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    "It's like musicians in their bow-ties playing on board the Titanic," remarked a friend of mine as I was talking to them about the EU's 60th anniversary celebrations in Rome. A mild exaggeration, shall we say - but the image sticks in my mind. Because as the leaders of the EU's 27 countries clink champagne glasses in plush, security-tight surroundings on Saturday - all is not well in the Europe outside their gates: youth unemployment persists (especially in the south), terror attacks, illegal migration, inequalities in the Eurozone, Brexit and a tide of anti-establishment populist nationalism across much of the bloc. ... (full story)

The blizzard blew open the door with some force. I forced myself in pain out of the sleeping bag, crawled and secured the door again. The morning brought a still day and we were alive to move forward again. Let's strive to survive first then build on renewed commitments. There will be troubles. But let us be known and committed to each other so that we know who we are, and who they are.
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The blizzard blew open the door with some force. I forced myself in pain out of the sleeping bag, crawled and secured the door again. The morning brought a still day and we were alive to move forward again. Let's strive to survive first then build on renewed commitments. There will be troubles. But let us be known and committed to each other so that we know who we are, and who they are.
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EU is pretty much buggered without the UK in it... France is next to leave after Le Pen wins, and that will be the end of the EU, and good riddance to that commie parastatal monster, as neo-cons can never really hope to force people with such diverse centuries-old traditions, rich cultures, different languages, into one state, and then MAKE THEM GIVE UP ALL THEIR HERITAGE for the sake of a bunch of unelected bums running everything out of Brussels... And for what ?? So that we can avoid another war if we are all separate countries ?? Utter nonsense and a blunt insult to intelligence, in my humble opinion...
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"A failure and a tragedy."


Failure, hey? I wonder how much blame he takes on himself.
Quoting g_12f80fac
And for what ?? So that we can avoid another war if we are all separate countries ??
The purpose of the EU was famously to "keep the Russians out, the British in and the Germans down".

Well, you tell me how that worked out. Looking forward to our glorious Eurasian future, comrades
Quoting g_12f80fac
Utter nonsense and a blunt insult to intelligence, in my humble opinion...

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Massive oxymoron there, anonymous chum, in my humble opinion.
Gone to a better place
The Fifth Reich must prevail!
Quoting ultra99
{quote} The purpose of the EU was famously to "keep the Russians out, the British in and the Germans down". Well, you tell me how that worked out. Looking forward to our glorious Eurasian future, comrades
Massively contradictory for someone coming from a tripartite "neutral" country. If, in fact, you are actually there and not in some bed sitter in Wapping.
Gone to a better place
Quoting jen101
The Fifth Reich must prevail!
Oh what fun!
Gone to a better place
Quoting g_12f80fac
EU is pretty much buggered without the UK in it... France is next to leave after Le Pen wins, and that will be the end of the EU, and good riddance to that commie parastatal monster, as neo-cons can never really hope to force people with such diverse centuries-old traditions, rich cultures, different languages, into one state, and then MAKE THEM GIVE UP ALL THEIR HERITAGE for the sake of a bunch of unelected bums running everything out of Brussels... And for what ?? So that we can avoid another war if we are all separate countries ?? Utter nonsense...
You have to be very careful when telling the truth in here about the EU. The thing you will find is that the EU apologists in here will not accept any criticism about their beloved EU, further, they won't be able to counter your truths about the EU with any real facts but believe if they shout you down or insult you, that this is a credible answer to a valid opinion. The EU is a cancerous growth on the arse of Europe and need to be exorcised. I thought La Pen point on Merkel and Hollande were so valid https://youtu.be/TEGUvhoQ2Fc
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} You have to be very careful when telling the truth in here about the EU. The thing you will find is that the EU apologists in here will not accept any criticism about their beloved EU, further, they won't be able to counter your truths about the EU with any real facts but believe if they shout you down or insult you, that this is a credible answer to a valid opinion. The EU is a cancerous growth on the arse of Europe and need to be exorcised. I thought La Pen point on Merkel and Hollande were so valid https://youtu.be/TEGUvhoQ2Fc
Not a very good speech, I thought, considering she was reading from something pre-prepared.
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"You have to be very careful when telling the truth in here about the EU. .. "

Very True. I won't mention names, but there are some here who will call any EU critic a "nazi" or "fascist". As if that is somehow even distantly related to a good counter-argument! They have no facts, no evidence, no data - just childish insults only worthy of a schoolyard bully. Their behavior speaks volumes about their mental capacities. Personally, I'm surprised they're even able to spell "forex, or, for that matter, type and breathe at the same time - that must surely put a strain on the few neurons they possess.
Quoting smikester
{quote} Not a very good speech, I thought, considering she was reading from something pre-prepared.
Depends on whether you are judging her performance or her message
Quoting gravitist
"You have to be very careful when telling the truth in here about the EU. .. " Very True. I won't mention names, but there are some here who will call any EU critic a "nazi" or "fascist". As if that is somehow even distantly related to a good counter-argument! They have no facts, no evidence, no data - just childish insults only worthy of a schoolyard bully. Their behavior speaks volumes about their mental capacities. Personally, I'm surprised they're even able to spell "forex, or, for that matter, type and breathe...
ROFL, don't mock the afflicted
Quoting gravitist
"You have to be very careful when telling the truth in here about the EU. .. " Very True. I won't mention names, but there are some here who will call any EU critic a "nazi" or "fascist". As if that is somehow even distantly related to a good counter-argument! They have no facts, no evidence, no data - just childish insults only worthy of a schoolyard bully. Their behavior speaks volumes about their mental capacities. Personally, I'm surprised they're even able to spell "forex, or, for that matter, type and breathe...
I would call them reactionary. I don't use schoolyard name calling like jen101, unless they are trolling, sorry, rabbiting.
Gone to a better place
Another populist bites the dust, Macro DESTROYS crazy le Pen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinio...tion,_2017.png

So I guess that's it then, the EU winning again.

Winning.
Quoting barkie
Another populist bites the dust, Macro DESTROYS crazy le Pen. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinio...tion,_2017.png So I guess that's it then, the EU winning again. Winning.
You have not been right about anything EU to date, why try to start now
Quoting smikester
{quote} I would call them reactionary. I don't use schoolyard name calling like jen101, unless they are trolling, sorry, rabbiting.
Totally unprovoked. Pot, kettle black! Utterly pathetic. Being banned from the RH must be really eating you!
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} You have not been right about anything EU to date, why try to start now
YOU have not been right about anything, many would follow UK the "leader" (lol) and according to you the Netherlands, France etc would follow quickly.

As I predicted, nothing happened other than that the UK is now a total mess and chocolate will soon be the size of a rabbit dropping in your little country.
Quoting jen101
{quote} Totally unprovoked. Pot, kettle black! Utterly pathetic. Being banned from the RH must be really eating you!
Ain't that the truth ROFL
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} Ain't that the truth ROFL
Well, I told him before that all he has to do is grovel nicely... (and then I might think about it.)
Quoting barkie
{quote} YOU have not been right about anything, many would follow UK the "leader" (lol) and according to you the Netherlands, France etc would follow quickly. As I predicted, nothing happened other than that the UK is now a total mess and chocolate will soon be the size of a rabbit dropping in your little country.
As usual your blind belief in EU propaganda will be your undoing. Whilst it is deeply disappointing that Wilders did not win outright, he did however make serious gains, which is going to prove to be a pain in the arse for both Rutte and the EU in equal measure. La Pen is making serious gains and whether she wins or not ( I hope she does) she is bring a major fight to the EU. The EU only has threats, blackmail and bribery to keep the EU together in its current format, but that won't last for long.

This is only the start of the backlash against the EU, not the end
Quoting barkie
{quote} YOU have not been right about anything, many would follow UK the "leader" (lol) and according to you the Netherlands, France etc would follow quickly. As I predicted, nothing happened other than that the UK is now a total mess and chocolate will soon be the size of a rabbit dropping in your little country.
A little country? That's funny coming from someone who lives in an irrelevant province of the EU. Total mess? Typically, another deluded, bitter, UK hating EU slave. Is it any wonder we voted to leave with "friends" like you? You stay in your insular fantasy world and we will go out into the world and do business.
Nobody can be told what The Matrix is. You'll have to see it yourself.
Quoting shinny
{quote} A little country? That's funny coming from someone who lives in an irrelevant province of the EU. Total mess? Typically, another deluded, bitter, UK hating EU slave. Is it any wonder we voted to leave with "friends" like you? You stay in your insular fantasy world and we will go out into the world and do business.
Ouch, but so so true
Quoting shinny
{quote} A little country? That's funny coming from someone who lives in an irrelevant province of the EU. Total mess? Typically, another deluded, bitter, UK hating EU slave. Is it any wonder we voted to leave with "friends" like you? You stay in your insular fantasy world and we will go out into the world and do business.
I remember Nigel Farage calling Belgium a "non country." Netherlands isn't far off.
Quoting shinny
{quote} A little country? That's funny coming from someone who lives in an irrelevant province of the EU. Total mess? Typically, another deluded, bitter, UK hating EU slave. Is it any wonder we voted to leave with "friends" like you? You stay in your insular fantasy world and we will go out into the world and do business.
Yeah Shiny, countries around the world are DYING to trade with you, and enjoy the wide range of products you english boys make like....

Good old times coming back, imagine Boris Johnson standing on the bow.
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Quoting barkie
{quote} Yeah Shiny, countries around the world are DYING to trade with you, and enjoy the wide range of products you english boys make like.... Good old times coming back, imagine Leo diCaprio on the bow. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_X9_UsoNEw
I think you need to do a little more research before you make yourself look even more stupid
Quoting barkie
{quote} Yeah Shiny, countries around the world are DYING to trade with you, and enjoy the wide range of products you english boys make like.... Good old times coming back, imagine Boris Johnson standing on the bow. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_X9_UsoNEw
https://order-order.com/2016/07/29/brexit-breaking-free-global-markets/

Yeah, nobody wants to trade with us do they??!!
Nobody can be told what The Matrix is. You'll have to see it yourself.
Quoting barkie
{quote} Yeah Shiny, countries around the world are DYING to trade with you, and enjoy the wide range of products you english boys make like.... Good old times coming back, imagine Boris Johnson standing on the bow. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_X9_UsoNEw
Australia
Argentina
Bolivia
Brazil
Canada
Chile
China
Colombia
Ecuador
Germany
Ghana
Iceland
India
Ireland
Japan
Kenya
Korea (Republic of)
Mexico
New Zealand
Pakistan
Paraguay
Peru
Suriname
Switzerland
United States
Uruguay
Venezuela

The total GDP of all of these countries is nearly $50trillion dollars – 67% of global GDP. In comparison, the EU’s GDP of $16 trillion equates tojust 22%. Britain is open for business and Guido will be updating this map over the coming weeks and months. Over to you, Dr Fox…
Nobody can be told what The Matrix is. You'll have to see it yourself.
Quoting shinny
{quote} Australia Argentina Bolivia Brazil Canada Chile China Colombia Ecuador Germany Ghana Iceland India Ireland Japan Kenya Korea (Republic of) Mexico New Zealand Pakistan Paraguay Peru Suriname Switzerland United States Uruguay Venezuela The total GDP of all of these countries is nearly $50trillion dollars 67% of global GDP. In comparison, the EUs GDP of $16 trillion equates tojust 22%. Britain is open for business and Guido will be updating this map over the coming weeks and months. Over to you, Dr Fox
shinny,

One thing you will learn about barkie is that he never does any real research before shooting his mouth off. So normally we don't feed him any of our own research. I would add that the GDP of the Commonwealth countries is nearly up there with the EU as well, which was certainly not the case many years ago
Quoting shinny
Britain is open... and Guido will updating
Hmm very Impressive list... At least you guys can be proud with these sponsorships of several bloggers, as the Euro-Guido, Santa Claus...
perhaps my English is not perfect - but I know the Jungle
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What ya doing?
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Behind the scenes I believe the EU is in a vindictive mood......
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Quoting Not-KPMG
Hi TROLLS What ya doing? {image}
Looking at your recent posts over the past few weeks KPMG where you offer very little in the way of comments worthy of discussing (whether it be comments on articles or other peoples' posts) but rather just worthless/ repeated rhetoric such as this, it seems one of the latest trolls to appear in these parts, is yourself....
Come with me if you want to live....
Quoting SickOfScam
{quote} Hmm very Impressive list... At least you guys can be proud with these sponsorships of several bloggers, as the Euro-Guido, Santa Claus...
It is about time.
The world you desire can be won. It exists.. it is real.. it is possible..
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} shinny, One thing you will learn about barkie is that he never does any real research before shooting his mouth off. So normally we don't feed him any of our own research. I would add that the GDP of the Commonwealth countries is nearly up there with the EU as well, which was certainly not the case many years ago
Thanks for the heads up!!
Nobody can be told what The Matrix is. You'll have to see it yourself.
Quoting glenngie
Behind the scenes I believe the EU is in a vindictive mood......
I'm feeling in a vindictive mood, or at least I'm waiting with the only thing that can hurt the EU, and I'll give an example:

I am moving back to the UK this summer, and am looking to buy a new car. I had planned on buying a new Audi, but with what's going on, I'm either going to buy a car from a different country, or just hold off. So there is my little protest, with the only thing that will hurt the EU, and that is boycotting their products.

There are many like me also and bear in mind that the head of the CBI in Germany has called for a free trade agreement with the UK, as have many other German business leaders, and I think these negotiations will turn out a lot different from what these EU head cases think.

Germany controls the EU, and in Germany money talks.
Nobody can be told what The Matrix is. You'll have to see it yourself.
Quoting glenngie
Behind the scenes I believe the EU is in a vindictive mood......
Behind the scenes?
It was only earlier this week that Junker showed just what a vindictive mood he was in with his stated position that after they have finished dealing with the UK in negotiations, no one else will want to leave.
And get this, he believes this fear of leaving will encourage the other member countries to fall in love with the EU all over again.

So if I beat my child for running away from home and make my other children witness the beating, the fear instilled in them will make them love me more lol...

This is the EU logic...
Come with me if you want to live....
Quoting smikester
{quote} Massively contradictory for someone coming from a tripartite "neutral" country. If, in fact, you are actually there and not in some bed sitter in Wapping.
You confuse residency with nationality, perhaps?
Quoting Ill-b-back
{quote} Behind the scenes? It was only earlier this week that Junker showed just what a vindictive mood he was in with his stated position that after they have finished dealing with the UK in negotiations, no one else will want to leave. And get this, he believes this fear of leaving will encourage the other member countries to fall in love with the EU all over again. So if I beat my child for running away from home and make my other children witness the beating, the fear instilled in them will make them love me more lol... This is the EU logic...
Blackmail and threats is the EU Fascist way -

Poland will not be blackmailed by Western Europeans threatening to take away millions in European Union funds for standing up for its interests, Prime Minister Beata Szydlo

...Diplomats said French President Francois Hollande and German Chancellor Angela Merkel confronted Szydlo over Thursday dinner, with the French leader saying it was the wealthier Westerners who contribute funds for Poland's development.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/reuters/article-4301892/Isolated-EU-Polish-PM-Szydlo-fights-back.html#ixzz4cKbWn6yZ
See Nigels Farages UKIP (Brexit) party has lost its ONLY MP today.
Shame.
Quoting cliffedwards
See Nigels Farages UKIP (Brexit) party has lost its ONLY MP today. Shame.
Douglas Carswell is right though; UKIP has achieved what they set out to do. To continue, they will need to re-brand.
normally, i don´t post on weekend, but this a speacial day:

happy birthday, EU! 60 years of freedom and peace.

http://pulseofeurope.eu/

greetings from the economic power house of europe.
fortis fortuna adiuvat
Quoting deltaone
normally, i don´t post on weekend, but this a speacial day: happy birthday, EU! 60 years of freedom and peace. http://pulseofeurope.eu/ greetings from the economic power house of europe.
Laudable aspirations at its inception. NATO has ensured peace, not the EU. Without major surgery, it will will die. Economic powerhouse? Only Germany can claim that and not the EU. Freedom? of travel, yes, but without real democracy and real accountability in the EU the electorate is being denied real freedom
Quoting deltaone
normally, i dont post on weekend, but this a speacial day: happy birthday, EU! 60 years of freedom and peace. http://pulseofeurope.eu/ greetings from the economic power house of europe.
Yes. A tribute to the big thinking.. vision and maturity of our predecessors.
This world view from Olli Rehn .. will resonate for those with a 21st century global view.
"EU ... has served as an anchor of stability and democracy and as a driver of personal freedom and economic dynamism. It has advanced the rule of law and protection of human rights. It helped to bring about peaceful democratic change and extended the area of freedom and prosperity to almost 500 million people. For the citizens in this part of Europe, this marked a return to their historical European home.
Enlargement has also increased the EU's weight in the world be it in international trade negotiations or when addressing other issues of global nature, such as climate change or development. It has substantially increased our crisis management capacity, especially for peace-keeping missions. "

It is significant that the EU is now older than most national democracies.
Who do you think would last longer, alchie Juncker age 62 or the EU, age 60?
Quoting deltaone
normally, i don´t post on weekend, but this a speacial day: happy birthday, EU! 60 years of freedom and peace. http://pulseofeurope.eu/ greetings from the economic power house of europe.
minus Greece and Italian banks and Spanish unemployment......
Quoting Ill-b-back
{quote} Behind the scenes? It was only earlier this week that Junker showed just what a vindictive mood he was in with his stated position that after they have finished dealing with the UK in negotiations, no one else will want to leave. And get this, he believes this fear of leaving will encourage the other member countries to fall in love with the EU all over again. So if I beat my child for running away from home and make my other children witness the beating, the fear instilled in them will make them love me more lol... This is the EU logic...
true....however there has been some more mild talk from EU members also....but my point was in the back room meetings there is some punishment being planned, IMO
Quoting glenngie
{quote} minus Greece and Italian banks and Spanish unemployment......
and what has this to do with peace and freedom? but as long as your statement was relatively polite for the news section, il,ll answer:
spain left euro rescue fund 3 years ago, spanish unemployment decreased by 10% in 2016, gdp +3,2%.
italian bank problems can be managed, thanks to lord draghila and co. last tltro increased by factor 4.
greece... sould have never been allowed to get the euro. third world administration (f.e. tax offices without pc), corruption, no taxes for ultra high net wealth individuals. one can write a book, but thats not worth my time.
fortis fortuna adiuvat
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} Laudable aspirations at its inception. NATO has ensured peace, not the EU. Without major surgery, it will will die. Economic powerhouse? Only Germany can claim that and not the EU. Freedom? of travel, yes, but without real democracy and real accountability in the EU the electorate is being denied real freedom
Was denkst Du Hauptschüler eigentlich, wo ich lebe? Halbgebildeter Vollidiot.
fortis fortuna adiuvat
Quoting deltaone
{quote} Was denkst Du Hauptschler eigentlich, wo ich lebe? Halbgebildeter Vollidiot.
sprechen Sie mit mir, wenn Sie eine vernnftige Antwort haben, dorftrottel
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} sprechen Sie mit mir, wenn Sie eine vernnftige Antwort haben, dorftrottel
q.e.d.: Ein Satz, vier Fehler. Setzen, 6! Hauptschüler...
over and out.
fortis fortuna adiuvat
Quoting jen101
Who do you think would last longer, alchie Juncker age 62 or the EU, age 60?
Or a bottle of JD? HicupJunker makes out he can hold his booze. But we can all do that when you go to the bar and you have 27 drinks in already. When some of the 27 start peeling away, Ol Jack Jucnker will have to buy his own beers.

That's when he needs to talk to Frank!
Nobody can be told what The Matrix is. You'll have to see it yourself.
"Polish Prime Minister Beata Szydlo called the declaration signed Saturday by European Union leaders in Rome a "first step toward renewing the unity of the EU."..... "Szydlo had initially threatened not to endorse the declaration but backed away from that on the eve of the summit and signed it Saturday.... "
source "Daily Mail"
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} Depends on whether you are judging her performance or her message
Round up the usual suspects!
Quoting deltaone
{quote} q.e.d.: Ein Satz, vier Fehler. Setzen, 6! Hauptschüler... over and out.
German is not a language I can communicate in, but happy to engage using English
Quoting cliffedwards
"Polish Prime Minister Beata Szydlo called the declaration signed Saturday by European Union leaders in Rome a "first step toward renewing the unity of the EU."..... "Szydlo had initially threatened not to endorse the declaration but backed away from that on the eve of the summit and signed it Saturday.... " source "Daily Mail"
The EU's threats and blackmail are very effective ....Poland will not be blackmailed by Western Europeans threatening to take away millions in European Union funds for standing up for its interests, Prime Minister Beata Szydlo - Source Reuters

Who needs guns and violence when have the withdrawal of €bn grants in you armoury as well as the € for the Euro zone
Quoting deltaone
normally, i don´t post on weekend, but this a speacial day: happy birthday, EU! 60 years of freedom and peace. http://pulseofeurope.eu/ greetings from the economic power house of europe.
Greetings great power house...from England.
It's all about bucks, kid. The rest is conversation.
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} The EU's threats and blackmail are very effective ....Poland will not be blackmailed by Western Europeans threatening to take away millions in European Union funds for standing up for its interests, Prime Minister Beata Szydlo - Source Reuters Who needs guns and violence when have the withdrawal of €bn grants in you armoury as well as the € for the Euro zone
Here is the thing, I do not believe the EU leadership truly appreciates the historical and cultural differences that will inevitably lead to different outcomes. Some societies do not have the institutional guilt that blinds them and have an entirely different historical lens. Call it willful myopia or biased ignorance, really does not make much sense to me, but is intuitively obvious.

I find it ironic that so many are ready to ascribe peace and prosperity to the EU without considering the simple fact that it is due to the spread of duly elected democratic governments and that EU is not. Oh irony thy name is ff.
The world you desire can be won. It exists.. it is real.. it is possible..
Quoting deltaone
{quote} and what has this to do with peace and freedom? but as long as your statement was relatively polite for the news section, il,ll answer: spain left euro rescue fund 3 years ago, spanish unemployment decreased by 10% in 2016, gdp +3,2%. italian bank problems can be managed, thanks to lord draghila and co. last tltro increased by factor 4. greece... sould have never been allowed to get the euro. third world administration (f.e. tax offices without pc), corruption, no taxes for ultra high net wealth individuals. one can write a book, but thats...
Yes things have improved in Spain...but unemployment still very high.....
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