Menu

  • UK PM's office dismisses report ready to stay in customs union - Reuters

People must be very confused bamboozled and mentally drained by the media

Maybe that's the whole objective
it seems like, these rumors are self fulfilling prophecies.... in other words, these rumors are most likely true... I bet you that UK ultimately will decide to stay in the EU.... I have enough experience to spot these things...
Quoting brr001
it seems like, these rumors are self fulfilling prophecies.... in other words, these rumors are most likely true... I bet you that UK ultimately will decide to stay in the EU.... I have enough experience to spot these things...
The electorate voted to leave the EU so it is for Government to carry out the wish of the electorate. Many headwinds are being put in place to keep us in, but leave we will.
Quoting brr001
it seems like, these rumors are self fulfilling prophecies.... in other words, these rumors are most likely true... I bet you that UK ultimately will decide to stay in the EU.... I have enough experience to spot these things...
I think it is May's job to accept what EU wants and then deny publicly to calm down Brexiters.

It is not the first and not the last time she did it.
  •  Guest
  • | IP XX.XXX.112.109
Reuters have got nothing to worry about.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-thomsonreuters-ireland/thomson-reuters-to-move-forex-derivatives-to-ireland-from-london-due-to-brexit-idUSKCN1IG19L
  •  Guest
  • | IP XX.XX.125.41
Ultimately for the majority, Brexit will ultimately only succeed if Britain's economic interests are enhanced by the outcome and people are better off. Without access to the customs union there is some doubt being expressed about this outcome at all levels of informed economic opinion, international and domestic, particularly among UK industry and parliament. The medium term future for GBP has become increasingly sensitive the divergence between UK Government policy and this opinion climate, which suggests that continuing uncertainty will create a potentially volatile market for traders in the foreseeable future.
Lets admit it, it was one big mistake and politically driven referendum voting (The original drivers who drove Bexit are today either Jobless or Homeless and looking for income) no one was treated as a hero over Brexit, and not many on the main street took Brexit seriously as they thought it was a joke and nothing worry about since only a small minority is adding an irrelevant voice over Brexit. Everyone woke up one day to realize, OMG, its real !!!!! it should not be execution on electoral voting, rather, it should be a damage control, and stay within EU.... So, that the financial systems can operate smoothly once again...
Quoting brr001
Lets admit it, it was one big mistake and politically driven referendum voting (The original drivers who drove Bexit are today either Jobless or Homeless and looking for income) no one was treated as a hero over Brexit, and not many on the main street took Brexit seriously as they thought it was a joke and nothing worry about since only a small minority is adding an irrelevant voice over Brexit. Everyone woke up one day to realize, OMG, its real !!!!! it should not be execution on electoral voting, rather, it should be a damage control, and stay...
It may be portrayed as a mistake by the propaganda media, but to those of us who put our sovereignty, lawmaking, freedom to trade worldwide before the corrupt financial system, (which is crumbling anyway under it's own weight of debt), it's an exciting opportunity to rebuild and re govern ourselves for our own interest and not for the unelected few.

Do you really think that the people who voted for brexit are really out of a job or homeless? Where are you getting your info from. It's the jobless and homeless who never bothered to vote

It's the entrepreneurs who are driving brexit, because they are sick of unfavourable EU laws which only suit there own purpose
NO ghost not homeless / jobless but racist, stupid, narrow minded, thoughtless, etc etc. THIS MUST BE DONE QUICKLY as our country as well as a lot of EU countries need to move on from the Brexit distraction. I really fear this malaise will be dragged on much further than it ought. Maybe.... (a crazy suggestion) they (the EU) could move onto addressing the issues that brought about why the UK (which by comparison has a much smaller axe to grind than other EU countries) wanted to depart the club. A close Harmony with Europe I do want. I just do not see the point in having the set up as it is. I look at Brussels / the bureaucracy and the whole thing and just think white elephant.
The elites think we are stupid. They are in the main quite correct.
Quoting UKBanter
NO ghost not homeless / jobless but racist, stupid, narrow minded, thoughtless, etc etc. THIS MUST BE DONE QUICKLY as our country as well as a lot of EU countries need to move on from the Brexit distraction. I really fear this malaise will be dragged on much further than it ought. Maybe.... (a crazy suggestion) they (the EU) could move onto addressing the issues that brought about why the UK (which by comparison has a much smaller axe to grind than other EU countries) wanted to depart the club. A close Harmony with Europe I do want. I just do not...
What's racist and stupid about making your own decisions instead of unelected, undemocratic individuals who's only aim is to destroy the fabric of not only our country but other sovereign countries too. People who want to remain either have a short memory or can't see past the end of their nose
Go U.K.
Travelin music
http://www.hoopyfrood.co.uk/
Love them peeps.
T
Manage Your Money-or-You Will Manage to Lose It
Quoting Ghostship
{quote} What's racist and stupid about making your own decisions instead of unelected, undemocratic individuals who's only aim is to destroy the fabric of not only our country but other sovereign countries too. People who want to remain either have a short memory or can't see past the end of their nose
Some of the 'unelected' MEPs were UKIP, who were selected using a system of proportional representation.

So you need to get your facts straight and stop quoting guff from the Daily Express / Daily Heil.

Th plain fact is Camoron gave a binary vote to the (largely) THICK BRITISH PUBLIC due to pressure from his backbenchers.
Quoting UKBanter
NO ghost not homeless / jobless but racist, stupid, narrow minded, thoughtless, etc etc. THIS MUST BE DONE QUICKLY as our country as well as a lot of EU countries need to move on from the Brexit distraction. I really fear this malaise will be dragged on much further than it ought. Maybe.... (a crazy suggestion) they (the EU) could move onto addressing the issues that brought about why the UK (which by comparison has a much smaller axe to grind than other EU countries) wanted to depart the club. A close Harmony with Europe I do want. I just do not...
What is racist about immigration control, instead of uncontrolled immigration? What is stupid about not wanting to be ruled by an autocratic, unelected, undemocratic EU government? What is narrow-minded about wanting to attract talent from all over the World and develop free trade agreement Worldwide?
Quoting UnBearybull
{quote} Some of the 'unelected' MEPs were UKIP, who were selected using a system of proportional representation. So you need to get your facts straight and stop quoting guff from the Daily Express / Daily Heil. Th plain fact is Camoron gave a binary vote to the (largely) THICK BRITISH PUBLIC due to pressure from his backbenchers.
The EU Government is unelected and undemocratic
Brexit is not just about Europe it is a protest vote too about the great disparity of the class/wealth in the UK.

This vote result is very much the rich, London centric liberal elite vs the impoverished working classes, to a degree the Poor North vs Rich South.

When you are already poor with a bleak future, low wages and bad jobs, Brexit is seen as a way to change things. A way to stop the mass immigration that only benefits the rich by driving down wage and opportunity and get control back of your country. Brexit is the last hope to many people who believe any change is better than the whats being served up now.

With the comments in here it just reaffirms my decision to vote for Brexit was correct. From the Northern towns and working classes this is a big FU to all the liberal elites.
Quoting UnBearybull
{quote} Some of the 'unelected' MEPs were UKIP, who were selected using a system of proportional representation. So you need to get your facts straight and stop quoting guff from the Daily Express / Daily Heil. Th plain fact is Camoron gave a binary vote to the (largely) THICK BRITISH PUBLIC due to pressure from his backbenchers.
You didn't answer the question. That's a remainer trait
https://youtu.be/a80JzMDK8Uo
Nice one crazy dad
The elites think we are stupid. They are in the main quite correct.
Quoting UKBanter
Nice one crazy dad
YW
You have more friends over here than you might realize.
Personally, I think PM May might have a lot of "Thatcher" in her.
T
Manage Your Money-or-You Will Manage to Lose It
Quoting crazydad
{quote} YW You have more friends over here than you might realize. Personally, I think PM May might have a lot of "Thatcher" in her. T
Sadly, not enough. Thatcher would have had her hand down Barnier's trousers months ago, grabbed hold of his crown jewels, squeezed hard and said, "we're not going to hurt each other, are we"
Quoting crazydad
{quote} YW You have more friends over here than you might realize. Personally, I think PM May might have a lot of "Thatcher" in her. T
Unfortunately I have it from a source i trust without question she is not the real deal.
The elites think we are stupid. They are in the main quite correct.
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} Sadly, not enough. Thatcher would have had her hand down Barnier's trousers months ago, grabbed hold of his crown jewels, squeezed hard and said, "we're not going to hurt each other, are we"
May and thatcher are similar...both are otherworldly ugly and disgusting and both would get a clean upper cut if they tried touching me
Quoting UKBanter
{quote} Unfortunately I have it from a source i trust without question she is not the real deal.
Obviously I don't live there. Maybe just wishful thinking on my part.
The US finally thru off obama and his "anointed" successor.
My prayers are with the UK.

T
Manage Your Money-or-You Will Manage to Lose It
Quoting Ghostship
{quote} It may be portrayed as a mistake by the propaganda media, but to those of us who put our sovereignty, lawmaking, freedom to trade worldwide before the corrupt financial system, (which is crumbling anyway under it's own weight of debt), it's an exciting opportunity to rebuild and re govern ourselves for our own interest and not for the unelected few. Do you really think that the people who voted for brexit are really out of a job or homeless? Where are you getting your info from. It's the jobless and homeless who never bothered to vote It's...
Well said Ghosty.
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} Sadly, not enough. Thatcher would have had her hand down Barnier's trousers months ago, grabbed hold of his crown jewels, squeezed hard and said, "we're not going to hurt each other, are we"
She didn't take any crap from anybody(RIP).
T
Manage Your Money-or-You Will Manage to Lose It
Quoting UnBearybull
{quote} Some of the 'unelected' MEPs were UKIP, who were selected using a system of proportional representation. So you need to get your facts straight and stop quoting guff from the Daily Express / Daily Heil. Th plain fact is Camoron gave a binary vote to the (largely) THICK BRITISH PUBLIC due to pressure from his backbenchers.
Are YOU one of the British public?
Quoting saruhn
{quote} May and thatcher are similar...both are otherworldly ugly and disgusting and both would get a clean upper cut if they tried touching me
I don't think either have ever been that desperate
Quoting brr001
Lets admit it, it was one big mistake and politically driven referendum voting (The original drivers who drove Bexit are today either Jobless or Homeless and looking for income) no one was treated as a hero over Brexit, and not many on the main street took Brexit seriously as they thought it was a joke and nothing worry about since only a small minority is adding an irrelevant voice over Brexit. Everyone woke up one day to realize, OMG, its real !!!!! it should not be execution on electoral voting, rather, it should be a damage control, and stay...
if your not joking around and you actually believe these statements then you are so disconnected from reality it's dangerous

1(The original drivers who drove Bexit are today either Jobless or Homeless and looking for income)
2(not many on the main street took Brexit seriously as they thought it was a joke and nothing worry about since only a small minority is adding an irrelevant voice over Brexit.)
3(it should not be execution on electoral voting, rather, it should be a damage control, and stay)
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} Sadly, not enough. Thatcher would have had her hand down Barnier's trousers months ago, grabbed hold of his crown jewels, squeezed hard and said, "we're not going to hurt each other, are we"
As they say - When you have got them by the balls, their hearts and minds shall follow. Oh for Maggie now!
Quoting Wayne2401
{quote} As they say - When you have got them by the balls, their hearts and minds shall follow. Oh for Maggie now!
She had bigger cahonas than most male politicians then and now
Quoting Ghostship
https://youtu.be/a80JzMDK8Uo
Seems a good idea to take the 10 year free tariffs and trade with the rest of the world as well- Take that Barnier- Love it !
Quoting Wayne2401
{quote} Seems a good idea to take the 10 year free tariffs and trade with the rest of the world as well- Take that Barnier- Love it !
Nothing gets past the Mogg
Quoting Ghostship
{quote} Nothing gets past the Mogg
His forensic approach to everything is actually quite refreshing. When he says something he actually does know what he is talking about. IMO He should be our PM but I doubt that will come to pass...
Quoting brr001
Lets admit it, it was one big mistake and politically driven referendum voting (The original drivers who drove Bexit are today either Jobless or Homeless and looking for income) no one was treated as a hero over Brexit, and not many on the main street took Brexit seriously as they thought it was a joke and nothing worry about since only a small minority is adding an irrelevant voice over Brexit. Everyone woke up one day to realize, OMG, its real !!!!! it should not be execution on electoral voting, rather, it should be a damage control, and stay...

Quoting brr001
Lets admit it, it was one big mistake and politically driven referendum voting (The original drivers who drove Bexit are today either Jobless or Homeless and looking for income) no one was treated as a hero over Brexit, and not many on the main street took Brexit seriously as they thought it was a joke and nothing worry about since only a small minority is adding an irrelevant voice over Brexit. Everyone woke up one day to realize, OMG, its real !!!!! it should not be execution on electoral voting, rather, it should be a damage control, and stay...
Your comment "not many on the main street took Brexit seriously" only indicates how little understanding you have about what led to this vote and the pressure the electorate put on the politicians to have it. The turn out for the vote was 72.2% of the electorate. That is 0.1% less than the highest turnout in recent history
May is useless. Cameron resigned because he didn't believe in Brexit, to be replaced by May - who didn't believe in it either!!!
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} I don't think either have ever been that desperate
You dont think those two old disgusting hags were ever desperate? THEY STAY DESPERATE... Go check yourself before you wreck yourself young green grasshopper
Quoting saruhn
{quote} You dont think those two old disgusting hags were ever desperate? THEY STAY DESPERATE... Go check yourself before you wreck yourself young green grasshopper
It would appear you have an issue with capable female political leaders
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} It would appear you have an issue with capable female political leaders
Just one of his issues, imo
T
Manage Your Money-or-You Will Manage to Lose It
Quoting crazydad
{quote} Just one of his issues, imo T
I didn't want to mention his repressed Oedipus complex
1. The whole Brexit so far has been an absolute shitshow. Rees-Mogg knows that and will use it to lever his own personal monetary and political career goals.

2. UK WILL be damaged by the eventual (LOL) Brexit in Name Only.

3. The Maybot is toothless, who has shown repeatedly to be a powerless, useless old hag, who will grip like grim death to the premiership.

Good Luck.
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} Your comment "not many on the main street took Brexit seriously" only indicates how little understanding you have about what led to this vote and the pressure the electorate put on the politicians to have it. The turn out for the vote was 72.2% of the electorate. That is 0.1% less than the highest turnout in recent history
The high turnout was the Novelty factor. Most Brexiters have a very low level of educational achievement and believe The S*n, Daily express and other papers own by the "elites" you keep ranting on about.
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} She had bigger cahonas than most male politicians then and now
She was also EVIL.
Quoting UnBearybull
{quote} The high turnout was the Novelty factor. Most Brexiters have a very low level of educational achievement and believe The S*n, Daily express and other papers own by the "elites" you keep ranting on about.
My son's university educated friend voted to Remain, because she thought that "NANDOS" would have to leave the UK if we voted for Brexit. Higher education is no guarantee of intelligence and it would seem that the uneducated seem to know more about the EU, than the likes of yourself.

Those who voted for Brexit, voted for return of UK democracy, sovereignty of UK parliament, supremacy of UK law, control of UK borders & rejection of EU. Those who voted for Brexit, voted to reject the unaccountable, undemocratic and unelected EU government. The UK electorate have never voted to be ruled by the EU
Quoting UnBearybull
{quote} She was also EVIL.
Please provide supporting data
Quoting UnBearybull
{quote} The high turnout was the Novelty factor. Most Brexiters have a very low level of educational achievement and believe The S*n, Daily express and other papers own by the "elites" you keep ranting on about.
Wishful thinking?

Why don't you write a constructive argument for being ruled by an unelected government that wastes so much money, it's own team of auditors has never been able to sign off it's accounts in it's whole history. I think if you check with the serious fraud office, it's illegal to pay taxpayers money to a fraudulent organisation
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} My son's university educated friend voted to Remain, because she thought that "NANDOS" would have to leave the UK if we voted for Brexit. ..
I don't believe you.
Gone to a better place
Quoting smikester
{quote} I don't believe you.
Don't believe this one either then.

Under WTO rules, if a country is in negotiations for a free trade agreement, its existing trade terms can remain in place for up to 10 years
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} It would appear you have an issue with capable female political leaders
capable? lmfao
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} I didn't want to mention his repressed Oedipus complex
one srs question.. how did you become so smart? worked hard or just simply born with it?
Quoting saruhn
{quote} one srs question.. how did you become so smart? worked hard or just simply born with it?
I don’t have the time or the crayons to explain that to you.
It's always the same everywhere isn't it?

Remainers making broad sweeping statements, claiming everyone who voted Brexit must have been some kind of uneducated neanderthal, while in the same breath condemning narrow minded attitudes.

lol, this country. *rolls eyes*

I don't really see why the nation is still hung up on the decision, I can see reason on both sides for the decisions made however, the whole thing is far from a one-sided argument, just admit it to yourself. What really matters now though, is how the result is being handled and I think both sides will agree, it is an absolute shambles.
Quoting UnBearybull
{quote} She was also EVIL.
In what way was Maggie evil?
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} I don’t have the time or the crayons to explain that to you.
awww ok, i much rather prefer someone explaining something to me with a paint brush instead of a crayon.
Quoting Wayne2401
{quote} In what way was Maggie evil?
She gave orders to kill 323 mariners, who were complying with a belligerent and warmongering, EVIL, bare-faced liar called Thatcher.
I hope she's nice and warm now in flame, the nutty old batt.
Quoting Ghostship
{quote} Wishful thinking? Why don't you write a constructive argument for being ruled by an unelected government that wastes so much money, it's own team of auditors has never been able to sign off it's accounts in it's whole history. I think if you check with the serious fraud office, it's illegal to pay taxpayers money to a fraudulent organisation
Most of the people I know who voted leave are largely educated to level 3 (pre-GCSE level/O Level). I can only go on those I talk to or read about. Many left school at 15 or 14 and that is what was unfair as they didn't know what they were voting for/against, on issues too complicated for the vehicle of a binary vote.
Quoting UnBearybull
{quote} She gave orders to kill 323 mariners, who were complying with a belligerent and warmongering, EVIL, bare-faced liar called Thatcher. I hope she's nice and warm now in flame, the nutty old batt.
What are you referring to?
Quoting saruhn
{quote} awww ok, i much rather prefer someone explaining something to me with a paint brush instead of a crayon.
Whatever takes your fancy
Quoting UnBearybull
{quote} She gave orders to kill 323 mariners, who were complying with a belligerent and warmongering, EVIL, bare-faced liar called Thatcher. I hope she's nice and warm now in flame, the nutty old batt.
Following the Argentine military invasion of the Falklands, the Conqueror's sinking the light cruiser General Belgrano on 2 May. The attack ended Argentina’s threat by sea. Argentina start the war, Argentina is responsible
Quoting UnBearybull
{quote} Most of the people I know who voted leave are largely educated to level 3 (pre-GCSE level/O Level). I can only go on those I talk to or read about. Many left school at 15 or 14 and that is what was unfair as they didn't know what they were voting for/against, on issues too complicated for the vehicle of a binary vote.
Please provide empirical evidence that those who voted to leave the EU, did not know what they were voting for. Please also provide empirical evidence that a level 3 education is required to fully understand the EU.
Quoting UnBearybull
{quote} Most of the people I know who voted leave are largely educated to level 3 (pre-GCSE level/O Level). I can only go on those I talk to or read about. Many left school at 15 or 14 and that is what was unfair as they didn't know what they were voting for/against, on issues too complicated for the vehicle of a binary vote.
Quoting UnBearybull
{quote} Most of the people I know who voted leave are largely educated to level 3 (pre-GCSE level/O Level). I can only go on those I talk to or read about. Many left school at 15 or 14 and that is what was unfair as they didn't know what they were voting for/against, on issues too complicated for the vehicle of a binary vote.
What?
Quoting Ghostship
Hidden
Or any facts or data to support their assertions
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} Don't believe this one either then. Under WTO rules, if a country is in negotiations for a free trade agreement, its existing trade terms can remain in place for up to 10 years
It's OK. I just realised what she was saying to you. I met someone last year who said Brexit would mean we would "get our A & E back". She was completely serious. She believed the Boris Johnson.s devious and bogus theory that £350 million a week could go to the NHS. I wonder how many voters were misled by that?
Gone to a better place
Quoting UnBearybull
{quote} Most of the people I know who voted leave are largely educated to level 3 (pre-GCSE level/O Level). I can only go on those I talk to or read about. Many left school at 15 or 14 and that is what was unfair as they didn't know what they were voting for/against, on issues too complicated for the vehicle of a binary vote.
I understood it was illegal to leave school as such an age. Maybe you should widen the circle of people you know and talk with, then you maybe more enlightened, enlightened to the whole sphere of peoples that voted. I have personally found no one who says they did not understand the vote, Remainers and Brexiters alike.
Quoting UnBearybull
{quote} She gave orders to kill 323 mariners, who were complying with a belligerent and warmongering, EVIL, bare-faced liar called Thatcher. I hope she's nice and warm now in flame, the nutty old batt.
Is that supposed to be your justification for your insults? We were at war. What do you say about the Junta, with reference to our dead and wounded? What would you have the leader of Great Britain do, send a lavender scented noted, politely requesting they back away in their own time?
Quoting smikester
{quote} It's OK. I just realised what she was saying to you. I met someone last year who said Brexit would mean we would "get our A & E back". She was completely serious. She believed the Boris Johnson.s devious and bogus theory that £350 million a week could go to the NHS. I wonder how many voters were misled by that?
How many of the British electorate are being misled by the astronomical divorce bill. Under the Lisbon treaty, there is no obligation to pay a penny of your or my money to the over subscribed EU coffers. Nor is there any constitutional requirement. The money saved from our contributions will filter back into our economy for the best purpose deemed necessary as opposed to building the private Picasso collection in the EU Parliament and Junckers extravagant wine collection
Quoting Ghostship
{quote} How many of the British electorate are being misled by the astronomical divorce bill. Under the Lisbon treaty, there is no obligation to pay a penny of your or my money to the over subscribed EU coffers. Nor is there any constitutional requirement. The money saved from our contributions will filter back into our economy for the best purpose deemed necessary as opposed to building the private Picasso collection in the EU Parliament and Junckers extravagant wine collection
Then they shall be running around grabbing monies from all the members of their flawed club, to make up for the missing British contributions, in order to fund their nonsense.
Quoting smikester
{quote} It's OK. I just realised what she was saying to you. I met someone last year who said Brexit would mean we would "get our A & E back". She was completely serious. She believed the Boris Johnson.s devious and bogus theory that £350 million a week could go to the NHS. I wonder how many voters were misled by that?
Read the sign on the bus, and once you fully understand it, come back to me
Attached Image
Quoting smikester
{quote} It's OK. I just realised what she was saying to you. I met someone last year who said Brexit would mean we would "get our A & E back". She was completely serious. She believed the Boris Johnson.s devious and bogus theory that £350 million a week could go to the NHS. I wonder how many voters were misled by that?
If only the electorate knew the true cost to the UK of EU membership before the referendum
Attached Image (click to enlarge)
Click to Enlarge Name: EU_membership_-_the_true_cost.png Size: 101 KB
Quoting Ghostship
{quote} What?
Too much wacky baccie methinks.
Quoting UnBearybull
{quote} She gave orders to kill 323 mariners, who were complying with a belligerent and warmongering, EVIL, bare-faced liar called Thatcher. I hope she's nice and warm now in flame, the nutty old batt.
The vast majority of the Falklands vets have still a high opinion of Mrs T and bear NO malice to the Argentine people. It is a shame their country is run by the type of governance that makes our lot look premier league. I speak as someone who knows what the inside of a warship looks like.
The elites think we are stupid. They are in the main quite correct.
This " trade deal" business is a nonsense. At present, only12% of our trade is with the EU, so why should we be shackled to a minor trading partner, being subject to their terms, when the majority of our trade is elsewhere. The USA, China and Russia all trade with the EU without such agreements. It's time we told Barnier and company au revoir, hopefully this pussy footing will set up the Mogg to become PM
Intersting Dev
March 29th....... best slap in for the day off.
The elites think we are stupid. They are in the main quite correct.
having your cake and eating it too?
  •  Guest
  • | IP XX.XX.125.41
This thread is evidence of the extent of the political divide in UK.
Unfortunately no enterprise be it a nation or or lesser entity can prosper with such fundamental division.
I fear history will mark this crisis as a very sad and damaging episode for a great country.
For those of us who trade, the volatility it pressages for GBP presents an opportunity.
But for ordinary people its looking like a no win whoever wins.
And the lesson for democracy? Perhaps that 52/48 is not a mandate for fundamental change of this scale.. and with such collateral consequence, in any organisation, be it a company or a state. Rather (as Nigel Farage acknowledged in a recorded interview two years ago..) its a DONT KNOW.
In US people are being divided into Democrats and Republicans both are two sides of the same coin. Then subdivided to Liberals, conservatives ....... keep the people busy fighting each other by calling each other names such as libtard, bla bla bla then religious divisions such as antichrist bla bla bla.

That's how the top .0001% rules. The system works very well so far by giving the illusion of self-determination letting people to vote two sides of the same coin. Even loss of popular votes still win the election.

I saw an interview of the Chinese kids about western democracy, to put it politely it's very confusing for them.
  •  Guest
  • | IP XX.XX.125.41
To clarify my above post (82) refers specifically to Brexit, not the normal exercise of the political electoral process.
Quoting Guest
This thread is evidence of the extent of the political divide in UK. Unfortunately no enterprise be it a nation or or lesser entity can prosper with such fundamental division. I fear history will mark this crisis as a very sad and damaging episode for a great country. For those of us who trade, the volatility it pressages for GBP presents an opportunity. But for ordinary people its looking like a no win whoever wins. And the lesson for democracy? Perhaps that 52/48 is not a mandate for fundamental change of this scale.. and with such collateral...
I think what has really transpired is the political divide between the unelected EU government/ House of Lords and the wish of the people. After so much negative press both pre and post Brexit, also from our treasury, the critics must finally be running out of ammunition to justify their claims. In my mind, most of the political class have hung themselves for who they are, a conniving , corrupt bunch of criminals who only serve their own self interest.

If Brexit causes a big shake up in government, then it bring it on. Hopefully we will have a government who puts the country at heart and not the few who are determined to destroy us.
Quoting Ghostship
{quote} I think what has really transpired is the political divide between the unelected EU government/ House of Lords and the wish of the people. After so much negative press both pre and post Brexit, also from our treasury, the critics must finally be running out of ammunition to justify their claims. In my mind, most of the political class have hung themselves for who they are, a conniving , corrupt bunch of criminals who only serve their own self interest. If Brexit causes a big shake up in government, then it bring it on. Hopefully we will...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CP9AGCSfOm8&t=137s
What's interesting Dev is that all the brainwashed MEP'S are reading from a script, and not speaking their own minds
Quoting Ghostship
What's interesting Dev is that all the brainwashed MEP'S are reading from a script, and not speaking their own minds
MEP's get a very generous salary and perks for a cushy job. Self preservation at work do as your masters tell you
  •  Guest
  • | IP XX.XXX.0.47
the whole issue is to be decided by the house of peers now as may looks on. so just wait, ok
Quoting Guest
the whole issue is to be decided by the house of peers now as may looks on. so just wait, ok
May 'to appoint new peers' in wake of Brexit defeats in Lords

https://news.sky.com/story/may-to-appoint-new-peers-in-wake-of-brexit-defeats-in-lords-11377096
Quoting el_duende
{quote} MEP's get a very generous salary and perks for a cushy job. Self preservation at work do as your masters tell you
And a very large brown envelope from George Soros's Open Society
Quoting Ghostship
{quote} And a very large brown envelope from George Soros's Open Society
Farage - Tell us about your direct and indirect connections (including meetings and funding) with Soros and the connections (including meetings and funding) of the 226 EU friends of Soros.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6uCGuVXBwo
Quoting Devauxt
Hidden
Perhaps an approach might be to pair them up, so each prospective MP gets a prospective Peer running mate, and so they get voted in/out together. The Upper house reflects the Lower in its make-up, but while the commoner might be one with 'political aspirations', the peer should bring something more substantial?
They should all swear allegiance to Britain and the betterment thereof. Any peer being caught doing otherwise, should be hung from the nearest lamppost.
Quoting Ghostship
They should all swear allegiance to Britain and the betterment thereof. Any peer being caught doing otherwise, should be hung from the nearest lamppost.
Fighting Talk.
Of course we could borrow the French remedy since we are still in the EU. I'm sure they would't mind?
  •  Guest
  • | IP XX.XXX.62.252
stuff all this political sh*t, be patriotic and watch the important stuff down the road

https://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/SuperRugby/shark-tank-to-screen-royal-wedding-20180519
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} Read the sign on the bus, and once you fully understand it, come back to me {image}
Point me at rhetoric and lies, why don't you? Here are some facts. Remember? Something you are always demanding, but not giving.


Attached Image (click to enlarge)
Click to Enlarge Name: ukeueconomy.PNG Size: 58 KB
Gone to a better place
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} Read the sign on the bus, and once you fully understand it, come back to me {image}
"once you fully understand it"

You are a piece of work are you not?

You should be pulled up for Code of Conduct. Do you fully understand that?
Gone to a better place
Quoting Ken A
People must be very confused bamboozled and mentally drained by the media Maybe that's the whole objective
Not really. It seems as though we are being educated in what it means to be part of a regressive, inward looking, old fashioned, tiny island with delusions of Empire.

As we leave the EU, in a competive world, the braying nationalists from Russia and the USA are applauding us, but only because it is damaging to the EU - they couldn't care less about the UK, or its people.
Gone to a better place
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CP9AGCSfOm8&t=137s

Is the narrator Russian?
Gone to a better place
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} Farage - Tell us about your direct and indirect connections (including meetings and funding) with Soros and the connections (including meetings and funding) of the 226 EU friends of Soros. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6uCGuVXBwo
The fraudster who got himself democratically voted into the European Parliament, who then proceeded to tell us it is undemocratic.
Gone to a better place
Quoting smikester
{quote} The fraudster who got himself democratically voted into the European Parliament, who then proceeded to tell us it is undemocratic.
It's the EU government which is undemocratic, not the MEP'S.

Anybody who disagrees with the line of the EU government is either ignored or totally squashed. That's not democratic.

I still haven't heard from any pro EU people why we should be controlled by unelected, foreign bureaucrats. Instead of just slagging off those who want independence , come up with a compelling argument to stay in.
This is the most informative presentation I have seen on the whole subject. Please note the presenters are neither thick, narrow minded or racist. Just afraid.


https://youtu.be/aR6IFAzyUuw
“Europe’s nations should be guided towards the superstate without their people understanding what is happening. This can be accomplished by successive steps, each disguised as having an economic purpose, but which will eventually and irreversibly lead to federation.” Jean Monnet
Quoting Ghostship
This is the most informative presentation I have seen on the whole subject. Please note the presenters are neither thick, narrow minded or racist. Just afraid. https://youtu.be/aR6IFAzyUuw
Just propaganda. Such drama! I got into the 1st 3 seconds of violins and mist over Westminster and switched it off.
Gone to a better place
Quoting Ken A
“Europe’s nations should be guided towards the superstate without their people understanding what is happening. This can be accomplished by successive steps, each disguised as having an economic purpose, but which will eventually and irreversibly lead to federation.” Jean Monnet
Hey Ken, did you live through two world wars, both starting in Europe?
Gone to a better place
Quoting smikester
{quote} The fraudster who got himself democratically voted into the European Parliament, who then proceeded to tell us it is undemocratic.
As usual, you attack the messenger and his character because you cannot provide data or evidence to disprove Farage's truths about the EU and Soros.

Since you are so interested in the character of the MEPs and EU leaders, here are a few that might interest you

HOW BELGIAN ANTI-GREECE HAWK VERHOFSTADT HID HIS FINANCIAL INTEREST IN GREEK ENERGY PRIVATISATIONS https://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2015/07...rivatisations/

Guy Verhofstadt linked to Paradise Papers company https://www.politico.eu/article/guy-...apers-company/

Jean-Claude Juncker blocked EU curbs on tax avoidance https://www.theguardian.com/business...ce-cables-show

EU-fantatic Jean-Claude Juncker was ousted as Luxembourg’s Prime Minister in 2013 after a string of wiretap allegations erupted into a full-blown spy scandal https://order-order.com/2017/12/13/j...pping-scandal/
Attached Image
Quoting smikester
{quote} Is the narrator Russian?
Dutch I believe, but it says more about you when you belittle the accent of the messenger, yet you are unable to counter the facts related by the messenger, with your own data or evidence.
Quoting smikester
{quote} "once you fully understand it" You are a piece of work are you not? You should be pulled up for Code of Conduct. Do you fully understand that?
Too funny for this hour of the morning
Quoting smikester
{quote} Point me at rhetoric and lies, why don't you? Here are some facts. Remember? Something you are always demanding, but not giving. {image}
Please provide evidence that the improvement of the UK economy was solely because of it's membership of the EU. Please also provide evidence that the UK will not trade with EU countries after Brexit.
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} Dutch I believe, but it says more about you when you belittle the accent of the messenger, yet you are unable to counter the facts related by the messenger, with your own data or evidence.
Did I belittle the accent of the narrator?
Gone to a better place
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} Please provide evidence that the improvement of the UK economy was solely because of it's membership of the EU. Please also provide evidence that the UK will not trade with EU countries after Brexit.
I already gave you this link. You told me the Financial Times was unpatriotic!

https://www.ft.com/content/202a60c0-cfd8-11e5-831d-09f7778e7377
Attached File(s)
File Type: doc eu benefits.doc   19 KB | 215 downloads
Gone to a better place
Quoting smikester
{quote} Did I belittle the accent of the narrator?
I'll leave it to the readers to form their own opinion
Quoting smikester
{quote} I already gave you this link. You told me the Financial Times was unpatriotic! https://www.ft.com/content/202a60c0-...d-09f7778e7377 {file}
What you have provided is not empirical evidence of the UK's economic improvement being a direct cause of EU membership. The piece is largely opinion rather than empirical data. I don't deny that joining the EEC has benefited the UKs economy. Membership of the EU has not been so beneficial over the last 10+ years

5% of UK businesses export to the EU yet 100% of UK businesses have to conform to EU regulations. EU massively increases red tape for 95% of UK businesses
Attached Image (click to enlarge)
Click to Enlarge Name: UK_GDP_2.png Size: 114 KB
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} 5% of UK businesses export to the EU yet 100% of UK businesses have to conform to EU regulations. EU massively increases red tape for 95% of UK businesses {image}
Nearly 50 percent of UK's exports go to the UK, 50-50-50-50-50 !

Emperical evidence for the bugger from Ireland !
Attached Image (click to enlarge)
Click to Enlarge Name: UK_exports_EU_vs_nonEU.jpg Size: 3 KB
Quoting barkie
{quote} Nearly 50 percent of UK's exports go to the UK, 50-50-50-50-50 ! Emperical evidence ! {image}
British exports to EU countries are 44% (declining) of all UK exports– equivalent to 12.1% of GDP. This does not take into account the Rotterdam effect. On leaving the EU, the UK will continue to trade with EU countries
Quoting barkie
{quote} Nearly 50 percent of UK's exports go to the UK, 50-50-50-50-50 ! Emperical evidence for the bugger from Ireland ! {image}
50% of UK exports go to the UK? That is terribly clever, exporting to ourselves. I am sure that must play havoc with the figures. Is that why your evidence is only empirical.
Quoting Wayne2401
{quote} 50% of UK exports go to the UK? That is terribly clever, exporting to ourselves. I am sure that must play havoc with the figures. Is that why your evidence is only empirical.

Quoting smikester
{quote} Just propaganda. Such drama! I got into the 1st 3 seconds of violins and mist over Westminster and switched it off.
That's funny, all the remainers I know have only got an attention span of 3 seconds as well.
Quoting smikester
{quote} Hey Ken, did you live through two world wars, both starting in Europe?
We all lost family in the wars to prevent what is trying to happen today, domination. The same goals, different tact
Quoting Ghostship
{quote} We all lost family in the wars to prevent what is trying to happen today, domination. The same goals, different tact
Precisely.
Wars that were fought to preserve sovereignty, independence, and way of life.
Personally, my fear is the EU "creep" will go global.
Come with me if you want to live....
Quoting Ill-b-back
{quote} Precisely. Wars that were fought to preserve sovereignty, independence, and way of life. Personally, my fear is the EU "creep" will go global.
UN and the EU in cahoots together
Attached Image (click to enlarge)
Click to Enlarge Name: Truth_EU_will_not_admit_2.png Size: 1.3 MB
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} UN and the EU in cahoots together {image}
Tx Dev the last line is quite accurate indeed.
The elites think we are stupid. They are in the main quite correct.
Quoting UKBanter
{quote} Tx Dev the last line is quite accurate indeed.
Quiet so. You should also check out the Barcelona Declaration

https://youtu.be/2c5MWkjBs2c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxBVxhFehKs
https://ec.europa.eu/research/iscp/pdf/policy/barcelona_declaration.pdf
Quoting UKBanter
{quote} Tx Dev the last line is quite accurate indeed.
Yeah, they are called realists now.
Gone to a better place
Quoting UKBanter
Hidden
Taking a swipe at muslim women. Where's jen101's "like"?
Gone to a better place
Quoting smikester
{quote} Taking a swipe at muslim women. Where's jen101's "like"?
Just Stating a fact which i checked before commenting.
I actually work with muslim women and its hard graft for them in a hard environment (factory). I was not intending to have a swipe at muslim women but i was FULLY having a swipe at our football team. Now WHERE'S MY LIKE JEN!!!!!!!!!!!
The elites think we are stupid. They are in the main quite correct.
Quoting Devauxt
Hidden
I don't need to disprove anything I don't have a problem with. I don't see the EU destroying democracy. In the UK the Law Lords are appointed by the Queen. Why are you not screaming about that?

In Germany, they have a form of proportional representation. Why should a German worry about the European commisioners?
Gone to a better place
Quoting Devauxt
Hidden
I need to know from where your argument is coming. Do you want the entire EU dismantled and borders put back in place? Why? Is it to prevent immigration to UK? What about the border with Ireland? How about the Scottish vote to remain in the EU?
Gone to a better place
You were making some sense until... What a shame you ended your post by mentioning Greece, the perfect example of the worst growing pains of Europe. Populist politicos choose to blame all their ills on the EU and the locals swallow it up. Just like you are trying to do now. Just like they had to for decades before with low productivity, tax evation on a huge scale and political manipulation by the wealthy elite. The very same people who then managed to binge the country into even more trouble as an EU member.

You are blaming it on the EU and not on corruption or greed.
Gone to a better place
Quoting smikester
You were making some sense until... What a shame you ended your post by mentioning Greece, the perfect example of the worst growing pains of Europe. Populist politicos choose to blame all their ills on the EU and the locals swallow it up. Just like you are trying to do now. Just like they had to for decades before with low productivity, tax evation on a huge scale and political manipulation by the wealthy elite. The very same people who then managed to binge the country into even more trouble as an EU member. You are blaming it on the EU and not...
Here is a partial list of EU countries and their associated drop in World rankings and the dire Southern European youth unemployment situation
Attached Image (click to enlarge)
Click to Enlarge Name: EU_Youth_Unemployment_2017_2.png Size: 82 KB
Attached Image
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} Here is a partial list of EU countries and their associated drop in World rankings and the dire Southern European youth unemployment situation {image} {image}
Southern Europe has always had this problem and I would like empirical evidence that these rankings were affected only by EU membership and not due to some tiger economies rising...
Gone to a better place
Taking this further east than Greece. What about the Ukraine. Are they a part of Europe? Are they an independent nation? Or are the a part of the "Russian Federation"?
Gone to a better place
Quoting smikester
You were making some sense until... What a shame you ended your post by mentioning Greece, the perfect example of the worst growing pains of Europe. Populist politicos choose to blame all their ills on the EU and the locals swallow it up. Just like you are trying to do now. Just like they had to for decades before with low productivity, tax evation on a huge scale and political manipulation by the wealthy elite. The very same people who then managed to binge the country into even more trouble as an EU member. You are blaming it on the EU and not...
Think you are both correct maybe talking on different parts of the greek timeline.
Inserted Video
The elites think we are stupid. They are in the main quite correct.
Quoting UKBanter
{quote} Just Stating a fact which i checked before commenting. I actually work with muslim women and its hard graft for them in a hard environment (factory). I was not intending to have a swipe at muslim women but i was FULLY having a swipe at our football team. Now WHERE'S MY LIKE JEN!!!!!!!!!!!
I gave you a like, sorry mine is not worth Jen s - Come on Jen !
Quoting UKBanter
{quote} Think you are both correct maybe talking on different parts of the greek timeline. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GBVTDLtTLtE

Mark Blyth tells the truth about the EU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGvZil0qWPg&t=925s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S31VLG8Qi78&t=56s

Mark Blyth on Scotland https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jg5y2dXwN9g
Quoting UKBanter
{quote} Just Stating a fact which i checked before commenting. I actually work with muslim women and its hard graft for them in a hard environment (factory). I was not intending to have a swipe at muslim women but i was FULLY having a swipe at our football team. Now WHERE'S MY LIKE JEN!!!!!!!!!!!
Here.

Quoting Wayne2401
{quote} I gave you a like, sorry mine is not worth Jen s - Come on Jen !
What am I supposed to be liking?
Quoting jen101
{quote} Here. {quote} What am I supposed to be liking?
I am not quite sure, maybe about Muslim women, hows your knowledge on the burka? I do know,UKBanter is desperate for your like, so you would make him happy, with a click of the button. If only I could, so easily!
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} Here is a partial list of EU countries and their associated drop in World rankings and the dire Southern European youth unemployment situation {image} {image}
Good God, I would not have thought some of those had anywhere to drop. The mighty EU managed it. So they can achieve something, I was wrong again!
Quoting Wayne2401
{quote} Good God, I would not have thought some of those had anywhere to drop. The mighty EU managed it. So they can achieve something, I was wrong again!
In spite of €billions being pumped into these economies, very little have changed as a result of EU intervention and membership. The Euro has made them uncompetitive and the EU Fiscal Compact have removed the necessary financial tools (which non-EU nations have) to lift their economies
Quoting jen101
{quote} Here. {quote} What am I supposed to be liking?
The Dev has promised to wear a Burka to keep UKbanter happy. Personally I am not in favour, I think he should show his shapely legs. You get the casting vote, Jen
Quoting Wayne2401
{quote} The Dev has promised to wear a Burka to keep UKbanter happy. Personally I am not in favour, I think he should show his shapely legs. You get the casting vote, Jen
Dev in a Burka....... lol now we are really off topic.
The elites think we are stupid. They are in the main quite correct.
  •  Guest
  • | IP XX.XX.125.41
Any chance of getting this thread back to GBP Trading issues?
And implication of the News item?
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} Careful Wayne, with talk like that and the number of Libtards in these threads you are likely to create a whole new gender, apart from the 72 now accepted by the libtards
I know I mentioned Muslim and burka, without quickly followed by,an apology and I did not mean to offend anyone statement, is this a first , will it be allowed?
Quoting Wayne2401
{quote} I know I mentioned Muslim and burka, without quickly followed by,an apology and I did not mean to offend anyone statement, is this a first , will it be allowed?
The reaction to post 154 should answer your question
How do I see , post 154 ?
Quoting Wayne2401
How do I see , post 154 ?
You already quoted it in 156, but just press "view post"
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} Mark Blyth tells the truth about the EU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGvZil0qWPg&t=925s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S31VLG8Qi78&t=56s Mark Blyth on Scotland https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jg5y2dXwN9g
Not these dusty old videos again, please.

And comparing Greece to Scotland? He's making a fool of himself.
Gone to a better place
Quoting smikester
{quote} Not these dusty old videos again, please. And comparing Greece to Scotland? He's making a fool of himself.
Please feel free to point out, using supporting data (not your opinion), where he is factually incorrect
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} You already quoted it in 156, but just press "view post"
Oh yes got it thanks, only 72?
Quoting smikester
{quote} Not these dusty old videos again, please. And comparing Greece to Scotland? He's making a fool of himself.
Well said, as if dreary old Scotland could ever compare to Greece.
Quoting Wayne2401
{quote} The Dev has promised to wear a Burka to keep UKbanter happy. Personally I am not in favour, I think he should show his shapely legs. You get the casting vote, Jen
Well the sun is out which means we are all seeing plenty of sights we would rather not. Maybe there is a case for the burqua or some sort of tent if you prefer another colour other than black.
Quoting Wayne2401
{quote} Well said, as if dreary old Scotland could ever compare to Greece.
Or England.
Gone to a better place
Quoting jen101
{quote} Well the sun is out which means we are all seeing plenty of sights we would rather not. Maybe there is a case for the burqua or some sort of tent if you prefer another colour other than black.
I think The Dev s complexion can carry off black. Some of those sights, a burka should be compulsory attire. (if allowed out in public at all)
Quoting smikester
{quote} Or England.
Comparing dour Scotland to England, I was going to say , comparing a mini to a Bentley, although upon reflection, more, a hoop and stick to a Bentley.
Quoting Wayne2401
{quote} I think The Dev s complexion can carry off black. Some of those sights, a burka should be compulsory attire. (if allowed out in public at all)
Works for me
Attached Image
Quoting Wayne2401
{quote} Comparing dour Scotland to England, I was going to say , comparing a mini to a Bentley, although upon reflection, more, a hoop and stick to a Bentley.
Yes, that's hilarious. Like comparing a German owned company to say, you.
Gone to a better place
Quoting smikester
{quote} Yes, that's hilarious. Like comparing a German owned company to say, you.
I m sorry, I just do not get it? Please explain, perhaps it is witty or clever or something, what?
OK, I'll explain what I said. The irony of choosing Bentley as your metaphor for England is just too funny, because as you clearly do not know, Bentley is owned by VAG, Volkswagen Audi Group. They are a German company, and the main reason Bentley still exist, and build such wonderful cars.

I notice your post was liked by jen101, and her acolyte Devauxt, so they also missed the huge gaffe.

To top it all, I am not even Scottish. I just don't like racist jibes, especially from a fellow English person.
Gone to a better place
Quoting smikester
OK, I'll explain what I said. The irony of choosing Bentley as your metaphor for England is just too funny, because as you clearly do not know, Bentley is owned by VAG, Volkswagen Audi Group. They are a German company, and the main reason Bentley still exist, and build such wonderful cars. I notice your post was liked by jen101, and her acolyte Devauxt, so they also missed the huge gaffe. To top it all, I am not even Scottish. I just don't like racist jibes, especially from a fellow English person.
No gaffe at all, a world renowned brand, English founded company, still based in England, so good the Germans bought it.
I thought that is what you meant, however the metaphor was so nonsensical , I thought it could not be. I know a little about Bentley.I am well aware VAG now own Bentley, I bought my first Bentley ( a Bentley 8) aged 22 and have owned them ever since. I have to say, sadly, since VAG took over the quality has gone down hill considerably ,in many ways (the look I still think is very good) The workforce, that I have spoken to, still made at Crewe England, mourn the old days.
I think perhaps you do not under the meaning of the word racist ( or perhaps you are trying that old number of , when you have no cogent argument accuse someone of being a racist, that will shut them up, scared of the accusation- ad hominem )
Racist is a person who shows or feels discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, we were talking about countries, you compared Scotland and Greece.On your criteria, all Americans would be racist, as they all constantly say America is the greatest country on earth. I happen to believe that is England, which would make me a racist to all inhabitants of every country in the world outside England. I never, at any point mentioned the people of the Scotland or Greece- read back. You could apologise for your mistake and slur, should you have sufficient style.
  • New Comment
  •  Guest
  • | IP XX.XX.9.172
Join FF
  • Story Stats
  • Posted: May 17, 2018 3:30am
  • Submitted by:
     Newsstand
    Category: High Impact Breaking News
    Comments: 172  /  Views: 42,231