister thanks Boris for his work." Mr Johnson's departure comes just hours after former Brexit Secretary David Davis quit, saying he could not back and deliver the Government's plan as he does not believe in. The resignations leave Prime Minister Theresa May facing a potential leadership crisis. Shadow education secretary Angela Rayner tweeted that ... (full story)

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Jul 10, 2018 3:54am

Quoting TraderTero

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{quote} Not well informed because even the politicians didn't know and hardly know now what brexit would actually mean. Voters were also directly lied during the campaign and there was Russian meddling. In reality a huge number of people had no idea what they were voting about but I cannot blame them as the issue is too difficult for the common man to understand. That's why UK has a parliamentary system, people vote for MPs so that they can make the difficult decisions on their behalf. Not so that the MP's throw the ball back to voters when the...

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You are totally wrong. The populace voted to leave to keep our sovereignty, self determination and to control our borders etc. Simple. The remainer ruling class have deliberately complicated the divorce by siding with what's in their best interest. It was the remainer camp who had £6 million of tax payers money for their propaganda machine to try and convert the decided over to their way of thinking which failed. MP's are just salesman and rubbish ones at that.
They are deliberately spouting horror story's which have no base. The trade agreement we have has a 10 year cooling off period according to WTO rules so this is just one classic case of lies and confusion to soften pulling out completely.
We could leave, trade with the world and the EU. If they have a problem with that then that's their problem not ours. Absolutely no need to be dictated to by them and I cannot think of one reason why any Brit would trust a foreign unelected power to control their life and their future generations lives.

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Jul 9, 2018 9:09am

He resigns to watch world cup in Russia?

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Jul 9, 2018 9:14am

The circus await you Boris, you f***ing clown

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Jul 10, 2018 3:21am

Quoting TraderTero

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{quote} Not well informed because even the politicians didn't know and hardly know now what brexit would actually mean. Voters were also directly lied during the campaign and there was Russian meddling. In reality a huge number of people had no idea what they were voting about but I cannot blame them as the issue is too difficult for the common man to understand. That's why UK has a parliamentary system, people vote for MPs so that they can make the difficult decisions on their behalf. Not so that the...

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That's a pretty condescending statement don't you think?

Actually I think that the entire Brexit concept was simple - self governance vs. submitting control to foreign nationals.

Interestingly enough I DO agree with you about the purpose of parliament. So the people have spoken - leave the EU. Now it's up to the government to "sweat the details" The problem is the government doesn't want to do the will of the people.

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Jul 10, 2018 6:16am

Quoting TraderTero

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{quote}I'm not saying that there there should be a referendum about a second referendum, I'm asking how PM May knows that British people don't want a second referendum after the outcome is clear?..

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Therein lies the rub....NOTHING is clear. Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING about Brexit is based upon assumptions.

The only REAL & ACTUAL way to find out what will happen is to get off their duffs and do it!

As an American I've said it before - Europeans amaze us at how many times they talk and analyze a situation but don't actually ever accomplish anything....paralysis by analysis

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Jul 10, 2018 11:55am

Quoting jen101

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{quote} Of course! Leave voters were so dumb, no other reason for it! Insults are pure logic! Gets you far!

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Jen, I fell your pain...Here in the USA if you are a Trump voter they assume the same thing - problem is there are many who defy their sterotypes and luckily we vote!

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Jul 9, 2018 12:50pm

Quoting Gatsby

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The only option now is a second referendum ! If the vote is out again then at least everyone will know what to expect which is something they were not told on the first ill informed propaganda of the 1st referendum . My belief is that there would be a 2/3 in favor to stay. In totally or out totally it is as simply as that.

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Dream on. Even if there was a second referendum, and the brexit vote increased, the ruling class would still ignore the populace and cry no ball

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Jul 10, 2018 11:02am

Quoting TraderTero

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{quote} So now the man on street knows better than the experts who spend all their time researching and studying these issues. I guess there is no reason for anyone to educate themselves anymore as the uneducated know better, especially the uneducated politicians. Enough with the experts.

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Yes. Proven. Remember Project Fear? What has education got to do with common sense and logic?

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Jul 10, 2018 2:13pm

Quoting Exodus

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{quote} Sorry ... I was thinking the same as you. Second vote, well I don't want it because of a number of reasons not least being that I don't want Diane Abbott doing the budgetary maths. However if there were to be a 2nd vote with the same questioning (or similar ?? ) it would be interesting to see what kind swing has occurred over the last 18 months. I would still vote for Brexit.

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Hahaha, very good, Abbott was cringing to watch. I am actually more convinced we should leave, than I was when we had the referendum. Two people I know, voted remain, tell me they now want to leave. No one I know that voted leave, has changed their mind.
THE number of British people who want to leave the EU has increased by nearly 15 percent since the Brexit vote in June 2016, a major annual survey has revealed

The latest NatCen British Social Attitudes Survey questioned 3,988 at the end of last year on what they believe it is like to live in Britain and how they think the country is run.
More than two thirds (36 percent) of interviewees now want to leave the EU - which is up from 22 percent in the research from 2015.

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Jul 9, 2018 9:37am

Quoting hkg_paul

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Now we know what happened on Friday.

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Yeah, he was setting up his 'short'.

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Jul 10, 2018 10:36am

Quoting rodlogan

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{quote} ....so you too love the way the EU gets things done and that is if the people don't want something ask again and if still not the right answer ASK AGAIN and AGAIN....what a fine piece of democracy that is and here most of us the live elsewhere and in my case "downunder" thought the Brits were made of something strong, of course you were back in days past but not now....

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An interesting thing about the EU is that the Dutch were asked by referendum about performing some action. They said 'no'. So they were asked again .... after 3 'no's their politicians went ahead and did it anyway.

That is a strong reason to leave!

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Jul 9, 2018 9:01am

Bye bye bojo

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Jul 10, 2018 4:09am

Quoting barkie

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You're right that the government should do what's in the interest of the people but we seldom see that happen. I don't see why we should be categorised as socialsist or fascist or even racist because we smell a rat with the marriage to the EU. There is an increase in awareness in the air, especially through social media, which should have our politicians shaking in their shoes if they don't carry out the will of the people without all their bullshit.

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Jul 10, 2018 9:32am

Quoting TraderTero

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{quote} Not simple at all if you don't people let know what the possible cost could be. For example a 10-20% drop in the GDP, much lower standard of living, no more free travel to Europe etc. You had the Russians financing the brexit side as well alt-right Murdoch with his news papers. EU funds amount to NHS was a total lie etc.

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Are these facts or propaganda. Where do you get the 10-20% drop from?
Who has been financed by Russia? People in the street who want out? Do you think they need Russia's money to tell them that being in the EUSSR is flawed. You should give the man on the street credit for seeing through all the shite

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Jul 10, 2018 1:30am

Quoting fxsport

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{quote} QUESTION - WHY do the Brits need a SECOND REFERENDUM? If the people who already voted to leave were ill informed who's fault was that? Trump? Russia? You wrote in totally or out totally, it's as simple as that - wasn't THAT what the FIRST referendum was about? By your logic I think we should re-do the NFP from last Friday to find out if they were REALLY sure about those jobs numbers......

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Not well informed because even the politicians didn't know and hardly know now what brexit would actually mean. Voters were also directly lied during the campaign and there was Russian meddling. In reality a huge number of people had no idea what they were voting about but I cannot blame them as the issue is too difficult for the common man to understand. That's why UK has a parliamentary system, people vote for MPs so that they can make the difficult decisions on their behalf. Not so that the MP's throw the ball back to voters when the issue is too difficult for them to decide or they don't have the required knowledge to make a decision.

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Jul 10, 2018 3:38am

How do you know the resignations, Brexit vote (the illusion of self-determination), Nigel Farage, David Cameron, Theresa May, Davis, Boris Johnson, the bickerings, media propaganda are not part of the plot to achieve this?

“Europe’s nations should be guided towards the superstate without their people understanding what is happening. This can be accomplished by successive steps, each disguised as having an economic purpose, but which will eventually and irreversibly lead to federation.” Jean Monnet

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Jul 9, 2018 9:11am

and not a moment too soon - does he really think next stop for him is no 10 .. the press will have a field day with him and for sure they are ready and waiting .. another me me yes another its all about me tell me where the fck is the team work these days ?

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Jul 9, 2018 8:05pm

Quoting Gatsby

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The only option now is a second referendum ! If the vote is out again then at least everyone will know what to expect which is something they were not told on the first ill informed propaganda of the 1st referendum . My belief is that there would be a 2/3 in favor to stay. In totally or out totally it is as simply as that.

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QUESTION - WHY do the Brits need a SECOND REFERENDUM?

If the people who already voted to leave were ill informed who's fault was that? Trump? Russia?

You wrote in totally or out totally, it's as simple as that - wasn't THAT what the FIRST referendum was about?

By your logic I think we should re-do the NFP from last Friday to find out if they were REALLY sure about those jobs numbers......

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Jul 10, 2018 11:41am

Quoting TraderTero

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{quote} For starters: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...-a7994731.html

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I'm glad you put up the references. Let's look at the one from the Independend shall we? According to the article's first two (2) paragraphs:

"A hard Brexit with no trade deal will cost the economy Â£400bn by 2030, according to a new report.

A study by Dutch banking and financial services company, Rabobank has found that leaving the single market without a trade agreement in place would cost up to 18 per cent of the UKâ€™s GDP growth by 2030, compared with remaining in the EU."

The "drop" in GDP that you mentioned in your post is INCORRECT. The paragraph clearly states that it would cost 18% of the UK's GROWTH by 2030. That is TOTALLY different than a drop of 10-20% of a countries GDP.

In addition that 18% figure goes out 12 years.....

https://countryeconomy.com/gdp/uk

If you do the math 2017 GDP was 1.8% and let's assume that the UK GDP would have continued to grow 1.8% y/y while in the EU

2017 GDP was 2,627,140 MILLION (see above link for verification)
at .018% y/y grown 2018 should be 2,673,140 million and let's continue to do this

2030 GDP @ 1.8% would be 3,311,608 MILLION BUT without the EU they estimate a reduction of 18% so...2,715,518 that's scary! BUT if the 18% is yearly then it would mean a 1.5% GDP y/y instead of a 1.8% y/y

2030 GDP @ 1.5% would be 3,188,172 MILLION

That my friend is a FAR CRY from a 18% DROP in GDP from existing rates which is NOT what the article is saying.

Critical reading is the KEY - Now I understand why you say this is too complicated for the common man - or those who only read headlines (i.e., Millenials)

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Jul 9, 2018 9:39am

What the .... is going on!?! .... I was just about digesting Davies' news then this one? BoJo of all people? I would not like to be in Ms. May's shoes right now ..... tough time for her political life.

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Jul 9, 2018 2:29pm

Mmmm is May trying to pretend Brexit never happen?

Gosh, I knew something like this would pop up when they picked a remainer as a PM.

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Jul 10, 2018 3:21am

Quoting fxsport

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{quote} QUESTION - WHY do the Brits need a SECOND REFERENDUM? If the people who already voted to leave were ill informed who's fault was that? Trump? Russia? You wrote in totally or out totally, it's as simple as that - wasn't THAT what the FIRST referendum was about? By your logic I think we should re-do the NFP from last Friday to find out if they were REALLY sure about those jobs numbers......

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No, do not re run the NFP numbers, have a referendum as Tero suggests to see if people understood them, then another referendum ....

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Jul 10, 2018 4:05am

Quoting fxsport

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{quote} That's a pretty condescending statement don't you think? Actually I think that the entire Brexit concept was simple - self governance vs. submitting control to foreign nationals. Interestingly enough I DO agree with you about the purpose of parliament. So the people have spoken - leave the EU. Now it's up to the government to "sweat the details" The problem is the government doesn't want to do the will of the people.

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Not descending at all, as to date the MP's don't even know what all this means, so how can you expect the common man to be able to know. How many people do you think for example have read the EU constitution?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_establishing_a_Constitution_for_Europe
I don't think even most of the MP's have read it due their lack of understanding about the issue.

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Jul 10, 2018 5:24am

Quoting TraderTero

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{quote} Not simple at all if you don't people let know what the possible cost could be. For example a 10-20% drop in the GDP, much lower standard of living, no more free travel to Europe etc. You had the Russians financing the brexit side as well alt-right Murdoch with his news papers. EU funds amount to NHS was a total lie etc.

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Who needs another referendum -
BREXIT SHOCK: Those wanting EU exit RISES nearly 15 percent since referendum - new poll
THE number of British people who want to leave the EU has increased by nearly 15 percent since the Brexit vote in June 2016, a major annual survey has revealed

The latest NatCen British Social Attitudes Survey questioned 3,988 at the end of last year on what they believe it is like to live in Britain and how they think the country is run.
More than two thirds (36 percent) of interviewees now want to leave the EU - which is up from 22 percent in the research from 2015.

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Jul 10, 2018 2:16pm

Quoting TraderTero

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{quote} I admit my mistake there, however the cost would be significant: Hugo Erken saying back in October that "a hard Brexit would cost the UK 18% of GDP growth until 2030 compared to a situation where the UK would continue its EU membership." "In absolute terms, this comes down to a cumulative amount of £400bn, which is equal to £11,500 per British worker." If people were asked would they be willing to pay £1000 extra in lost income every year to leave EU, I think many would have had second thoughts. Btw, that's a lot more...

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I will pay a grand a year to leave the flawed club, gladly. Cheap at the price. Bargain.

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Jul 10, 2018 11:19am

Whatever way you voted, the EU ref. WAS an unsuitable vehicle for Albert and Mabel Jones to stick 2 fingers up the "elites". Some felt, quite rightly that their city/county industries had been ignored and left to rot by successive Govt.s

A binary vote to decide a multitude of difficult decisions and to unravel 45 years of law within only 2 years after article 50.
Many leave voters were shocked to later learn how difficult the whole process was and bemoaned the low level of information and BS (from both sides) before the vote.
To simply walk away from membership without any form of agreement IS absolute folly.

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Jul 10, 2018 6:12am

Quoting barkie

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OMG! Mark your calendars!

Barkie and I agree on something!

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Jul 10, 2018 10:46am

Quoting Ken A

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How do you know the resignations, Brexit vote (the illusion of self-determination), Nigel Farage, David Cameron, Theresa May, Davis, Boris Johnson, the bickerings, media propaganda are not part of the plot to achieve this? Europe's nations should be guided towards the superstate without their people understanding what is happening. This can be accomplished by successive steps, each disguised as having an economic purpose, but which will eventually and irreversibly lead to federation." Jean Monnet

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One of the first steps along that road were taken for the UK by Tony Blair who abolished the Law Lords and created the Supreme Court which is subservient to the ECJ (or whatever).

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Jul 9, 2018 9:31am

First invent Brexit, then, when the ship starts to sink, jump out.

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Jul 9, 2018 9:12am

Now we know what happened on Friday.

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Jul 9, 2018 9:35am

wait for the next resignation and we will see 1,30 gbpusd

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Jul 9, 2018 9:09am

Good for GBP

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Jul 9, 2018 11:17am

Things are getting better and better. Now waiting for that Russian uber spy to get kicked off...

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Jul 9, 2018 11:08am

The only option now is a second referendum ! If the vote is out again then at least everyone will know what to expect which is something they were not told on the first ill informed propaganda of the 1st referendum . My belief is that there would be a 2/3 in favor to stay. In totally or out totally it is as simply as that.

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Jul 9, 2018 9:07pm

Quoting Gatsby

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The only option now is a second referendum ! If the vote is out again then at least everyone will know what to expect which is something they were not told on the first ill informed propaganda of the 1st referendum . My belief is that there would be a 2/3 in favor to stay. In totally or out totally it is as simply as that.

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If the remainers were to win this "Hypothetical" second referendum, would they campaign for the third one, just to be fair?

Of course not.

These jokers want to get rid of what little of Democracy that is still left.

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Jul 10, 2018 4:00am

Quoting Wayne2401

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{quote} You have completely contradicted yourself - First you state we should have a referendum, then another, now you state that our elected MPs should make the decisions on our behalf.

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Wayne, once again you seem to be missing my point and I explained this to you before on another thread. I oppose such referendums as people tend to vote about other issues and/or the issue is too complicated for them to understand and especially in this case what exactly a hard brexit would mean for the country economically etc.
Since the government decided to have the first one, it should should be only fair to have a second one after the negotiation result is clear.

I'm not saying that there there should be a referendum about a second referendum, I'm asking how PM May knows that British people don't want a second referendum after the outcome is clear?

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Jul 10, 2018 4:14am

Quoting Ghostship

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{quote} You are totally wrong. The populace voted to leave to keep our sovereignty, self determination and to control our borders etc. Simple. The remainer ruling class have deliberately complicated the divorce by siding with what's in their best interest. It was the remainer camp who had £6 million of tax payers money for their propaganda machine to try and convert the decided over to their way of thinking which failed. MP's are just salesman and rubbish ones at that. They are deliberately spouting horror story's which have no base. The trade agreement...

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Not simple at all if you don't people let know what the possible cost could be. For example a 10-20% drop in the GDP, much lower standard of living, no more free travel to Europe etc.
You had the Russians financing the brexit side as well alt-right Murdoch with his news papers. EU funds amount to NHS was a total lie etc.

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Jul 10, 2018 6:11am

Great News : The clumsy bull BJ in a china shop has resigned. Lets hope he gets through the door without bringing the whole shop down. At least now we have a foreign minister with some credibility on the world stage .BJ the Babling academic with no sense what so ever of reality.

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Jul 10, 2018 11:42am

Quoting jen101

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{quote} Yes. Proven. Remember Project Fear? What has education got to do with common sense and logic?

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Common sense becomes obsolete if you don't know the related facts or you are being directly lied to. For example the claim that NHS will have £350m a week extra funding was a direct lie. If you would have educated yourself regarding the matter, you would have understood that it is a lie.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/18/boris-johnson-350-million-claim-bogus-foreign-secretary
As a general rule, the ones voting for brexit were less educated and older people. The older people probably bought the NHS lie quite well.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-38762034
The article will tell you how education related to the voting results.

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Jul 10, 2018 11:50am

Quoting TraderTero

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{quote} Common sense becomes obsolete if you don't know the related facts or you are being directly lied to. For example the claim that NHS will have £350m a week extra funding was a direct lie. If you would have educated yourself regarding the matter, you would have understood that it is a lie. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/sep/18/boris-johnson-350-million-claim-bogus-foreign-secretary As a general rule, the ones voting for brexit were less educated and older people. The older people probably bought the NHS lie quite well. https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-38762034...

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Of course! Leave voters were so dumb, no other reason for it! Insults are pure logic! Gets you far!

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Jul 10, 2018 2:15pm

Quoting Ghostship

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{quote} I would love to hear how you think Russia influenced my vote

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I keep asking for his evidence- strangely quiet.

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Jul 10, 2018 2:16pm

Quoting TraderTero

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{quote} I was just referring to a couple of articles. I'm sorry if facts insult you. I wasn't personally insulting you in anyway. It's interesting how the NHS lie makes the brexiteers so mad. I guess they know that the claim was a big contributor to end result. Needs to be remembered that the result was quite tight.

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Not insulted by your assumptions because I expect no better! What does insult me is the fact you remoaners can't accept democracy. Damn, globalism.... democracy... can't be compatible, can it?

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Jul 9, 2018 12:09pm

Quoting Gatsby

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The only option now is a second referendum ! If the vote is out again then at least everyone will know what to expect which is something they were not told on the first ill informed propaganda of the 1st referendum . My belief is that there would be a 2/3 in favor to stay. In totally or out totally it is as simply as that.

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We can't just leave, there are commitments that we have to honour otherwise things could get a bit tetchy.

That aside, the numbers and the unravelling of them and the hyperbole of all parties had nothing to do with the voting intentions of a number of voters. So a second referendum would be an interesting reveal, perhaps.

Jul 10, 2018 7:51am

Quoting Wayne2401

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Careful on this one Wayne....sampling size and bias DOES exist and "should" be taken into account. I'm not discounting this just acknowledging others....

Jul 10, 2018 9:48am

Quoting TraderTero

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{quote} Not simple at all if you don't people let know what the possible cost could be. For example a 10-20% drop in the GDP, much lower standard of living, no more free travel to Europe etc. You had the Russians financing the brexit side as well alt-right Murdoch with his news papers. EU funds amount to NHS was a total lie etc.

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1. TraderTero - Where in the world do you get your 10-20% drop in GDP estimate? Facts please. Also once the England leaves the EU are you telling me that the EU will be charging people to travel to Europe? Yes there will be borders but......When I travel to the EU from the USA I'm not charged at the border, so why should the people of Great Britain?

2. Please stop with the Russian nonsense. Yes there was Russian propaganda, there has ALWAYS been. When THEN POTUS, Ronald Regan, traveled to Europe there were ENORMOUS crowds protesting the "cowboy" and most of those were in part sponsored by the former Soviet Union. It's their MO.

Jul 10, 2018 10:30am

Quoting Wayne2401

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{quote} Of course we can just leave and honour any commitments that maybe binding. Second vote -what would that vote be on??

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Sorry ... I was thinking the same as you.

Second vote, well I don't want it because of a number of reasons not least being that I don't want Diane Abbott doing the budgetary maths. However if there were to be a 2nd vote with the same questioning (or similar ?? ) it would be interesting to see what kind swing has occurred over the last 18 months.

I would still vote for Brexit.

Jul 9, 2018 5:11pm

Quoting Guest

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Sorry to interrupt this party political debate with a comment of interest to the 90% of FF visitors who are traders here, But Its interesting that when Davis resigned ..GBP rallied.. and when BJohnson resigned GBP fell almost 100 beeps. Anyone got any theories on this that may improve our understanding of the political dynamic of the current UK political crisis, on market price.

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Davis has always been an outsider wit marginal influence within his own party, whereas Johnson has been coached to become May's replacement. The indisputable fact that he is a clown speaks volumes about the quality of real powers behind the British political class.

Jul 13, 2018 8:01am

Quoting Wayne2401

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{quote} I keep asking for his evidence- strangely quiet.

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A Swansong post probably as most of my buddies and guys I follow are revoked. To support your question here a close friend of mine in the military(navy) was away for pretty much most of the campaign. I can't remember exactly when he returned but it was prety near just before voting day. (maybe a week) The conversation was as follows.
Me " I bet you had a few heated debates down the messdeck on the refurrendum. Anyone play the devils advocate arguing remain?"
Him "Nope we are all out", Thus ended the conversation on the referendum.
It was a small ships company I refer to but I severely doubt the russians could have got to them at sea.
Right thats my bit said I'm off to burn some books on stuff I don't agree with. Koran? Bible? maybe both.....

Jul 9, 2018 9:19am

Come on Mogg - take over the reins and sort EU nonsense.

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Jul 9, 2018 9:38am

Wow, what a Circus is going on as Theresa May addresses the House of Commons right now.

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Jul 9, 2018 1:34pm

Quoting Exodus

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{quote} We can't just leave, there are commitments that we have to honour otherwise things could get a bit tetchy. That aside, the numbers and the unravelling of them and the hyperbole of all parties had nothing to do with the voting intentions of a number of voters. So a second referendum would be an interesting reveal, perhaps.

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Of course we can just leave and honour any commitments that maybe binding.
Second vote -what would that vote be on??

Jul 9, 2018 1:37pm

Quoting Gatsby

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The only option now is a second referendum ! If the vote is out again then at least everyone will know what to expect which is something they were not told on the first ill informed propaganda of the 1st referendum . My belief is that there would be a 2/3 in favor to stay. In totally or out totally it is as simply as that.

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Perhaps you missed it - we had a vote, there was a majority to leave.
What will your second referendum be on ??

Jul 9, 2018 5:08pm

Quoting TraderTero

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"May said that Britain would not look to extend Article 50, the notice of intention to leave the EU, and that British people wanted the government to deliver Brexit rather than voting again on the deal. " How exactly does she know that British people don't want to vote again on the deal? Was this asked in conjunction with the 2016 referendum? Has there been a referendum asking the people if they want a second referendum? However, there are polls like this: http://www.itv.com/news/2018-06-05/poll-records-new-high-in-number-of-voters-saying-brexit-is-wrong/...

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Have you actually read what you have written? "Has there been a referendum asking the people if they want a second referendum? " A referendum to ask if they want another one?? What then, another referendum to ask if they want a fourth, do you think people will tire of attempting to run the country with by your weekly referendums.Please pose a sane question that is worth addressing.

Jul 10, 2018 3:24am

Quoting TraderTero

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{quote} Not well informed because even the politicians didn't know and hardly know now what brexit would actually mean. Voters were also directly lied during the campaign and there was Russian meddling. In reality a huge number of people had no idea what they were voting about but I cannot blame them as the issue is too difficult for the common man to understand. That's why UK has a parliamentary system, people vote for MPs so that they can make the difficult decisions on their behalf. Not so that the MP's throw the ball back to voters when the...

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You have completely contradicted yourself - First you state we should have a referendum, then another, now you state that our elected MPs should make the decisions on our behalf.

Jul 10, 2018 3:53am

Quoting fxsport

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{quote} That's a pretty condescending statement don't you think? Actually I think that the entire Brexit concept was simple - self governance vs. submitting control to foreign nationals. Interestingly enough I DO agree with you about the purpose of parliament. So the people have spoken - leave the EU. Now it's up to the government to "sweat the details" The problem is the government doesn't want to do the will of the people.

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Exactly, spot on, however,condescending Tero does not want parliament to get on with its job- quoting TeroTrader " Has there been a referendum asking the people if they want a second referendum? "

Jul 10, 2018 4:40am

Quoting TraderTero

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{quote} Wayne, once again you seem to be missing my point and I explained this to you before on another thread. I oppose such referendums as people tend to vote about other issues and/or the issue is too complicated for them to understand and especially in this case what exactly a hard brexit would mean for the country economically etc. Since the government decided to have the first one, it should should be only fair to have a second one after the negotiation result is clear. I'm not saying that there there should be a referendum about a second...

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Of course I am missing your point because , one point completely contradicts another point you make. Now you deny saying things you stated in writing on here.
You have no evidence that Russia effected the outcome of the vote, yet you keep asserting that - show us some evidence.

Jul 10, 2018 6:30am

Quoting fxsport

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{quote} OMG! Mark your calendars! Barkie and I agree on something!

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It is a momentous occasion, I am still awaiting my moment,I am unsure I shall ever experience such a moment.

Jul 10, 2018 10:04am

Quoting Ghostship

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{quote} Are these facts or propaganda. Where do you get the 10-20% drop from? Who has been financed by Russia? People in the street who want out? Do you think they need Russia's money to tell them that being in the EUSSR is flawed. You should give the man on the street credit for seeing through all the shite

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So now the man on street knows better than the experts who spend all their time researching and studying these issues. I guess there is no reason for anyone to educate themselves anymore as the uneducated know better, especially the uneducated politicians. Enough with the experts.

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Jul 10, 2018 2:05pm

Quoting TraderTero

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{quote} I was just referring to a couple of articles. I'm sorry if facts insult you. I wasn't personally insulting you in anyway. It's interesting how the NHS lie makes the brexiteers so mad. I guess they know that the claim was a big contributor to end result. Needs to be remembered that the result was quite tight.

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The result was quite tight? What does that mean. So if the world cup final is won 1-nil, it should be replayed? Or the winners were , according to you, old, stupid and mislead.

Jul 10, 2018 2:25pm

Quoting jen101

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{quote} Of course! Leave voters were so dumb, no other reason for it! Insults are pure logic! Gets you far!

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It is all the Remoaners have for their persuasion, insults and the old chestnut of 350bil for NHS, which they love to regurgitate continually. Never mind- making our own laws, controlling our own borders, trading with the rest of world on our terms, regaining control of our fishing waters, deciding our own immigration policies. Oh and not paying 250 mil per week to prop up other countries. ( 250 mil per week, although not 350 mil,is better to have, than not)

Jul 13, 2018 8:38am

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{quote} A Swansong post probably as most of my buddies and guys I follow are revoked. To support your question here a close friend of mine in the military(navy) was away for pretty much most of the campaign. I can't remember exactly when he returned but it was prety near just before voting day. (maybe a week) The conversation was as follows. Me " I bet you had a few heated debates down the messdeck on the refurrendum. Anyone play the devils advocate arguing remain?" Him "Nope we are all out", Thus ended the conversation on the...

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Interesting story. I am unsure how the Russians got to the rest of us onshore either? Such pathetic nonsense from sore losers.
Do not forget to burn the Remoaners book on the advantages of the EU, if you have finished colouring it in.
Don t go Me Old UK, stay and give us more of your Banter!

Jul 9, 2018 9:11am

Good, I was waiting for a pull back to bid some GBP...

Jul 9, 2018 9:16am

Soo bad for GBP becouse of many resons ,uncertainabout may gov performance etc ....

Jul 9, 2018 9:18am

Quoting JakubSzalaFX

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Good for GBP

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EVEN if its good as you said, it takes time to recover from this wham Lol

Jul 9, 2018 8:01pm

Quoting FX-Syndicate

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It seems that everything points to civil war in U.K.

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Hey the "original" Civil War was GREAT!

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Jul 9, 2018 1:44pm

Poor poor May..your stay at No.10 is now more uncertain than ever

Jul 10, 2018 10:01am

Quoting TraderTero

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{quote} For starters: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-hard-no-trade-deal-agreement-leave-eu-single-market-uk-economy-cost-400-billion-pounds-a7994731.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_Brexit_referendum https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-investigation/uk-investigates-brexit-campaign-funding-amid-speculation-of-russian-meddling-idUSKBN1D157I https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/10/russian-influence-brexit-vote-detailed-us-senate-report

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I would love to hear how you think Russia influenced my vote

Jul 9, 2018 9:24am

Instead of this slow death spiral, we need Moggs, Gove and Johnson to bring the UK to it's knees and shoot itself in the head.

Jul 9, 2018 9:12am

Quoting JakubSzalaFX

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Good for GBP

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What are you talking about? Half of the Tory MPs lost Theresa May.

Jul 9, 2018 2:20pm

"May said that Britain would not look to extend Article 50, the notice of intention to leave the EU, and that British people wanted the government to deliver Brexit rather than voting again on the deal. "

How exactly does she know that British people don't want to vote again on the deal? Was this asked in conjunction with the 2016 referendum? Has there been a referendum asking the people if they want a second referendum?
However, there are polls like this: http://www.itv.com/news/2018-06-05/poll-records-new-high-in-number-of-voters-saying-brexit-is-wrong/

Jul 9, 2018 6:30pm

Quoting Gatsby

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The only option now is a second referendum ! If the vote is out again then at least everyone will know what to expect which is something they were not told on the first ill informed propaganda of the 1st referendum . My belief is that there would be a 2/3 in favor to stay. In totally or out totally it is as simply as that.

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....so you too love the way the EU gets things done and that is if the people don't want something ask again and if still not the right answer ASK AGAIN and AGAIN....what a fine piece of democracy that is and here most of us the live elsewhere and in my case "downunder" thought the Brits were made of something strong, of course you were back in days past but not now....

Jul 10, 2018 1:21am

Quoting Wayne2401

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{quote} Have you actually read what you have written? "Has there been a referendum asking the people if they want a second referendum? " A referendum to ask if they want another one?? What then, another referendum to ask if they want a fourth, do you think people will tire of attempting to run the country with by your weekly referendums.Please pose a sane question that is worth addressing.

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Did you read May's quote and my question regarding it. I will repeat, how does May know that UK people don't want a second referendum?

Jul 10, 2018 9:50am

Quoting Ghostship

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{quote} Are these facts or propaganda. Where do you get the 10-20% drop from? Who has been financed by Russia? People in the street who want out? Do you think they need Russia's money to tell them that being in the EUSSR is flawed. You should give the man on the street credit for seeing through all the shite

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For starters:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-hard-no-trade-deal-agreement-leave-eu-single-market-uk-economy-cost-400-billion-pounds-a7994731.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_interference_in_the_2016_Brexit_referendum
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-investigation/uk-investigates-brexit-campaign-funding-amid-speculation-of-russian-meddling-idUSKBN1D157I
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jan/10/russian-influence-brexit-vote-detailed-us-senate-report

Jul 10, 2018 9:54am

Quoting fxsport

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{quote} 1. TraderTero - Where in the world do you get your 10-20% drop in GDP estimate? Facts please. Also once the England leaves the EU are you telling me that the EU will be charging people to travel to Europe? Yes there will be borders but......When I travel to the EU from the USA I'm not charged at the border, so why should the people of Great Britain? 2. Please stop with the Russian nonsense. Yes there was Russian propaganda, there has ALWAYS been. When THEN POTUS, Ronald Regan, traveled to Europe there were ENORMOUS crowds protesting the...

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I believe that there is a fee for the ESTA Visa. Russian interference is nonsense only to trolls.

Jul 10, 2018 11:57am

Quoting fxsport

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{quote} I'm glad you put up the references. Let's look at the one from the Independend shall we? According to the article's first two (2) paragraphs: "A hard Brexit with no trade deal will cost the economy Â£400bn by 2030, according to a new report. A study by Dutch banking and financial services company, Rabobank has found that leaving the single market without a trade agreement in place would cost up to 18 per cent of the UKâ€™s GDP growth by 2030, compared with remaining in the EU." The "drop" in GDP that you mentioned in...

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I admit my mistake there, however the cost would be significant:
Hugo Erken saying back in October that "a hard Brexit would cost the UK 18% of GDP growth until 2030 compared to a situation where the UK would continue its EU membership."

"In absolute terms, this comes down to a cumulative amount of £400bn, which is equal to £11,500 per British worker."

If people were asked would they be willing to pay £1000 extra in lost income every year to leave EU, I think many would have had second thoughts. Btw, that's a lot more than the payment per capita to EU per year.

https://nordic.businessinsider.com/how-government-leaked-brexit-economics-paper-compares-to-other-forecasts-2018-1?r=UK&IR=T

Jul 10, 2018 12:17pm

Quoting jen101

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{quote} Of course! Leave voters were so dumb, no other reason for it! Insults are pure logic! Gets you far!

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I was just referring to a couple of articles. I'm sorry if facts insult you. I wasn't personally insulting you in anyway.
It's interesting how the NHS lie makes the brexiteers so mad. I guess they know that the claim was a big contributor to end result. Needs to be remembered that the result was quite tight.

Jul 10, 2018 3:13pm

Quoting Ghostship

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{quote} I would love to hear how you think Russia influenced my vote

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http://thehill.com/opinion/international/379183-russia-will-keep-attacking-britain-unless-brexit-meddling-is-handled

Impossible for me know how exactly you were influenced but I don't think that is so significant.

Jul 9, 2018 12:12pm

Now he can wear his jack-boots full time

Jul 9, 2018 11:06am

It seems that everything points to civil war in U.K.

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Jul 9, 2018 9:18am

Pound got Pounded by 70 pips

Jul 9, 2018 9:20am

Quoting hkg_paul

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Now we know what happened on Friday.

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what happened?

Jul 9, 2018 9:25am

And I was about to go long on GBPUSD,

Jul 9, 2018 9:49am

thank god i was in a gbpusd sell lmao, wish i had a bigger position!

Jul 9, 2018 9:56am

Quoting tkayyaboi

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And I was about to go long on GBPUSD,

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may i ask what would make you want to take a position like that right now?

Jul 9, 2018 10:06am

Thank God am on bearish trend

Jul 9, 2018 10:18am

Quoting JakubSzalaFX

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Good for GBP

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....to sell of course, loving my short GBPAUD.

Jul 9, 2018 10:33am

Quoting rodlogan

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{quote} ....to sell of course, loving my short GBPAUD.

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Smart trade. Also GBPNZD is tanking down

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Jul 9, 2018 3:19pm

Sorry to interrupt this party political debate with a comment of interest to the 90% of FF visitors who are traders here,

But Its interesting that when Davis resigned ..GBP rallied.. and when BJohnson resigned GBP fell almost 100 beeps. Anyone got any theories on this that may improve our understanding of the political dynamic of the current UK political crisis, on market price.

Jul 10, 2018 6:09am

Wow 4000 interviewed and what god forsaken fishing port was that in :-)))))

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Jul 10, 2018 6:16am

Quoting Wayne2401

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{quote} Who needs another referendum - BREXIT SHOCK: Those wanting EU exit RISES nearly 15 percent since referendum - new poll THE number of British people who want to leave the EU has increased by nearly 15 percent since the Brexit vote in June 2016, a major annual survey has revealed The latest NatCen British Social Attitudes Survey questioned 3,988 at the end of last year on what they believe it is like to live in Britain and how they think the country is run. More than two thirds (36 percent) of interviewees now want to leave the EU - which...

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You try to copy-past what was was reported by "Express" and they try to use NatCet survey from end of 2017. The only NatCen with 3988 questioned at that time is "Why Turnout Increased in the 2017 General Election
And The Increase Did Not Help Labour". There is nothing in the document to backup what you written as the subject was quite different.
And 36% is not 2/3 is 1/3 which is decrease and not increase by 15%.

The more realistic surveys show that the number of people who want to remain increased. E.g. the referendum result was 52% (leave) to 48% (remain). The polls undertaken towards the end of 2016 by BMG Research and Survation was showing 51% to 49% (which is in line with referendum). Their polls taken between November 2017 and January 2018 show 48% (Leave) to 52% (Remain). The number wanting to remain increased even more recently as understanding of what brexit mean increased. But I would not go as far as you written that only 36% want to leave.

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