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  • Comment #1
  • Mar 19, 2017 12:08am Mar 19, 2017 12:08am
The man does not have a clue
  • Comment #2
  • Mar 19, 2017 1:18am Mar 19, 2017 1:18am
DJT thinks everything is a transaction, a deal to either win or lose.
"If The Fool persists in his Folly he will become wise." - William Blake
  • Comment #3
  • Mar 19, 2017 3:49am Mar 19, 2017 3:49am
will not be stop till he has the U.S. in another War
  • Comment #4
  • Mar 19, 2017 4:09am Mar 19, 2017 4:09am
If this continues and its not just words as they are right now, if he somehow gets the Congress to pass legislation for this and other stuff he is talking about he might literally bring the US down, its starting i would say slowly with people all over the world protesting them but its small now.

However think what happens when you start associating Trump and his hate for minorities and such, when all think of that as American. Its bye bye favorable conditions for American business and products after all the world at large is not all that racist and does have many differences of opinion with the Republican Party in particular. Its just that until now America did not have a President that... well, was so brutally honest about this... so people did not notice.

I think if Trump actually does what he says and manages to pass legislation for what he is saying(unlikely but then again so was him winning) he will start the fall of the US because they worked so hard for so long to build up their reputation and it was declining with the wars but now they have this leader who simply doesn`t care about keeping any decorum, he just tells it like it is which is pretty bad for the US image. Combine it with the cuts in foreign aid and basically America is going isolationist.
  • Comment #5
  • Mar 19, 2017 4:09am Mar 19, 2017 4:09am
hahaha trumpy dumpy , good dumb american great representation.
  • Comment #6
  • Mar 19, 2017 4:16am Mar 19, 2017 4:16am
Quoting alexandru987
If this continues and its not just words as they are right now, if he somehow gets the Congress to pass legislation for this and other stuff he is talking about he might literally bring the US down, its starting i would say slowly with people all over the world protesting them but its small now. However think what happens when you start associating Trump and his hate for minorities and such, when all think of that as American. Its bye bye favorable conditions for American business and products after all the world at large is not all that racist...

good for trump go for it man
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  • Comment #7
  • Mar 19, 2017 4:22am Mar 19, 2017 4:22am
What happened to winding up NATO?
  • Comment #8
  • Mar 19, 2017 5:19am Mar 19, 2017 5:19am
Quoting ultra99
What happened to winding up NATO?
Germany has been told to pay uppppppppppppppppp and other nato allies have been told to pay up and America has decided to charge more for their nato participation come on trump give the elitists a pounding
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  • Comment #9
  • Mar 19, 2017 5:24am Mar 19, 2017 5:24am
just a note >>>>>>> NATO has been skimming AMERICA for a long time
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Quoting Aussi
just a note >>>>>>> NATO has been skimming AMERICA for a long time
Australias major threat in the SE Asia theater is China.
IISS reports China 2015 spent 200Bn USD.
IISS reports Australia spent circa 20Bn. in USD.

Europe only major threat in The European theater is Russia.
IISS reports Russia 2015 spent 65bn USD
IISS reports the major nations in Europe alone spent over 150bn USD

Dont you feel its Australia that has the defense response problem rather than Europe.
Would you like to comment on your own inadequate spending response.

Just asking.
Quoting cliffedwards
Europe only major threat in The European theater is Russia.
I think you may have drunk too much Kool-Aid at breakfast, Cliff. As the saying goes, Russia doesn't tend to start wars, but they do finish them.
Quoting ultra99
{quote} I think you may have drunk too much Kool-Aid at breakfast, Cliff. As the saying goes, Russia doesn't tend to start wars, but they do finish them.
hey Ultra99.
Try answering the question ..
and stop trying to be a smart aleck.

Since I see you are a neighbour Im being nice..
See were back to discussing Tweets?
Government by Tweet?

Summing up multifaceted problems in simplistic rhetoric, (140 characters??) is something that politicians do when they need to gather votes while appealing to the lowest common denominator.

And boy has Mr Trump cornered THAT market.. LoL
  • Comment #14
  • Edited 8:44am Mar 19, 2017 7:19am | Edited 8:44am
Stop the fake fact tweets
Have a nice day
I don't think any nation can match all the foreign aid the US gives out. The nations that can afford their own defense should do so. However, the problem is ..that Israel gets the largest % of aid. So if an Admin. cuts that then they are perceived to be anti Israel. When natural disasters happen, who usually steps up to the plate...? The US and it's citizens....by far the biggest private donations on the whole come from the US.
  • Comment #16
  • Mar 19, 2017 10:55am Mar 19, 2017 10:55am
Ha the man spits in the face of the globlist agenda. Love it. We had a lot less problems when we had our own little clans. Pre w.w...Germany fudged up they should pay more.
Thanks I do this often.
  • Comment #17
  • Mar 19, 2017 11:05am Mar 19, 2017 11:05am
Quoting cliffedwards
See were back to discussing Tweets? Government by Tweet? Summing up multifaceted problems in simplistic rhetoric, (140 characters??) is something that politicians do when they need to gather votes while appealing to the lowest common denominator. And boy has Mr Trump cornered THAT market.. LoL
It's not rhetoric, it's a campaign promise to cut out the middle man (fake news) and bring what he says directly to the people. I think this is the way it should have been done by every potious....thank God Obama loved getting stroked by the press.
Thanks I do this often.
  • Comment #18
  • Mar 19, 2017 11:57am Mar 19, 2017 11:57am
Wouldn't surprise me if he starts backdating some 1945 reparations!
Quoting Derivative92
Wouldn't surprise me if he starts backdating some 1945 reparations!
Yep it's a sad day when you can bomb and trash most of the world and then be forced to pay. They said sorry isn't that enough? The u.n. was formed from there own doings so logicly they should pay more than 1.2% of it's gdp
Thanks I do this often.
Quoting charterjoe
{quote} Yep it's a sad day when you can bomb and trash most of the world and then be forced to pay. They said sorry isn't that enough? The u.n. was formed from there own doings so logicly they should pay more than 1.2% of it's gdp
Europe only major threat in The European theater is Russia.
IISS reports Russia 2015 spent 65bn USD
IISS reports the major nations in Europe alone spent over 150bn USD
Why should be necessary to spend more?
You really understand how other European countries would feel about Germany deploying a military capability in line with its economic strength? Really?

Note: US deployments in Europe 2016 ..almost 100,000.
European Union deployment.. almost 1,900,000
Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} Australias major threat in the SE Asia theater is China. IISS reports China 2015 spent 200Bn USD. IISS reports Australia spent circa 20Bn. in USD. Europe only major threat in The European theater is Russia. IISS reports Russia 2015 spent 65bn USD IISS reports the major nations in Europe alone spent over 150bn USD Dont you feel its Australia that has the defense response problem rather than Europe. Would you like to comment on your own inadequate spending response. Just asking.
Europe cliff is asking other nations from around the world to defend it >>>>> from what

perhaps AUSTRALIA feels we don't want to be a war monger's like America and Europe
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Easy to say when your separated thousands of miles of water in every direction from those who hate your way of life, and feel blessed from God to destroy you. Other countries are not as fortunate....
Thanks I do this often.
Quoting Aussi
{quote} Europe cliff is asking other nations from around the world to defend it >>>>> from what perhaps AUSTRALIA feels we don't want to be a war monger's like America and Europe
With an average strength of 43,667 personnel: 29,366 permanent (regular) and 14,301 active reservists (part-time).. you are lecturing Europeans on their military deployment decisions? The top 4 European countries together spend almost 8 time as much as Australia.
Quoting cliffedwards
{quote} With an average strength of 43,667 personnel: 29,366 permanent (regular) and 14,301 active reservists (part-time).. you are lecturing Europeans on their military deployment decisions? The top 4 European countries together spend almost 8 time as much as Australia.
not lecturing any one it seems that's what you are doing , Europeans cant protect them selves is that what I am saying , French lost 3 wars Germany lost 2 wars I could keep going
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Quoting glenngie
I don't think any nation can match all the foreign aid the US gives out. The nations that can afford their own defense should do so. However, the problem is ..that Israel gets the largest % of aid. So if an Admin. cuts that then they are perceived to be anti Israel. When natural disasters happen, who usually steps up to the plate...? The US and it's citizens....by far the biggest private donations on the whole come from the US.
why does israel get so much % aid from them?
Quoting vasalahaimer
{quote} why does israel get so much % aid from them?

because the Muslim nations want to kill them all
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Quoting vasalahaimer
{quote} why does israel get so much % aid from them?
Because without it they would be destroyed, and the US needs an Ali in that area.
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Quoting Aussi
{quote} Europe cliff is asking other nations from around the world to defend it >>>>> from what perhaps AUSTRALIA feels we don't want to be a war monger's like America and Europe
Not sure if you are a fascist or just an idiot, Europe is not asking others to defend it, NATO was made to counter the URSS and kept because why not be allies, what is wrong with that?

The only time NATO was called on was for the USA on 9/11. That is it. So Trump claiming the US does too much for NATO, due to that and many other aspects.... is stupid.
Quoting Aussi
{quote} not lecturing any one it seems that's what you are doing , Europeans cant protect them selves is that what I am saying , French lost 3 wars Germany lost 2 wars I could keep going
Right... we all remember that time Europe was under occupation by another country... o wait it was from Germany another European country.

Europe can defend itself, hell they could conquer Australia just by looking at it... but they consider an alliance is better because you know, World Wars are not 1 versus 1, the enemy tends to gather allies.

NATO is just there to make Russia and China or N. Korea and so on think twice about attacking any NATO member, then think another time because they would just lose.
Quoting alexandru987
{quote} Right... we all remember that time Europe was under occupation by another country... o wait it was from Germany another European country. Europe can defend itself, hell they could conquer Australia just by looking at it... but they consider an alliance is better because you know, World Wars are not 1 versus 1, the enemy tends to gather allies. NATO is just there to make Russia and China or N. Korea and so on think twice about attacking any NATO member, then think another time because they would just lose.
so if Germany is so strong as you say why cant it do without America and let me say cant see Russia or china come to that could lose , when it only takes a few mins to put one bomb on Germany
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Quoting Aussi
{quote} so if Germany is so strong as you say why cant it do without America and let me say cant see Russia or china come to that could lose , when it only takes a few mins to put one bomb on Germany
Stop trolling, you know why, bigger alliance = less risk for all. Doesn`t mean individual members can`t do it, its just safer and better in an Alliance, that way you attack Germany you attack all of Europe, makes the risk of conflict a lot smaller because Putin or well any leader knows its suicide to attack.

Its what kept the peace for so long, at least in terms of major wars in Europe. So its working, remember what was before NATO.
Quoting alexandru987
{quote} Stop trolling, you know why, bigger alliance = less risk for all. Doesn`t mean individual members can`t do it, its just safer and better in an Alliance, that way you attack Germany you attack all of Europe, makes the risk of conflict a lot smaller because Putin or well any leader knows its suicide to attack. Its what kept the peace for so long, at least in terms of major wars in Europe. So its working, remember what was before NATO.
stop trolling ????? seems you got more to say than me , nato is a big bully , which as taken over from Germany and look what happened to them
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Quoting alexandru987
{quote} Stop trolling, you know why, bigger alliance = less risk for all. Doesn`t mean individual members can`t do it, its just safer and better in an Alliance, that way you attack Germany you attack all of Europe, makes the risk of conflict a lot smaller because Putin or well any leader knows its suicide to attack. Its what kept the peace for so long, at least in terms of major wars in Europe. So its working, remember what was before NATO.
NATO is nothing but a money sucking scam. People are starting to wake up about this fact.
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The 2% defence investment guideline. In 2006, NATO member countries agreed to commit a minimum of two per cent of their Gross Domestic Product (GDP) to spending on defence. This guideline principally served as an indicator of a country's political will to contribute to the Alliance's common defence efforts.Jan 19, 2017

Germany reneging on their commitment is basically whats going on here .
Quoting PaulDaemon
{quote} NATO is nothing but a money sucking scam. People are starting to wake up about this fact.
Only because people look at NATO and think "they are not doing anything" and that its a bad thing. If they have to do something... it means a war started.

That is their purpose, to be so overwhelmingly strong nobody gets any ideas about starting a war vs their member states. It`s say they do that role well and have kept the peace for a long time again, in their member states, not on the whole planet.

If your worry is money, NATO is again the best option because wars are a lot more expensive...

I mean how are people not seeing this? Trump doesn`t because well he was never known to be a thinker, but the people here should be traders with analytical thinking skills.
  • Comment #36
  • Mar 19, 2017 10:05pm Mar 19, 2017 10:05pm
War is more costly no doubt a very large chunk of the US deficit in the last 25 or so year is due to the cost of wars and replenishing equipment and arms bomb and more .. after all something not many like to think about much is the fact that Isis Army got its start from US and other countrys Equipment left in the dessert when they pulled out of war in Iraq Tank Truck and more they didn't want to pay to haul back out of the dessert and repair refurbish.
  • Comment #37
  • Mar 19, 2017 10:59pm Mar 19, 2017 10:59pm
Quoting alexandru987
{quote} Only because people look at NATO and think "they are not doing anything" and that its a bad thing. If they have to do something... it means a war started. That is their purpose, to be so overwhelmingly strong nobody gets any ideas about starting a war vs their member states. It`s say they do that role well and have kept the peace for a long time again, in their member states, not on the whole planet. If your worry is money, NATO is again the best option because wars are a lot more expensive... I mean how are people not seeing this?...

you joke yes
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  • Comment #38
  • Mar 19, 2017 10:59pm Mar 19, 2017 10:59pm
Quoting alexandru987
{quote} Only because people look at NATO and think "they are not doing anything" and that its a bad thing. If they have to do something... it means a war started. That is their purpose, to be so overwhelmingly strong nobody gets any ideas about starting a war vs their member states. It`s say they do that role well and have kept the peace for a long time again, in their member states, not on the whole planet. If your worry is money, NATO is again the best option because wars are a lot more expensive... I mean how are people not seeing this?...
There has been continuous war in the middle east since the 90's, looks like Nato are doing a good job keeping them self employed.

Who do you think is funding isis. The farmers union??? no... Its Nato.
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  • Comment #39
  • Mar 20, 2017 12:08am Mar 20, 2017 12:08am
Quoting PaulDaemon
{quote} There has been continuous war in the middle east since the 90's, looks like Nato are doing a good job keeping them self employed. Who do you think is funding isis. The farmers union??? no... Its Nato.
NATO is funding ISIS? Really? Share some sources... credible sources not crazy people blogs. As far as i know ISIS mostly had oil and was taxing the people in its controlled territories for money. They don`t have much, but then again they don`t have much military hardware, just crazy infantry.

Also the Middle East is not NATO`s job, never was, they only went there due to the US requesting it after 9/11.

Its like every war on the Planet is NATO, well its not, NATO was made to stop wars in Europe, specifically the NATO members in Europe. They did. It works. Before NATO you basically had war after war between said countries. Next you will blame Africa on NATO too, get real, learn a bit who does what... NATO is not the UN.

As for Trump, if he wants to remove the US from the most powerful military alliance ever made, he can go for it, there is no actual reason to do so, but he can do it. The further the USA pulls back maybe somebody will finally question them on their Oil Wars in the Middle East.

Isolation and nationalism have worked great in the past, so great only fascists and dictators used them anymore, but i`m guessing the new generations need to relearn that particular lesson, just hope we all survive the process.
  • Comment #40
  • Mar 20, 2017 12:14am Mar 20, 2017 12:14am
Quoting alexandru987
{quote} NATO is funding ISIS? Really? Share some sources... credible sources not crazy people blogs. As far as i know ISIS mostly had oil and was taxing the people in its controlled territories for money. They don`t have much, but then again they don`t have much military hardware, just crazy infantry. Also the Middle East is not NATO`s job, never was, they only went there due to the US requesting it after 9/11. Its like every war on the Planet is NATO, well its not, NATO was made to stop wars in Europe, specifically the NATO members in Europe. They...
I am 66years old and during that time the world as learnt nothing and nato is a war machine =war , when nato pushs Russia = war , I lived in a time the nuke was being pushed and nato is the same
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Quoting Aussi
just a note >>>>>>> NATO has been skimming AMERICA for a long time
True, it's just a shame Cliff can't stick to the subject of the tread (NATO) but tries to alter the subject and put it back on you, all the while, having a history of lecturing others about THEIR forum participation.
Come with me if you want to live....
Quoting Aussi
{quote} I am 66years old and during that time the world as learnt nothing and nato is a war machine =war , when nato pushs Russia = war , I lived in a time the nuke was being pushed and nato is the same
Congratulations!!

After 66 years....and how many left???... you are stuck in this topic on Trump, Nato etc???
But that's not the congratulations part

The big lifetime achievement is - you made it.... to my ignore list
You can tell stories to your kids about it
Beware of robber banks (RB), bad advisors.
Quoting Aussi
{quote} I am 66years old and during that time the world as learnt nothing and nato is a war machine =war , when nato pushs Russia = war , I lived in a time the nuke was being pushed and nato is the same
NATO is the war machine because you are scared of war that never happened.... meanwhile before NATO you had 2 World Wars in 20 years and well it wasn`t all that peaceful before.

Since NATO the same countries, the NATO members had 0 wars but somehow NATO is all about war.

To be honest talking to you here i`m starting to understand the Trump mentality better, its not about what is real, its about what they THINK is real...

Also the Russia war, fearing them is not a good way either, NATO will not invade them, nobody in Europe wants that and Putin knows it, however it is showing they don`t fear Russia either, a good balance. With literally zero chance to win Putin is not dumb to start WW3, so all he can do is hope nationalism takes over and the EU and NATO and all the alliances disband so he can then start to have a shot.

But you have fun dreaming, asked you for proof of past claims all you do is make bold claims with no proof, again, helping me understand who actually supports Trump and his bold claims with no proof... have a nice day and thank you for the help! (will no longer reply here)
Quoting alexandru987
{quote} NATO is the war machine because you are scared of war that never happened.... meanwhile before NATO you had 2 World Wars in 20 years and well it wasn`t all that peaceful before. Since NATO the same countries, the NATO members had 0 wars but somehow NATO is all about war. To be honest talking to you here i`m starting to understand the Trump mentality better, its not about what is real, its about what they THINK is real... Also the Russia war, fearing them is not a good way either, NATO will not invade them, nobody in Europe wants that and...


hhah hehehaha guess what I don't understand your question and im Australian and trump is American just in case you didn't know the clue is in the name AUSSI
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Quoting Aussi
{quote} hhah hehehaha guess what I don't understand your question and im Australian and trump is American just in case you didn't know the clue is in the name AUSSI
Got it the first time i read your name but you are more or less using the same talking points, the fictional ones that never happened in this reality... maybe you dislike Trump and just share his alternate reality but its still fiction, just like NATO funding ISIS or NATO starting wars, i mean i know you might believe they are true somehow, but at least like do a basic google search before posting fiction here, that was my point.
Quoting alexandru987
{quote} Got it the first time i read your name but you are more or less using the same talking points, the fictional ones that never happened in this reality... maybe you dislike Trump and just share his alternate reality but its still fiction, just like NATO funding ISIS or NATO starting wars, i mean i know you might believe they are true somehow, but at least like do a basic google search before posting fiction here, that was my point.
I got your point in the first message your anti trump and anti truth about nato
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World population now 7.5 billion. G8 countries population about 13%. Since 1946 some key developed countries managed 'world' economic affairs in such a way as to promote living standards in very many countries and along the way and promote even better living standards in their own countries.

Japan, USA, France, Germany, Canada and wider EU have all acted to protect their own domestic sectors all the way along for 60 years. This is why the GATT and WTO rounds have always taken years to resolve because of the vested interests of the rich and powerful countries.

And many less developed countries have been accessories through weak commitments to the foundations of democracy - making it easier for the organised 'few' to preserve their priveledged positions. But over the past 25 years things have been altering pretty rapidly to undermine the G8. The momentum of these later trends is not going to slow down.

It is ludicrous for Trump to try to take the high ground when the USA has subsidised its own agriculture sector for decades at the expense of other countries with relative comparative advantage in agricultural production. WTO has its own mechanism for 'fairness' and USA should go there with its grievances and not grab the whole world by the collar. The NATO issue is really a side show of this bigger trade issue.

Signs that the G8 are arguing amongst themselves is a sign that the momentum threats referred to are there and won't go away.
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