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  • EU says 'everything is ready' for Brexit trigger

  • Comment #1
  • Mar 20, 2017 8:17am Mar 20, 2017 8:17am
very ready Yes , so that's why the greek doing protests right now , and italy is facing economic problems , of course and spain , and their outside politics is ruined with Russia or UK or turkey , even with USA , politics or economy both in the same line are mess with the EU under this people controlling it now. And i am wondering what will happen to them when the UK start withdrawing their liquidity from the EU , as what happened 3 years ago when the swiss banks decided something like that , yes they are very ready !!!
  • Comment #2
  • Mar 20, 2017 9:13am Mar 20, 2017 9:13am
We in Uk are logistically entirely understaffed, underskilled and ill prepared for these negotiations.
We have tried to recruit Commonwealth nations negotiators to train staff...

IMHO, We are seriously behind the 8 ball here.
We need to stop whistling in the wind and take that on board.
And for sure the politicians are sure not helping.
  • Comment #3
  • Mar 20, 2017 10:16am Mar 20, 2017 10:16am
Quoting cliffedwards
We in Uk are logistically entirely understaffed, underskilled and ill prepared for these negotiations. We have tried to recruit Commonwealth nations negotiators to train staff... IMHO, We are seriously behind the 8 ball here. We need to stop whistling in the wind and take that on board. And for sure the politicians are sure not helping.
what are the odds of EU presenting a "take it or leave it"? I guess we shall see how much bad blood there is
  • Comment #4
  • Mar 20, 2017 11:20am Mar 20, 2017 11:20am
pound finally looks a little heavy
  • Comment #5
  • Mar 20, 2017 1:33pm Mar 20, 2017 1:33pm
Quoting glenngie
{quote} what are the odds of EU presenting a "take it or leave it"? I guess we shall see how much bad blood there is
Glennie..
Im a UK citizen.. Believe me I want this to be good...
But Im very upset by the people whove got us into this situation mate.
While Government attention is focused on this stupid gamble, UK faces a collapse of NHS, social support for our aged, Education and enormous disruption to employment and industry.. none of which is getting the attention it needs.
If I thought ANY of this BS would lead to a better life for UK citizens.. Id be paying for the Cheerleaders.
  • Comment #6
  • Mar 20, 2017 1:53pm Mar 20, 2017 1:53pm
Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} Glennie.. Im a UK citizen.. Believe me I want this to be good... But Im very upset by the people whove got us into this situation mate. While Government attention is focused on this stupid gamble, UK faces a collapse of NHS, social support for our aged, Education and enormous disruption to employment and industry.. none of which is getting the attention it needs. If I thought ANY of this BS would lead to a better life for UK citizens.. Id be paying for the Cheerleaders.
I am in healthcare in the US and I paid special attention to the articles about EU Nurses going back to their countries because they can not get an answer on their residency status. Nurses are always in demand everywhere, including here in FL. We recruit from all over the world because there isn't enough Nurses.

At first I thought it might be good for the UK to leave, but now I am not so sure.....humans are humans and while I enjoyed the entertainment of Farage calling the EU leadership all sorts of names, do you think they have forgot that? I do think the EU will make sure the UK is "punished" of sorts. Of course I have heard about all the stupid EU rules including what teapots you could and couldn't use.....and of course immigration.....I see why the UK voted to leave....but it will be painful for a number of years....
  • Comment #7
  • Mar 20, 2017 2:06pm Mar 20, 2017 2:06pm
Quoting glenngie
At first I thought it might be good for the UK to leave, but now I am not so sure.....humans are humans and while I enjoyed the entertainment of Farage calling the EU leadership all sorts of names, do you think they have forgot that? I do think the EU will make sure the UK is "punished" of sorts. Of course I have heard about all the stupid EU rules including what teapots you could and couldn't use.....and of course immigration.....I see why the UK voted to leave....but it will be painful for a number of years....
This is a very bad sign for a country where serious politicians have no valid arguments to cover political clowns. That case is now UK and Nigel Farage + gang.
perhaps my English is not perfect - but I know the Jungle
  • Comment #8
  • Edited 4:00pm Mar 20, 2017 3:38pm | Edited 4:00pm
Quoting glenngie
{quote} I am in healthcare in the US and I paid special attention to the articles about EU Nurses going back to their countries because they can not get an answer on their residency status. Nurses are always in demand everywhere, including here in FL. We recruit from all over the world because there isn't enough Nurses. At first I thought it might be good for the UK to leave, but now I am not so sure.....humans are humans and while I enjoyed the entertainment of Farage calling the EU leadership all sorts of names, do you think they have forgot that?...
Interesting point..
As you know the EU takes no part in the healthcare policies of its member states..Except to create and maintain a system of mutual cover for EU citizens travelling and resident in other EU countries... a work in progress.

I was amused that you made reference to the Teapot issue.
As an American you will have been exposed almost exclusively to English Language UK Media coverage of the EU.
Who are deeply political and historically euroskeptic. In the matter of the much maligned myth of EU "Regulations"... It is important that you realize that as such you have been receiving a deeply skewed and spun version of facts.
Most Americans Ive spoken with have a concept of these regulations as something "IMPOSED". A lie perpetuated by a number of members here. This is entire Bullshit.
All EU regulations go through a torturous process of consultation with all stakeholders commercial and sovereign, and cannot be adopted without final approval by BOTH EU Parliament and EU Council of nations.
The "Teapot" regulation is not that. It doesnt refer to teapots at all. Its part of a continent wide effort to reduce carbon emissions,reduce energy usage by badly designed household appliances, and force manufacturers to strive to achieve higher performance through innovation and design efficiency rather than by simply increasing consumers power consumption bills.
The real problem for the EU if you only knew, is the extent of the democratic framework that exists at all levels in decisionmaking that makes the simplistic and most sensible measures hugely complicated to expedite.
Our own domestic Democratic framework is a joke compared to the application of democratic principles in the EU.
In the UK we have a Bicameral system with an entirely unelected second house,(The Lords) and and entirely unelected head of state (The Monarch). To make matters worse we have a "first past the Post" electoral system in the lower house, that fails to represent any breath of voters views. Which is why for example Farages UKIP Brexit party cant get any more than ONE member in our UK Parliament , but has managed to have 20 ..yes 20!! seats in the allegedly "Undemocratic" European Parliament.
Believe me the thing is a mess.
  • Comment #9
  • Mar 20, 2017 4:26pm Mar 20, 2017 4:26pm
Quoting glenngie
{quote} I am in healthcare in the US and I paid special attention to the articles about EU Nurses going back to their countries because they can not get an answer on their residency status. Nurses are always in demand everywhere, including here in FL. We recruit from all over the world because there isn't enough Nurses. At first I thought it might be good for the UK to leave, but now I am not so sure.....humans are humans and while I enjoyed the entertainment of Farage calling the EU leadership all sorts of names, do you think they have forgot that?...
If you really want to know about the EU and why the UK has had enough of it, then this piece from Lord Digby Jones will give you a good sense of the frustration felt by the UK electorate and just how undemocratic the EU really is. But please also do your own research as there are many biased views in here, including my own.

"Europe" is something that is "done" to people; distant, remote, seemingly oblivious to the daily lives, worries, aspirations and needs of real people in the real world, the unelected, unaccountable, anonymous, handsomely remunerated Bureaucrats in Brussels have no legitimacy in the eyes of the 520 million citizens whose lives they affect in so many ways every day. Democratically-elected governments can be voted out of office on a predictable, known basis; those grey, hidden stalwarts of Officialdom in the Berlaymont have no need to worry what electorates think; their emotional intelligence is irrelevant; they can get on with spending other people's money as they mess up wealth-creation, enterprise and global competitiveness in their unrelenting mission of "doing Europe" to people." Lord Digby http://www.digbylordjones.com/why-i-am-voting-to-leave-the-eu.html
Quoting zerotmoal
very ready Yes , so that's why the greek doing protests right now , and italy is facing economic problems , of course and spain , and their outside politics is ruined with Russia or UK or turkey , even with USA , politics or economy both in the same line are mess with the EU under this people controlling it now.

And i am wondering what will happen to them when the UK start withdrawing their liquidity from the EU , as what happened 3 years ago when the swiss banks decided something like that , yes they are very ready !!!
I take it you are sceptical of EU future?
You list several problems...
So what??

Each one of these - italy, Greece... Can take a hike.
The union will be better without.


Or do you suggest EU must bow to every PMSing person/country /party??

I think an union is stronger because it's union. Not because crazy countries make it.

Ideas??
Beware of robber banks (RB), bad advisors.
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Quoting glenngie
{...of names, do you think they have forgot that?...
I do think the EU will make sure the UK is "punished" of sorts. Of course I have heard about all the stupid EU rules including what teapots you could and couldn't use.....and of course immigration.....I see why the UK voted to leave....
Hi
The immigration issue, my friend, is entirely British doing.
Check the numbers... 150000 EU entrants but 200000 non/EU. Oooops. :0 😵
Bunch of.... errr misleading words..... while Cameron /May ran the show.......errr what's new???

Go years back - super generous social benefits, handouts........ Errrr who created these couch -potatoes?? And dragged millions migrants ??
And why - low wages.!!! Because this saves money (say 7000 annually for 1 man) in a business. The fact that public finance etc benefits are stretching into TRILLIONS ....is irrelevant for the business who pays the politicians .

School system destroyed, which noone mentioned above....errr skill shortage SURPRISE !!!
All good business - privatized, money in someone's pockets...... Errr why poor country???
Then what Cliff said....
Bad times
Beware of robber banks (RB), bad advisors.
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I find this whole thing hilarious given the history between UK and Europe and how so many are getting beaten up over trivial issues.

Infact I doubt over the 1000's of years of history this blip will register on the pages of time.

If the UK was serious about the EU it would have adopted the Euro and not retained the pound.
EU says 'everything is ready' for Brexit trigger so get on with it
ONE MUST LEARN, DO IT AND IT WILL BE KIND TO YOU
and while they about it tell france to pay back the money they owe to Britain from the last war they reneged on
ONE MUST LEARN, DO IT AND IT WILL BE KIND TO YOU
do you guys think the price was already fixed ever since the vote in june? Anybody think that when its triggered it will actually go up in value?
  • Comment #16
  • Mar 20, 2017 10:35pm Mar 20, 2017 10:35pm
Quoting cyguy
do you guys think the price was already fixed ever since the vote in june? Anybody think that when its triggered it will actually go up in value?
I think you are the only person on here that's offered a thought rather than just wanting an argument over the pros and cons of leaving.

No, I don't think it will rise the day it is triggered. However I believe the idea that the majority of the bad scenario is priced in is correct. Within the next few months once people get a further understanding / clarification of what can be achieved within Europe and outside they will start to buy as undervalued GBP well before any deal is announced. This is the perfect contrarian deal at the moment. No matter what people believe whether this is a good idea, the UK is honestly one of the few countries in the world with decent infra structure and law and order (meaning they can move forward with anyone willing to work with them and no matter what they say people will be knocking at the door, theres money on the table). No matter what you hear in the news how bad the NHS is etc, please travel to other first world countries or any other country and you will see that the grass is not always greener on the other side, everyone has their problems. With that everyone has prospects, the UK has many positive prospects wether people want to take about them or not.

I cant really see that there will ever be a better time to buy GBP long term than over the next year. I also believe with the US starting to raise rates over the next few years, the rest of the western world will have to follow if not raise, tighten. You have already seen the rhetoric change with just one recent rate rise. Then the further the US gets down the rate rising in the next few years all the money that has flowed into the emerging markets like Aus and the brics since the GFC will start to flow back to the west. The returns in these countries are getting lower and as the returns in the US and UK, Europe raise there is going to be a serious flight of money from these places back to the western countries.
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  • Comment #17
  • Mar 20, 2017 10:43pm Mar 20, 2017 10:43pm
Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} Interesting point.. As you know the EU takes no part in the healthcare policies of its member states..Except to create and maintain a system of mutual cover for EU citizens travelling and resident in other EU countries... a work in progress. I was amused that you made reference to the Teapot issue. As an American you will have been exposed almost exclusively to English Language UK Media coverage of the EU. Who are deeply political and historically euroskeptic. In the matter of the much maligned myth of EU "Regulations"... It is...
thanks..very informative.......where do you see the pound heading?
  • Comment #18
  • Mar 20, 2017 11:54pm Mar 20, 2017 11:54pm
Quoting lasty
I find this whole thing hilarious given the history between UK and Europe and how so many are getting beaten up over trivial issues. Infact I doubt over the 1000's of years of history this blip will register on the pages of time. If the UK was serious about the EU it would have adopted the Euro and not retained the pound.
good point mate
ONE MUST LEARN, DO IT AND IT WILL BE KIND TO YOU
  • Comment #19
  • Mar 21, 2017 12:22am Mar 21, 2017 12:22am
Quoting glenngie
{quote} thanks..very informative.......where do you see the pound heading?
And on another note, anyone think we'll be looking at stupidly large spreads again (as we saw during the vote for Brexit)?
Quoting Not-KPMG
{quote} Hi The immigration issue, my friend, is entirely British doing. ..... Go years back - super generous social benefits, handouts........ Errrr who created these couch -potatoes??...
There is no doubt that we shot ourselves in the foot.
Carbon-Dioxide: the gas of life!
The Euro is a manipulated currency and its nation is everything than united.

Manipulators who are mostly central banks and at top of them the SNB!! are keeping this failure Euro currency from falling.

Today early morning, all major currencies falling vs $ except the manipulated Euro spiked 60 pips up for no reason!!
Quoting Kalamegdan
.... Today early morning, all major currencies falling vs $ except the manipulated Euro spiked 60 pips up for no reason!!
That was probably some car dealership paying for their latest consignment of BMW or Mercedes limousines
Carbon-Dioxide: the gas of life!
Just do one thing close your all in hand buy/sell position before Brexit or 29 March , start trade again in Ist week of April.
Quoting Exodus
{quote} That was probably some car dealership paying for their latest consignment of BMW or Mercedes limousines
Hahaha...yea and their boss first name is Thomas family name Jordan 😀
Ricky Gervais got it right. Take the warning label off bleach and have another referendum after 2 years.
Gone to a better place
  • Comment #26
  • Edited 8:37am Mar 21, 2017 7:12am | Edited 8:37am
Quoting lasty
I find this whole thing hilarious given the history between UK and Europe and how so many are getting beaten up over trivial issues. Infact I doubt over the 1000's of years of history this blip will register on the pages of time. If the UK was serious about the EU it would have adopted the Euro and not retained the pound.
Good points @lasty
On the adoption of the Euro however. Many here will have forgotten that the UK DID TRY to joint the Euro.
It was UK Conservative government policy in the early 90s.
We entered the ERM, the convergence mechanism designed to establish a "Fix" on the various different currencies of the applicant nations.
Unfortunately, due to our unbelievable incompetence and self delusion, the peg was set too high.
As a result the GBP was targeted and destroyed by international speculators..
in a spectacularly disastrous run on the GBP.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Wednesday

I laugh when I read/hear how "clever" we were not to join the Euro.
Not true.. We TRIED..and FAILED.
Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} Good points @lasty On the adoption of the Euro.. Many here will have forgotten that the UK DID TRY to joint the Euro. It was UK Conservative government policy in the early 90s. We entered the ERM, the convergence mechanism designed to establish a "Fix" on the various different currencies of the applicant nations. Unfortunately, due to our unbelievable incompetence and self delusion, the peg was set too high. As a result the GBP was targeted and destroyed by international speculators.. in a spectacularly disastrous run on the GBP....
Yes and what a mistake that was to join the ERM.... Something set up purely to benefit Germany and prevent the Deutsche mark from appreciating.
Quoting Rexz
{quote} Yes and what a mistake that was to join the ERM.... Something set up purely to benefit Germany and prevent the Deutsche mark from appreciating.
And Germany was doing so badly in 1990?
Passing the US to become the worlds biggest exporter?
a role it continued untill couple of years ago when passed by China?

In your narrative it appears ERM was of course nothing to do with the advantages and economic kickstart that extending the AAA status of German debt to less fortunate European countries with micky mouse politically manipulated currencies, to the advantage of all?
Interesting conspiracy theory.though.. LoL
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} If you really want to know about the EU and why the UK has had enough of it, then this piece from Lord Digby Jones will give you a good sense of the frustration felt by the UK electorate and just how undemocratic the EU really is. But please also do your own research as there are many biased views in here, including my own. "Europe" is something that is "done" to people; distant, remote, seemingly oblivious to the daily lives, worries, aspirations and needs of real people in the real world, the unelected, unaccountable,...
Do you really abide by the opinion of the (unelected) Lord Digby Jones?
Gone to a better place
Quoting smikester
{quote} Do you really abide by the opinion of the (unelected) Lord Digby Jones?
I don't see why someone has to be elected in order to have an understanding of the EU or to have a valid opinion of the EU. What, within his view of the EU is incorrect? Please support with facts and evidence
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} I don't see why someone has to be elected in order to have an understanding of the EU or to have a valid opinion of the EU. What, within his view of the EU is incorrect? Please support with facts and evidence
I think you understand my meaning.
Gone to a better place
Quoting smikester
{quote} I think you understand my meaning.
Oh he does ..(understand)
Just cant justify.
Quoting smikester
{quote} I think you understand my meaning.
Fine
Quoting cliffedwards
We in Uk are logistically entirely understaffed, underskilled and ill prepared for these negotiations. We have tried to recruit Commonwealth nations negotiators to train staff... IMHO, We are seriously behind the 8 ball here. We need to stop whistling in the wind and take that on board. And for sure the politicians are sure not helping.
Hey Cliff, some people may be understaffed and under skilled , not me though , nor many , many others , profits are booming thanks , with 82% of the profits coming from outside the UK. It will be great to see the F1 grid line up on the 24th (20 of the 22 cars made in the UK, Mercedes engines made in the UK, all designed here too.

There are many who just can't accept we've already left, many were left with an abacus when the computer came along (still got mine, its a bit rusty but I love it like a walk down memory lane

So no, I'm ready , as is the company , based in the UK, paying taxes in the UK to Her Majesty's Government

Huzzah for England and the Queen !!
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} I don't see why someone has to be elected in order to have an understanding of the EU or to have a valid opinion of the EU. What, within his view of the EU is incorrect? Please support with facts and evidence
More chance of little cliffy proving he's an alpha male.
Quoting jen101
{quote} More chance of little cliffy proving he's an alpha male.
He is like a Eunuch in a Harem without his plagiarised material
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} He is like a Eunuch in a Harem without his plagiarised material
And you my Irish Friend.. with your agenda of hate, xenophobia and pretendBrit Europhobia.
In your desperation to find friends in our UK society? LoL
add another nail to your AdHominem abuse record.
What a dope.. You always fall for it..LoL
Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} And you my Irish Friend.. with your agenda of hate, xenophobia and pretendBrit Europhobia. In your desperation to find friends in our UK society? LoL add another nail to your AdHominem abuse record. What a dope.. You always fall for it..LoL
You really can't do wisecracks and banter can you? I guess those are pretty hard to plagiarise, so you're at a loss. Never mind, there are always insults! Yawn. Little cliffy, that is just not cool.
Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} And you my Irish Friend.. with your agenda of hate, xenophobia and pretendBrit Europhobia. In your desperation to find friends in our UK society? LoL add another nail to your AdHominem abuse record. What a dope.. You always fall for it..LoL
I would rather have an Irishman like Devauxt as a friend than a fellow Brit like you. I don't think I have seen one nice thing said about the UK from you. I see you profile says you are trading from Switzerland? Does that mean you have left the UK? You talk about "OUR UK" but then look down your nose at it from a European view point. Make up your mind...
Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} And you my Irish Friend..
why do you keep bring up the Irish thing would you do the some to a Indian National or a Ghanaian National dose National take away from someones opinion to you?? and the funny thing is you have the nerve to call him xenophobia well just like Joseph Goebbels used to say (accuse the other side of that of which you are guilty) i think you are the only person hear that's been xenophobia
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