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  • Russia and Iran warn US they will 'respond with force' if red lines crossed in Syria again

    From independent.co.uk

    Russia and Iran have warned the US they will "respond with force" if their own "red lines" are crossed in Syria. Following Friday's cruise missile strike on a Syrian air base, in retaliation for the chemical attack on Khan Sheikhoun earlier in the week, the alliance supporting Syrian President Bashar al-Assad made a joint statement threatening action in response to "any breach of red lines from whoever it is". "What America waged in an aggression on Syria is a crossing of red lines. From now on we will respond with force to any aggressor or any breach of red lines from whoever it is and America knows our ability to ... (full story)

  • Post #1
  • Apr 9, 2017 1:54pm Apr 9, 2017 1:54pm
here we go......oil up for sure
  • Post #2
  • Apr 9, 2017 2:13pm Apr 9, 2017 2:13pm
Quoting glenngie
here we go......oil up for sure
why only oil?
  • Post #3
  • Apr 9, 2017 2:34pm Apr 9, 2017 2:34pm
Reports have shown that the negative effects of war on economy include increased public debt, increased levels of taxation and inflation. The negative effects of war on economy are due to the macroeconomic effects of the United States government spending which has occurred since World War II.
  • Post #4
  • Apr 9, 2017 3:09pm Apr 9, 2017 3:09pm
War is nothing it is just Business To usa , they don't care Humanity, love , care ..Nothing just profit ..IMHo
  • Post #5
  • Apr 9, 2017 3:26pm Apr 9, 2017 3:26pm
LONG Stark Industries! (they are real aren't they?)
  • Post #6
  • Apr 9, 2017 3:37pm Apr 9, 2017 3:37pm
Quoting classy
{quote} why only oil?
means USD down
  • Post #7
  • Apr 9, 2017 4:38pm Apr 9, 2017 4:38pm
It's all dirty politics, Donald T just wanted to show the world and his people, that he is not pro Russia, not the friend of Putin., but actually he is. And so far, he succeeded.
  • Post #8
  • Apr 9, 2017 5:07pm Apr 9, 2017 5:07pm
Quoting loveandpeace
It's all dirty politics, Donald T just wanted to show the world and his people, that he is not pro Russia, not the friend of Putin., but actually he is. And so far, he succeeded.
LOL
  • Post #9
  • Apr 9, 2017 5:08pm Apr 9, 2017 5:08pm
is necessary to read arabic spring for understand some dinamics.
This is my opinion.
  • Post #10
  • Edited at 5:32pm Apr 9, 2017 5:18pm | Edited at 5:32pm
Quoting loveandpeace
It's all dirty politics, Donald T just wanted to show the world and his people, that he is not pro Russia, not the friend of Putin., but actually he is. And so far, he succeeded.
There's some truth to that. But it's not just Trump, it's Putin too. They are both very smart men who care a lot about their own countries. And they also know that if the two of them can work together, they can improve the world as a whole. The way things were going, though, they were NEVER gonna be able to work together.... no matter what Trump did, he would have been called a puppet of Putin, and so they would have been forced to stay at arm's length. But now most people are starting to say "Hmm... maybe they're NOT so buddy-buddy after all." Which will allow them (once this Syria affair is over) to get together and do some good, without appearing to be working in unison. (My opinion only, of course, but I've studied Donald's MO quite closely for the past couple years, and I know a little bit about Vlad's mindset too.)

More generally, I think both Trump and Putin, and any other decent people, would like to see ALL extremist types wiped out. Of course that means the ISIS things and their ilk, but also eventually the "zoo keepers". I'm talking the likes of Saddam, Khaddafi, and now Assad. I call them "zoo keepers" because if you just up and get rid of them suddenly, the rest of the zoo goes insane and matters will be FAR worse than before... even if that zoo keeper was, himself, a scumbag. So the mistake in Iraq and Libya was pushing for the zoo keeper's ouster, not caring what came after. I think the US would agree that taking Assad out while leaving the "rebels"/ISIS types in charge would be horrible. But I also think that Russia would agree that Assad is NOT a good guy... in other words, even Putin would like to see him gone AS LONG AS that doesn't mean total disintegration of Syria in the process. So my point is, I think Putin and Trump will work something out that brings about the utter destruction of ISIS and other such things, while setting in motion whatever will bring about something better than an Assad.
  • Post #11
  • Apr 9, 2017 6:57pm Apr 9, 2017 6:57pm
Quoting Ratmach
{quote} There's some truth to that. But it's not just Trump, it's Putin too. They are both very smart men who care a lot about their own countries. And they also know that if the two of them can work together, they can improve the world as a whole. The way things were going, though, they were NEVER gonna be able to work together.... no matter what Trump did, he would have been called a puppet of Putin, and so they would have been forced to stay at arm's length. But now most people are starting to say "Hmm... maybe they're NOT so buddy-buddy...
Me thinks you right on the money Us mere mortals only get the mushroom treatment and never get to know the full info thats happening behind the scene. Always good to see there are still independent thinkers out there just proves we not all sheeple
  • Post #12
  • Apr 9, 2017 7:28pm Apr 9, 2017 7:28pm
Putin and Assad were betrayed by Trump who listened to his son in law and those aligned with his son in law - these people have never forgotten that Putin, whom they'd counted on to take his country for a ride (I should say, continue to take it for a ride, a profitable ride) some time back, ...did NOT stay with the plan and instead decided to resurrect his country.

Assad is a former dentist. A few years ago the 'chemical attack on dozens of children' was proven to be footage from a similar attack elsewhere, in the past. Putin is arguably the most loved head of state in the world, and his fans include a fair number of Americans.

Trump has in my view aligned himself with the wrong side.
  • Post #13
  • Edited at 7:52pm Apr 9, 2017 7:42pm | Edited at 7:52pm
It's not likely anything further would follow this missile strike. Most observers rightfully agree its impact was largely symbolic, as the air base is already being used again to fly fighter jets from. Which makes sense, since the runways weren't destroyed, and U.S. had called Russia ahead of the strike, who promptly notified Assad to take his troops and jets somewhere else for a little while, which he did.

This must have felt good for Trump to do because it took minimal planning, required no congressional approval, and it made him look like he cares... in other words, good publicity. As for crossing lines - why is it not okay to gas people, but tearing them from limb to limb with high powered explosive bombs dropped from the same planes is fine? Rationally speaking, there's no difference - both are WMDs.

This also provides a nice distraction and a potential alibi in the ongoing Russian election meddling scandal, since it sort of implies he's not afraid to go against them. In reality, nothing has been done or proposed to be done longer term to oppose Russian influence in Syria... so chances are, this is as far as it goes.

Bottom line: smoke and mirrors.
  • Post #14
  • Apr 9, 2017 8:52pm Apr 9, 2017 8:52pm
Smoke and Mirrors with Nuclear weapons.
  • Post #15
  • Apr 9, 2017 9:03pm Apr 9, 2017 9:03pm
if this means war then we should expect gold to up in the long run since the dollar is weakening. would i be wrong to go long on gold now or when????
  • Post #16
  • Apr 9, 2017 9:22pm Apr 9, 2017 9:22pm
Quoting glenngie
{quote} means USD down
US Dollar down ?
Why ?
  • Post #17
  • Apr 9, 2017 9:27pm Apr 9, 2017 9:27pm
Which is weird with with statement that it was signed by Russian, Iran and the milicia!!! No word about Assad! How come Russia and milicia are together? It seems not serious on one hand and Assad government does not exist anymore! Just a view!
  • Post #18
  • Apr 9, 2017 9:51pm Apr 9, 2017 9:51pm
The US response was and is measured and contained. A response to the use of an extremely serious weaponized gas that was supposed to have been removed years ago with Russian supervision.

The multitude of combatants is the worrisome point. Iran being an additional member in conflict where the sides, lines and supporters vary suddenly. No single objective in sight other than multiple warring factions with no apparent desire in finding a peaceful solution.

A weapon such as Sarin being used, what is the next level of weapon to introduce into this field of confusion?

With Russia and USA in conflict.........smoke and mirrors.....as the man said!
  • Post #19
  • Apr 9, 2017 11:06pm Apr 9, 2017 11:06pm
Russia is not a democracy and odd things keep on happening such as the killing of opposition leaders, the killing of Russian defectors in other countries and interfering in other country's affairs such as Ukraine because, for example, there are lots of Russians in Crimea, the shooting down of a commercial flight over Eastern Ukraine which has never been explained. These are not laughable facts but the evidence provided by Russia is usually of laughable quality and certainly leaves you wondering about the state of 'democracy' in Russia and the state of mind of the Russian population. Turning the focus back onto Iran we see another country which severely abuses individual freedoms although it is very strongly committed to human rights through some commitment to Islam. Russia is a communist state while Iran is a state which is not atheist in its emphasis. But somehow these two countries find themselves as bed-mates and against the rest of the world - apparently including China and India - in a twisted message about internationally illegal red lines. Neither are the agendas of both countries the same, os its quite interesting that they could so quickly agree on a joint response. I doubt that the bond is as strong as this appears. No doubt Putin plays good chess and the Iranians will be onlookers for a while. So I suspect US will work around this particular bluff until the Russia/Iran bond starts to weaken. As investors therefore we should dig in a for a longer haul. North Korea is hotting up and here China is the key first mover. China has not supported Russia in Syria.
  • Post #20
  • Apr 10, 2017 12:34am Apr 10, 2017 12:34am
Quoting AnniLi
Russia is not a democracy and odd things keep on happening such as the killing of opposition leaders, the killing of Russian defectors in other countries and interfering in other country's affairs such as Ukraine because, for example, there are lots of Russians in Crimea, the shooting down of a commercial flight over Eastern Ukraine which has never been explained. These are not laughable facts but the evidence provided by Russia is usually of laughable quality and certainly leaves you wondering about the state of 'democracy' in Russia and the state...
china is not a party to the defence of Syria Russia is and let me guess the Ukraine was part of Russia originally
  • Post #21
  • Apr 10, 2017 1:21am Apr 10, 2017 1:21am
Iran and Russia are just talking they can't do shit because they don't have the power and money for it, bunch of fuking idiots.
  • Post #22
  • Apr 10, 2017 1:39am Apr 10, 2017 1:39am
Quoting hassan561
Iran and Russia are just talking they can't do shit because they don't have the power and money for it, bunch of fuking idiots.
Chachacha, this is propaganda from CNN, BBC.........
  • Post #23
  • Apr 10, 2017 2:55am Apr 10, 2017 2:55am
Quoting hassan561
Iran and Russia are just talking they can't do shit because they don't have the power and money for it, bunch of fuking idiots.
Do not underestimate Russia.
  • Post #24
  • Apr 10, 2017 2:59am Apr 10, 2017 2:59am
Quoting Subdude
It's not likely anything further would follow this missile strike. Most observers rightfully agree its impact was largely symbolic, as the air base is already being used again to fly fighter jets from. Which makes sense, since the runways weren't destroyed, and U.S. had called Russia ahead of the strike, who promptly notified Assad to take his troops and jets somewhere else for a little while, which he did. This must have felt good for Trump to do because it took minimal planning, required no congressional approval, and it made him look like he...
Russia and the US have moved on from 70s-style carpet-bombing; they now have the ability to accurately hit specific targets. That is the difference. Aligning gas with other weaponry is a bit like saying it is Ok to use nukes ... after all, it is just a bigger bang.
  • Post #25
  • Apr 10, 2017 3:15am Apr 10, 2017 3:15am
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Quoting AnniLi
Russia is a communist state... No doubt Putin plays good chess...“
Putin does not play chess (Kasparov even said Putin hated chess), and Russia is not a communist state. It is a hybrid system, and Putin is in essence an opportunist. What’s however going still on since the time Lenin conceived an idea of the Marxist revolution is this persistency of the Kremlin in trying to subvert Western societies and using “useful idiots” democracies inevitably produce for the Kremlin’s geopolitical “games”.
  • Post #26
  • Apr 10, 2017 5:41am Apr 10, 2017 5:41am
Quoting Exodus
{quote} Russia and the US have moved on from 70s-style carpet-bombing; they now have the ability to accurately hit specific targets. That is the difference. Aligning gas with other weaponry is a bit like saying it is Ok to use nukes ... after all, it is just a bigger bang.
That may very well be true but being capable of picking specific targets accurately does not mean the ability will actually be used. Case in point? Russia in Syria - they're not exactly worried about collateral damage. If you're dead, you must have deserved it - a terrorist perhaps.

Comparing the impact from chemical weapons to casualties from nukes is actually uncalled for. Recent chemical attacks in Syria have not yielded significantly more deaths than those from barrel bombs used by the government... and my point was not that it's okay to do both, but rather that intervening now while staying silent before seems pretty arbitrary and unstructured. But then again, this is Trump's admin we're talking here so all logic is out the window...
  • Post #27
  • Apr 10, 2017 6:36am Apr 10, 2017 6:36am
One thing about bombing nations involved with Oil, it certainly spikes the prices. Crisco and waterbeds seems fun, Oil up!
  • Post #28
  • Apr 10, 2017 8:59am Apr 10, 2017 8:59am
Quoting Subdude
As for crossing lines - why is it not okay to gas people, but tearing them from limb to limb with high powered explosive bombs dropped from the same planes is fine? Rationally speaking, there's no difference - both are WMDs.
The answer of your question is probably no one, including Assad, cares about civilian casualties, millions of people who had to relocate etc. That said, the curious thing about refugees is, they maintain or even have surpassed their already crazy birth rates.

As for rationality, guess it's hard to come by these days.
  • Post #29
  • Apr 10, 2017 11:07am Apr 10, 2017 11:07am
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Quoting glenngie
here we go......oil up for sure
Its going down instead.
  • Post #30
  • Apr 10, 2017 11:55am Apr 10, 2017 11:55am
Quoting classy
War is nothing it is just Business To usa , they don't care Humanity, love , care ..Nothing just profit ..IMHo
Your comment couldn't be more emotionally charged and near sighted. I am sure over in your neck of the woods (Bangladesh) people never commit crimes against humanity and all war is for the defense of human rights and "love".
  • Post #31
  • Apr 10, 2017 12:13pm Apr 10, 2017 12:13pm
P.S. to mine from yesterday look at a picture of Assad, and then see what you think about his character. It is pretty hard to conceal one's character for those with a discerning eye. A slightly less extreme case is looking at Putin's picture - any of them - he is very in control of himself. I meant yesterday that he made a choice, decades ago, to resurrect his country, Russia, and a lot of people lost an opportunity to make as much money. Research as one person participating in history, Lawrence H. Summers?
  • Post #32
  • Apr 10, 2017 12:37pm Apr 10, 2017 12:37pm
"War is nothing it is just Business To usa , they don't care Humanity, love , care ..Nothing just profit ..IMHo"

Oh, so Russia and Iran and Syria give a shit about humanity??? America defeated fascism, brought down communism, rebuilt Europe after WWII,etc. Your brain-dead comments show how ignorant you are. Do us all a big favor and STFU. You're just a loser from a loser nation. BTW, America gives people in Bangladesh jobs making clothes, so show a little gratitude, ingrate loser. Without those factories, you people would have NOTHING.
  • Post #33
  • Apr 10, 2017 12:41pm Apr 10, 2017 12:41pm
Classy ? No, you aren't. You're just another third-world loser.
  • Post #34
  • Apr 10, 2017 1:31pm Apr 10, 2017 1:31pm
Quoting gravitist
"War is nothing it is just Business To usa , they don't care Humanity, love , care ..Nothing just profit ..IMHo" Oh, so Russia and Iran and Syria give a shit about humanity??? America defeated fascism, brought down communism, rebuilt Europe after WWII,etc. Your brain-dead comments show how ignorant you are. Do us all a big favor and STFU. You're just a loser from a loser nation. BTW, America gives people in Bangladesh jobs making clothes, so show a little gratitude, ingrate loser. Without those factories, you people would have NOTHING....
Good one ! You sure are one highly literate fellow
  • Post #35
  • Apr 10, 2017 2:23pm Apr 10, 2017 2:23pm
Quoting gravitist
"War is nothing it is just Business To usa , they don't care Humanity, love , care ..Nothing just profit ..IMHo" Oh, so Russia and Iran and Syria give a shit about humanity??? America defeated fascism, brought down communism, rebuilt Europe after WWII,etc. Your brain-dead comments show how ignorant you are. Do us all a big favor and STFU. You're just a loser from a loser nation. BTW, America gives people in Bangladesh jobs making clothes, so show a little gratitude, ingrate loser. Without those factories, you people would have NOTHING....

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  • Post #36
  • Apr 10, 2017 3:06pm Apr 10, 2017 3:06pm
Quoting gravitist
.... America defeated fascism, brought down communism, rebuilt Europe after WWII,etc. ....
Here, have some more Koolade.....

  • Post #37
  • Apr 10, 2017 5:28pm Apr 10, 2017 5:28pm
Quoting classy
War is nothing it is just Business To usa , they don't care Humanity, love , care ..Nothing just profit ..IMHo
America has sought a regime change in every country who detached their oil from the USD. They cannot lose their license to print money. There's a matter of a $20 trillion plus debt to service.
  • Post #38
  • Apr 10, 2017 5:28pm Apr 10, 2017 5:28pm
what is really goin on cannot be seen on the news report, they may fight in the open but friends underground and vice versa
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