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  • UK Prime Minister David Cameron announces his resignation to take effect in October, with no precise timetable

He also said that a new Leader will be in place by October...
PrittiPatel4PM !
Hasty!!! Should have waited and help facilitate his people's wish.
Do your homework, follow the footprints of smart money
shouldn't the pound tank now?
Quoting Liquidsnake
shouldn't the pound tank now?
lol, WHAT????.....

That's either the funniest or silliest thing I have ever heard on FF

I can't decide which.....
Come with me if you want to live....
Yes it should of tanked will tank when us opens ...obama will punish the pound for not listening to his advise.
average dude treading water
Quoting Ill-b-back
lol, WHAT????.....

That's either the funniest or silliest thing I have ever heard on FF

I can't decide which.....
thanks for your contribution, dick face. do you see camerons resignation as GBP strenght?
322 readers,

what are we all reading??

There's no article
Come with me if you want to live....
Quoting Liquidsnake
shouldn't the pound tank now?
It has! I made 2000 pips on GBP/JPY alone!
Quoting ThunderHeart
It has! I made 2000 pips on GBP/JPY alone!
tanked i meant weakening against the use upon the announcement
Quoting Liquidsnake
thanks for your contribution, dick face
We dropped from 1.5 to 1.32

if that's not "tanked", what is???

Fuck me, get a life arsehole and take a joke
Come with me if you want to live....
Quoting Liquidsnake
thanks for your contribution, dick face. do you see camerons resignation as GBP strenght?
You think Camerons resignation trumps Brexit in terms of Forex market reaction??

We have just priced in 3 years of Fed rate hikes and more

Do you think Camerons resignation is going to just keep this 1800 pip straight line bearish move going without a retrace??

Bloody Hell, and I thought I was clueless
Come with me if you want to live....
Quoting Ill-b-back
We dropped from 1.5 to 1.32

if that's not "tanked", what is???

Fuck me, get a life arsehole and take a joke

i was talking from the moment cameron announced his resignation, my question was, shouldn't the pound weakening against the usd instead of strengthening (200pips). i was talking about the very last 15min and not the last 5 hours.

get a life? your the one wasting your time writing a BS answer for no real reason, so perhaps your the one that should reevaluate your living situation.
Quoting Liquidsnake
tanked i meant weakening against the use upon the announcement
Oh I see! Yeah I think the big move already happened. I bought long and made another 230 pips on that move alone. But I am mostly out now until next week and the dust settles. Remember Spain has their elections tomorrow, and I am sure there will be a gap over the weekend as a result.
Quoting Ill-b-back
We have just priced in 3 years of Fed rate hikes and more

Do you think Camerons resignation is going to just keep this 1800 pip straight line bearish move going without a retrace??
thats the answer you should have given the first time i asked. wasn't that hard, was it?

thunderheart, thanks for your op
Quoting Liquidsnake
i was talking from the moment cameron announced his resignation, my question was, shouldn't the pound weakening against the usd instead of strengthening (200pips). i was talking about the very last 15min and not the last 5 hours.

get a life? your the one wasting your time writing a BS answer for no real reason, so perhaps your the one that should reevaluate your living situation.
You write a silly question, you get a silly answer...
I'm home after work on a Friday evening drinking Bourbon while waiting for my wife and Pizza to arrive.

yeah I got a life buddy
Come with me if you want to live....
we should wait for us open market and see the result of this decision
Quoting Liquidsnake
thats the answer you should have given the first time i asked. wasn't that hard, was it?

thunderheart, thanks for your op
Honestly, I thought it was obvious, when have you seen such a move before on this pair (or any pair other than the swissy).
I honestly thought what you said was strange given the monstrous move we just experienced, I didn't intend any malice
Come with me if you want to live....
Quoting Ill-b-back
Honestly, I thought it was obvious, when have you seen such a move before on this pair (or any pair other than the swissy).
I honestly thought what you said was strange given the monstrous move we just experienced, I didn't intend any malice
i haven't really seen a move this sharp, wasn't trading back in 2008 so i have few references.
...anyhow, back to subject, as of now, cable is 590 from its lowest low this day. doesn't that count for a decent retracement?
Quoting Liquidsnake
...anyhow, back to subject, as of now, cable is 590 from its lowest low this day. doesn't that count for a decent retracement?
I'm thinking 1.4350
BTW, this move trumps any single daily candle range seen during the GFC, so you haven't missed much
Come with me if you want to live....
Quoting Ill-b-back
I'm thinking 1.4350
BTW, this move trumps any single daily candle range seen during the GFC, so you haven't missed much
cheers!
great news
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Guys the big looser from all that referendum is (GBP) but guess who is the big winner !!!! GOLD??? YEN?? No No No the biggest winner Vlademir Putin lol
Heartbreaking when you watch the emotional speaks. But in fact a very wise decision to do so.
Quoting liquidsnake
i was talking from the moment cameron announced his resignation, my question was, shouldn't the pound weakening against the usd instead of strengthening (200pips). I was talking about the very last 15min and not the last 5 hours.

Get a life? Your the one wasting your time writing a bs answer for no real reason, so perhaps your the one that should reevaluate your living situation.
Quoting ill-b-back
i'm thinking 1.4350
btw, this move trumps any single daily candle range seen during the gfc, so you haven't missed much
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people leave, but this thread will go on for ever
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Guys we must to wait Wall Sreet (volume of trade will increase ) and then keep eyes open for today ( Friday ) daily close before week end . Good Luck
Who gives a shit about the pound, FTSE or whatever! We have our freedom, independence and democracy back. We are free from communist rule. We have got rid of the worst PM in living memory, a lying traitor. Europe will implode now and this is what we think............................. Up yours and Byeeeee!!!

https://youtu.be/nkc1hOcMAi4
Quoting jen101
Who gives a shit about the pound, FTSE or whatever! We have our freedom, independence and democracy back. We are free from communist rule. We have got rid of the worst PM in living memory, a lying traitor. Europe will implode now and this is what we think............................. Up yours and Byeeeee!!!

https://youtu.be/nkc1hOcMAi4

I have watch this movie many times and being a aussie I think you are right
people leave, but this thread will go on for ever
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Quoting jen101
Who gives a shit about the pound, FTSE or whatever! We have our freedom, independence and democracy back. We are free from communist rule. We have got rid of the worst PM in living memory, a lying traitor. Europe will implode now and this is what we think............................. Up yours and Byeeeee!!!

https://youtu.be/nkc1hOcMAi4
You are right those things are unimportant. The important things to watch are a) Scotland and others leaving the setup and gaining independence (Scotland and Ireland certain) b) gradual political and economic isolation and of course following that c) eventual political and economic oblivion.People die in steps mostly. Byeeeee!!!

The Crow (-_-)
Quoting jen101
Who gives a shit about the pound, FTSE or whatever! We have our freedom, independence and democracy back. We are free from communist rule. We have got rid of the worst PM in living memory, a lying traitor. Europe will implode now and this is what we think............................. Up yours and Byeeeee!!!

https://youtu.be/nkc1hOcMAi4
I already feel better now we're free of the communists again.

By the way, the film is American, starring an American doing things which didn't happen in the true story which was really about how the Nazis murdered 50 British guys because they escaped from a prisoner of war camp, the music is good but it ain't british.
It's a bit retarded conflating a dated hollywood movie filled with fake made up history to a very significant referendum which will an awful lot of people.
I voted out as well, but actually I do care what happens and I don't subscribe to 'up yours and Byeeee!!"

You're just making yourself look like a cretin. justifyably I should think.

The pound is already back to where it was a few weeks ago, if you are a trader that might be worth giving a shit about.
Don't ask me, I have no idea what's going on.
Quoting Gizzledonk
I already feel better now we're free of the communists again.

By the way, the film is American, starring an American doing things which didn't happen in the true story which was really about how the Nazis murdered 50 British guys because they escaped from a prisoner of war camp, the music is good but it ain't british.
It's a bit retarded conflating a dated hollywood movie filled with fake made up history to a very significant referendum which will an awful lot of people.
I voted out as well, but actually I do care what happens and I don't...

Dude! Seriously? Your on the same side! Enough with the vitriolic hate! We had enough for a lifetime during this referendum vote, now is the time to just savor the victory that Democracy just gifted the entire world and embrace your fellow citizen for doing the right thing! Currency value is minuscule in comparison to what just took place. As far as the movie, it was never intended to be based on facts, it was just entertainment! Have some perspective! Or are you not capable of the willingness to suspend your disbelief for a moment? It's called "aesthetic distance"!
Financial Hub became (Gran Via), I think by that time many people with give a shit then. I been there before, very amazing architecture and a big city feel but instead of financial city, you can have a good gourmet experience.
Quoting Gizzledonk
I already feel better now we're free of the communists again.

By the way, the film is American, starring an American doing things which didn't happen in the true story which was really about how the Nazis murdered 50 British guys because they escaped from a prisoner of war camp, the music is good but it ain't british.
It's a bit retarded conflating a dated hollywood movie filled with fake made up history to a very significant referendum which will an awful lot of people.
I voted out as well, but actually I do care what happens and I don't...
Why don't you extract your head from your backside for a minute, take a bit of daylight and chill? You do know how to spoil a party. So what it's an American film; what's that got to do with it? Go away, loser.
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What people aren't talking about is how oil is so sweet to buy now
Quoting Ill-b-back
We dropped from 1.5 to 1.32

if that's not "tanked", what is???

Fuck me, get a life arsehole and take a joke

1.5 to 1.32 is a tank in my book, I stand by you mate. it tanked big time.
Quoting Hurst
1.5 to 1.32 is a tank in my book, I stand by you mate. it tanked big time.
+1 for me as well and I believe more to come.
This is what I wrote 26th April

Cameron will lose his job after the referendum, win or lose. Why ? Because the political psyche has shifted and he represents a vanishing past.

Whoever replaces him will play harder ball with the Eurozone if Brexit is lost in order to address the causes that led to the need for the vote in the first place.

Alternatively, if Brexit is won, they will have the mother of all jobs trying to find a new political dispensation in a World where the UK will be less influential than has been the case for at least one past generation.

Net position ? The political turbulence and fallout from the referendum will extend well past June. GBP is in for a rollercoaster and I don't think its all the way up !
Quoting RisklessPips
Net position ? The political turbulence and fallout from the referendum will extend well past June. GBP is in for a rollercoaster and I don't think its all the way up !
The pound is cheap now; good time to invest in the UK. Good for tourists. Donald Trump is over and said it's too bad about Cameron. He's investing millions here. The sun is shining and it's a lovely day.
Quoting RisklessPips
This is what I wrote 26th April

Cameron will lose his job after the referendum, win or lose. Why ? Because the political psyche has shifted and he represents a vanishing past.

Whoever replaces him will play harder ball with the Eurozone if Brexit is lost in order to address the causes that led to the need for the vote in the first place.

Alternatively, if Brexit is won, they will have the mother of all jobs trying to find a new political dispensation in a World where the UK will be less influential than has been the case for at least one...
Disastrous day almost end. Now trader started to worry about the consequences on mid-term. I agree your view on roller coaster and as long as it holds and don't crash even more, it is already the best scenario. Roller coaster trading already the most optimistic view. Current rate trade deficit should be at somewhere from 7% to unsustainable of roughly 10%.

UK now poorer than France as pound hits 30-year low and FTSE 100 drops 5%. As I mentioned on previous post, the heavier FTSE 250 which is considered a closer barometer of the UK economy fell by 12.3% and luckily pare losses to 7.1%. How long it can hold? Nobody knows.
Interesting morning. A rainstorm in London keeps the Remainers home and gives the Exiters a 51.2% majority. Greece dn 16%, Spain dn 12%, Italy dn 11%, E1 dn 9.8%, SPY dn 3.15%

A sideline on US Treasuries: A few weeks ago some important US treasury indices were removed from listing $AXTWO, $AXFIV, $AXTEN, $AXTWEN, $AXTHR. These indices had been around for years. Then last week $DJCBTI was delisted. Thus leaving only the yield indices $IRX.X, $FVX.X, $TNX.X, $TYX.X and of course the expensive real time CME futures @US, @TY, @FV, @TU.

I'm not saying that any of this is related to Brexit but US treasuries just shot through the roof this morning and the average joe no longer has the indicators to monitor it properly. The US 30 year bond shot up from 166 to 174. In other words, much of the wealth yanked out of stocks this morning went into US treasuries (the Big boys use US Treasuries as a bank for their cash).

Anyway, have fun trading the next few weeks!
http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-...564808?SThisFB

Thought I post this, as the comparisons are too uncanny to ignore! Enjoy! I am out of here. All of you have a good weekend! See you on Monday, bright eyed and busy tail! HA! LOL!

Peace and Guinness!
isn't it great and refreshing to start afresh....??

Whatever mistakes made in the agreement with EU or other trading partners can now be avoided....as Trump says must cut a good deal..
Bad losers are standing out like a sore thumb! At least Cameron is gracious in defeat; it's a shame that some on here can't be and you're not even bloody British!

Yep, America, it's up to you next to install Trump!
Quoting jen101
Bad losers are standing out like a sore thumb! At least Cameron is gracious in defeat; it's a shame that some on here can't be and you're not even bloody British!

Yep, America, it's up to you next to install Trump!
W e w i l l do our best. Why did Wales say yes, and not Scotland and Northern Ireland?
we brits certainly have not miissed an opportunity to screw our country this time
Quoting Greenstar
W e w i l l do our best. Why did Wales say yes, and not Scotland and Northern Ireland?
The Welsh like the English; the Scots hate us. Underneath, it was really about whether you are voting for a socialist dictatorship or a capitalist free country. Scotland is socialist; they take more out of the UK then they put in. Let them have another referendum and then they can apply to join the EU themselves (but probably won't get in because they are too small). So question is why can't England have a referendum to be independent too and dump Scotland, LOL.
Quoting ahyau
isn't it great and refreshing to start afresh....??

Whatever mistakes made in the agreement with EU or other trading partners can now be avoided....as Trump says must cut a good deal..
India the 1st country jump out saying their trade deal with UK weren't their priority, messy and might take a long time. It is not so easy to rebuild everything. Luckily that article 50 more likely trigger on October and although Leave won, they still have enough time to rebuild before divorce with EU.
Quoting xy76
we brits certainly have not miissed an opportunity to screw our country this time
Not that bad mate. Hopefully UK can rebuild fast as EU already saying "Leave is Leave" and hopefully to divorce ASAP.
Quoting ChinaTraderz
Not that bad mate. Hopefully UK can rebuild fast as EU already saying "Leave is Leave" and hopefully to divorce ASAP.
"Leave is Leave" is deal posturing. The EU will put offers on the table. It ain't over until the fat lady sings. Politicians all think they're the most important people on the planet and nobody can function without them. They're wrong. A huge layer of bureaucrats were removed from the Brits backs. But the bureaucrats are not about to let the Brits discover that they could function just fine without them. Imagine the precedent. No, the POLs will not go quietly into the night. The Brits are in for a big fight for liberty. It's the vote heard around the world. But, its only the first shot in a long war.
Quoting ChinaTraderz
Not that bad mate. Hopefully UK can rebuild fast as EU already saying "Leave is Leave" and hopefully to divorce ASAP.
Legally have to sign the Divorce papers , but the EU wont give them up.
Quoting rythmrig
Legally have to sign the Divorce papers , but the EU wont give them up.
Yup, there must be a lot of story behind as mentioned by kenleander, its only the first shot in a long war. Trader will gone crazy on this war. LoL
I am British born and bred and i have been trading since 2010, i don't often write on FF but i use it everyday. Today is one of the saddest days i have ever had as a British citizen.

We as a nation have left the EU and for me it is very painful. Yes i see myself as a Brit first and foremost, but i am also a European and very proud of that fact.

Britain is a beautiful place to live! But that beauty is represented by people of Britain and the world who live here, including the millions that have moved here from Europe over the years. When i step out of my front door and walk down the street i see beautiful cultures all around me. I hear languages from far distant lands and i love it.

If in Britain we lose all that then really we do not have much left.

Forget trading, forget money...none of that matters when it comes to humanity and a persons principles.

For me today Britain has lost something very special and we can never have it back.
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Switzerland is not any less european for not being a "EU member". Same for Monaco. When I stopped paying the membership fees and quit the eurasian club it didnt make be any less eurasian
As if there is but money and economy in life. C'mon! there is a life, there is THE life beyond money and economy:
air, wind, fire, water.
Patience is magic
Quoting Guest
You are right those things are unimportant. The important things to watch are a) Scotland and others leaving the setup and gaining independence (Scotland and Ireland certain) b) gradual political and economic isolation and of course following that c) eventual political and economic oblivion.People die in steps mostly. Byeeeee!!!

The Crow (-_-)
10/10
I'm past trying to understand the commie view. I'm off to party, there's champagne waiting for me. What a day!
Quoting Guest
Switzerland is not any less european for not being a "EU member". Same for Monaco. When I stopped paying the membership fees and quit the eurasian club it didnt make be any less eurasian

This is the post right here.
Everything easy was hard at first
Quoting munibashir
I am British born and bred and i have been trading since 2010, i don't often write on FF but i use it everyday. Today is one of the saddest days i have ever had as a British citizen.

We as a nation have left the EU and for me it is very painful. Yes i see myself as a Brit first and foremost, but i am also a European and very proud of that fact.

Britain is a beautiful place to live! But that beauty is represented by people of Britain and the world who live here, including the millions that have moved here from Europe over the years. When i...
On the contrary, Britain gained something very special today : a vote to restore it's independent democracy - which has been gradually eroded by an unelected (by us) EU Commission and the European Court of Justice. It brings back accountability for the governing class who make our laws - we can vote to get rid of them if they make bad law and our own supreme court will no longer be overruled by the EU Court of Justice.

All the other issues - the economy, immigration etc. are secondary to a properly functioning and independent democracy.

"the millions that have moved here from Europe over the years" are not going to disappear and a great deal of immigration to this country will continue - but we will be able to choose who we accept and be free to bar entry to those who we choose not to accept. It will be this county's decision and not that of the EU Commission or the European Court of Justice.
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And I ask you this. If the referendum was conducted in all 26 members(Greeks and Brits already said out) what will be the result? Exactly the same!
Even Germans have valid reasons to leave in running fashion. The whole project is wrong and it shows. People feel and deep inside know who promotes what and which interest is who's. That's the good part about Democracy. Of the, by the and for the people.

Sure at times it can deliver you a Hitler as lots of people can be deceived for a small amount of time but hey this damn idea has lasted for more than a generation and the results are pain, grief and sorrow for the masses.

Kudos for all realizing enough is enough. For those who don't please be informed there was and can be a world without Brussels.
Na Na Na Hey Hey GOODBYE!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111
I wonder what people who are anti-immigration will do if/when their locales become uninhabitable do to climate change or man-made disturbances, thereby forcing them to flee from their "safe havens" TO those countries whose citizens they shut their doors to?
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Quoting jen101
We have got rid of the worst PM in living memory, a lying traitor.

https://youtu.be/nkc1hOcMAi4
Worst? In my book he's the greatest!
Hilarious "I thought we were just goin to remain" says leave voter.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3658563/Meet-Bregretters-Public-backed-Leave-vote-say-want-STAY-EU-one-admits-didn-t-think-vote-count.html

Quoting san99
I wonder what people who are anti-immigration will do if/when their locales become uninhabitable do to climate change or man-made disturbances, thereby forcing them to flee from their "safe havens" TO those countries whose citizens they shut their doors to?
Oh, you mean like Mexico and the Middle East? Yeah, better not burn those bridges to paradise. SMH. I have to say that the more online comments I read, the less faith I have in any educational system. If there is any liberal out there with even one ounce of common sense and rational thought, please let me know. Just like Bigfoot or the Loch Ness Monster, I don't believe they exist.
They would re start as when they had an endless empire, now with even more "effective" weapons: fire and blood

Quoting san99
I wonder what people who are anti-immigration will do if/when their locales become uninhabitable do to climate change or man-made disturbances, thereby forcing them to flee from their "safe havens" TO those countries whose citizens they shut their doors to?
Patience is magic
Oh please do tell what is so good about the EU and being in it?
Has anyone any sensible reply's?
You seem to have lots to say about anyone who wants to leave!

Make your case for why we should stay? all our so called government could come up with was fear!
Quoting RisklessPips
This is what I wrote 26th April

Cameron will lose his job after the referendum, win or lose. Why ? Because the political psyche has shifted and he represents a vanishing past.

Whoever replaces him will play harder ball with the Eurozone if Brexit is lost in order to address the causes that led to the need for the vote in the first place.

Alternatively, if Brexit is won, they will have the mother of all jobs trying to find a new political dispensation in a World where the UK will be less influential than has been the case for at least one...
The only part I would say differently is "in a World where the UK will be less influential than has been the case for at least one past generation." I understand why you wrote that, and just look at it this way: MORE influential, not less! The number of people whose lives will be touched by this success of Britain's is large.
Quoting san99
I wonder what people who are anti-immigration will do if/when their locales become uninhabitable do to climate change or man-made disturbances, thereby forcing them to flee from their "safe havens" TO those countries whose citizens they shut their doors to?
This Brexit has NOTHING TO DO with anti-immigration or bigotry like what a lot of people are claiming. Britain exiting out of EU does NOT mean all of sudden it's going to close its borders to immigrants or outside migrants. Like I posted before, it just wants to CONTROL what kind of people it wants to accept into the country. And this is a legitimate concern. Every single sovereign country in this world has the right to decide what kind of people it wants to let into the country and what kind it wants to reject and it's not fair to deny this basic right to Britain just because it's part of some monetary union.

And quite honestly if EU who tried to be a "country" by trying to "unifying" all the countries together should've tried to exercise more border control for its entire border of Europe. It failed to do so and instead left it to each sovereign member country in the union to fend for itself, and then turning around now to try to punish one of its member countries for trying to do something that EU failed? That's just hypocritical!

I mean every country and every continent is different. Population overgrowth might not be as much a problem for big countries like United States or Canada but for European countries that have limited geographical space and limited natural resources, it IS an issue and it has nothing to do with racism or bigotry or whatever; it just literally doesn't have that much space to accommodate that many people; you are talking about a country the size of a province in Canada and yet expecting it to accommodate population size 10X over. It just does NOT work.

And even for large countries like China, it (still) has implemented a population quota system via what is called "Hukou" to control the population of its largest cities even WITHIN the country itself. You can live there, work there but you are not considered "citizens" of that CITY just because you weren't born there or "immigrated" there via work or study or your parents did not ""immigrated" there via work or study. And that's just for a CITY within a country. And people are blaming Britain to want to do the same for its entire COUNTRY??!!! That's ridiculous!!

With this Brexit, I hope EU takes a clear and hard look at its current structure and make all the necessary reforms in terms of balancing each member countries' duties, responsibilities and privileges so nobody becomes a permanent freeloader and nobody becomes an permanent ATM machine otherwise Brexit will happen again and again and again in EU.
Make your losses in demo. Earn your profits live.
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I feel the conclusion most of the britian's have come to is made out of self-protection. Everyone's thinking and decision is made with their heart and not with their mind.
I feel all the information they got from the media influenced them to a wrong conclusion.

The leave campaign has mislead a whole nation because:

UK will be forced to compromise on free movement of people to agree a trade deal.
We will still be a partner to europe but now without any voting or veto rights.
The so called we got our control back does not and will not make major difference because we now a small country and not even part of a union so the benefit of dealing with UK will be limited.
EU will make an example out of UK so no other country tries to leave EU that easily!
The £350 million a week saving does not exist!

So the main reasons you voted out of EU; those reasons will still be there!
Quoting Guest
I feel the conclusion most of the britian's have come to is made out of self-protection. Everyone's thinking and decision is made with their heart and not with their mind.
I feel all the information they got from the media influenced them to a wrong conclusion.

The leave campaign has mislead a whole nation because:

UK will be forced to compromise on free movement of people to agree a trade deal.
We will still be a partner to europe but now without any voting or veto rights.
The so called we got our control back does not and will not make...
Nice. Finally someone make some real point that "Leave" Campaign has fully mislead the whole nation. In fact, they became a smaller country now, and of course leading the collapse of United Kingdom instead of EU(Probably Northern Ireland and Scotland might leave them soon)

Probably you should edit because they are not part of union so the benefit of dealing with EU or even worldwide will be limited. Let's take an example you are a businessman. You want to lose 27 clients because of 1 client?

Thirdly, who vote to leave EU? In geographic location analyze, the "Leave" campaign won on those which is mostly remote area vote in vengeance political view instead of which benefit Britain.

Most of other country will leave EU just as Farage's statement? Absolutely not. If you notice, those who announce saying they are the next in fact not the government itself. It is the opposition that hungry on controlling power just like Boris Johnson and Farage kicking out David Cameron. Make it more simple they are trying to start a political war instead of best for the country.

And lastly, most "Leave" campaign said that market will stabilize very quick are another lie. The fact is, when investor realize all problem behind after leave, the Pound depreciate even further. So what will happen? It will create even more unsustainable trade deficit and quick growth of GDP lead to a "recession".
Quoting Forexia
This Brexit has NOTHING TO DO with anti-immigration or bigotry like what a lot of people are claiming. Britain exiting out of EU does NOT mean all of sudden it's going to close its borders to immigrants or outside migrants. Like I posted before, it just wants to CONTROL what kind of people it wants to accept into the country. And this is a legitimate concern. Every single sovereign country in this world has the right to decide what kind of people it wants to let into the country and what kind it wants to reject and it's not fair to deny this...
yeah? what about luxembourg, the richest country in Europe and one of the smallest as well, with more than a third of its population beign foreign?
Quoting ChinaTraderz
Nice. Finally someone make some real point that "Leave" Campaign has fully mislead the whole nation. In fact, they became a smaller country now, and of course leading the collapse of United Kingdom instead of EU(Probably Northern Ireland and Scotland might leave them soon)

Probably you should edit because they are not part of union so the benefit of dealing with EU or even worldwide will be limited. Let's take an example you are a businessman. You want to lose 27 clients because of 1 client?

Thirdly, who vote to leave EU? In geographic location...
DEMOCRACY DEMOCRACY DEMOCRACY. You have missed the point of Brexit completely. The UK knows how to manufacture, design, innovate and trade. All these things we have in abundance. We can make a go of anything and everything. Once we have lost our democracy, it will be near impossible to recover. Immigration, regulation and imposed laws were symptoms of our fading democracy and sovereignty. To some people democracy is not worth selling out for a few sheckles
UK currently is like a country without Leadership. While Boris and Farage wants to lead the country to prosperity. This arse Cameron tell them to go.

If someone to be blamed. It's Cameron. He is the one who cannot follow people choice. He should have led Brexit deal. Or he should give up leadership to Boris or Farage.
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yeah? what about luxembourg, the richest country in Europe and one of the smallest as well, with more than a third of its population beign foreign?
Interestingly Luxemberg has set it's business taxes very low, and allowed a very closed banking system hence so many internet business base themselve out of Luxemberg for administrative purposes (code for low taxation levels) also it is home to many of the highest paid officials in the EU which constitute a very large proportion of the foreigners. It is also very expensive indeed. I made the mistake of stopping there once while driving through and was shocked at the prices.

Perhaps not a good example.
Prices of what? Out of rent, prices are not that high compared to neighboring countries. I know one lady who goes from Brussels to Luxembourg shopping for clothes. .

Quoting nbfx
Interestingly Luxemberg has set it's business taxes very low, and allowed a very closed banking system hence so many internet business base themselve out of Luxemberg for administrative purposes (code for low taxation levels) also it is home to many of the highest paid officials in the EU which constitute a very large proportion of the foreigners. It is also very expensive indeed. I made the mistake of stopping there once while driving through and was shocked at the prices.

Perhaps not a good example.
Patience is magic
Quoting nbfx
Interestingly Luxemberg has set it's business taxes very low, and allowed a very closed banking system hence so many internet business base themselve out of Luxemberg for administrative purposes (code for low taxation levels) also it is home to many of the highest paid officials in the EU which constitute a very large proportion of the foreigners. It is also very expensive indeed. I made the mistake of stopping there once while driving through and was shocked at the prices.

Perhaps not a good example.
Check your facts before you post your BS here please, would you? Only tiny little fraction of Luxembourg's foreign workforce are eurocrats. The rest are specialists, tradesmen, unqualified ones - including some British immigrants indeed. Very low unemployment, high growth and salaries, which is somehow connected, impossible to have everything on the cheap and to earn well... Why? Use your brain...
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DEMOCRACY DEMOCRACY DEMOCRACY. You have missed the point of Brexit completely. The UK knows how to manufacture, design, innovate and trade. All these things we have in abundance. We can make a go of anything and everything. Once we have lost our democracy, it will be near impossible to recover. Immigration, regulation and imposed laws were symptoms of our fading democracy and sovereignty. To some people democracy is not worth selling out for a few sheckles
Rather dummocracy. All that rant about British superior race is pointless, this country cannot manufacture a bloody lawnmower anymore. Get real, before the reality tells you to get lost...
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Rather dummocracy. All that rant about British superior race is pointless, this country cannot manufacture a bloody lawnmower anymore. Get real, before the reality tells you to get lost...
Where exactly was the term "British superior race" used or even implied? Stating that the UK is a capable country seems to offend you. It seems that you are not a fan of democracy either
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Where exactly was the term "British superior race" used or even implied? Stating that the UK is a capable country seems to offend you. It seems that you are not a fan of democracy either
Well, it was implied indeed. Do not be delusional: the only thing that Brexit referendum has proved so far is the deep crisis of British democracy in general and of its political class in particular. Thing is, democratically elected leaders are not to follow the masses blindly, wherever the wind of easily manipulated public opinion (read: polls and surveys) blows. It is about LEADING, which means: taking responsibility and having the very ability of seeing past next election's timeframe, then having courage to explain how things are to the public. For this to work, 2 elements are required: critically thinking citizens, instead of thoughtless hordes of easily fooled idiots and able politicians, instead of sleazy, opportunistic rats, first to leave sinking ship. Both of these are sorely lacking in our country these days...
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Check your facts before you post your BS here please, would you? Only tiny little fraction of Luxembourg's foreign workforce are eurocrats. The rest are specialists, tradesmen, unqualified ones - including some British immigrants indeed. Very low unemployment, high growth and salaries, which is somehow connected, impossible to have everything on the cheap and to earn well... Why? Use your brain...
So every time I buy something from say Amazon SarL (among others) that is not luxembourg for admin(tax) purposes. And the Eurocrats that live there don't do so because it is a nice place to live? And they don't spend much of their earnings there raising the tide for all? And how about their closed banking system that has been used for years to park money out of eye-shot.
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Luxembourg agreed on Tuesday (14 October) to end its bank secrecy rules from 2017, yielding to a decade of pressure from Germany and the United States, marking a breakthrough in global efforts to reduce tax evasion.

OH and among the roughly 1/2 million population around 180,000 are from other EU countries and while there are those that live and work there, there are many others who simply reside there bringing money with them.
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So every time I buy something from say Amazon SarL (among others) that is not luxembourg for admin(tax) purposes. And the Eurocrats that live there don't do so because it is a nice place to live? And they don't spend much of their earnings there raising the tide for all? And how about their closed banking system that has been used for years to park money out of eye-shot.


OH and among the roughly 1/2 million population around 180,000 are from other EU countries and while there are those that live and work there, there are many others who simply...
The sort of spin you present is perhaps good enough for an average DM reader, but will not help you much here. What fraction of the country's 200k foreign population are eurocrats? And how many you think "just live there", like British parasites in Spain? Vast majority of Luxembourg's foreign population are workers, who contribute to the system.
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Thing is, democratically elected leaders are not to follow the masses blindly, wherever the wind of easily manipulated public opinion (read: polls and surveys) blows. It is about LEADING, which means: taking responsibility and having the very ability of seeing past next election's timeframe, then having courage to explain how things are to the public. For this to work, 2 elements are required: critically thinking citizens, instead of thoughtless hordes of easily fooled idiots and able politicians, instead of sleazy, opportunistic rats, first to...
If we had any leaders or indeed capable politicians, we would not have been in this mess in the first place. If we had critical thinking, responsible and able politicians, they would not have allowed the EU to impose its will on the UK or allowed it to grow into a super state. It is because of those incapable leaders that the people had to step in and inject a little reality. The EU is sunk and it is precisely because of the EU and its power grab by the great unelected that it is sunk
Quoting Devauxt
If we had any leaders or indeed capable politicians, we would not have been in this mess in the first place. If we had critical thinking, responsible and able politicians, they would not have allowed the EU to impose its will on the UK or allowed it to grow into a super state. It is because of those incapable leaders that the people had to step in and inject a little reality. The EU is sunk and it is precisely because of the EU and its power grab by the great unelected that it is sunk
I beg to differ here. The EU has been the greatest political project in our part of the world, flawed as it is. It gave Europe decades of peace and prosperity. The only problem that most of us Brits have is that EU is a union of equals, which means cooperation - and we always want to rule others, which means domination. What is wrong, after all, with EU slowly drifting towards some sort of federation?
Quoting xy76
I beg to differ here. The EU has been the greatest political project in our part of the world, flawed as it is. It gave Europe decades of peace and prosperity. The only problem that most of us Brits have is that EU is a union of equals, which means cooperation - and we always want to rule others, which means domination. What is wrong, after all, with EU slowly drifting towards some sort of federation?
Nothing, the idea is superb but the application has been hijacked and corrupted!
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I beg to differ here. The EU has been the greatest political project in our part of the world, flawed as it is. It gave Europe decades of peace and prosperity. The only problem that most of us Brits have is that EU is a union of equals, which means cooperation - and we always want to rule others, which means domination. What is wrong, after all, with EU slowly drifting towards some sort of federation?
What's wrong is we weren't asked.

We weren't asked when sovereignty was handed over by John Major in the Maastricht Treaty.

And we weren't asked when even more sovereignty was handed over when Tony Blair signed the Lisbon treaty.

Part of the responsibility is with the EU, part is with our own government.

Parliament, nor executive should have the right to sign away the sovereign rights of the people without putting it to referendum.

The EU is a wonderful idea. But as Obama said EU integration moved too far along without adequate consensus - which is a polite way of saying the EU was trying to move ahead without the democratic support of the people.
Quoting gandolf13
Nothing, the idea is superb but the application has been hijacked and corrupted!
Like all human ideas, our very own Westminster included.
Quoting verv
What's wrong is we weren't asked.

We weren't asked when sovereignty was handed over by John Major in the Maastricht Treaty.

And we weren't asked when even more sovereignty was handed over when Tony Blair signed the Lisbon treaty.

Part of the responsibility is with the EU, part is with our own government.

Parliament, nor executive should have the right to sign away the sovereign rights of the people without putting it to referendum.

Democracy - the will of people - is executed through its representatives. Referendum was a big mistake. What sort of democracy it is, when two guys, media moguls who do not even pay their taxes here, have won?
Quoting xy76
Democracy - the will of people - is executed through its representatives. Referendum was a big mistake. What sort of democracy it is, when two guys, media moguls who do not even pay their taxes here, have won?
You are completely wrong.

Sovereignty is not something that is in the hands of politicians.

Politicians are tasked with executing the democratic will of the people, politicians in a democracy serve the people, not the other way around.

The handing over of sovereignty is not a matter of elected politicians. It is for the people to decide, because they own the government, they own their sovereignty, government does not own the people, government does no decide who governs the people.

People like you don't even understand what democracy is... it is disgusting.
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Democracy - the will of people - is executed through its representatives. Referendum was a big mistake. What sort of democracy it is, when two guys, media moguls who do not even pay their taxes here, have won?
Here is the beginning of the US declaration of independence...

''When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.''


Read it. Think about what it means.

The founding fathers, in their declaration of independence nailed it.

They understood the role of government, because they understood what it was like to be oppressed by one.
Quoting verv
Here is the beginning of the US declaration of independence...

''When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal,...
No needs to read it again. If you think that EU fails the Declaration and it is equal to despotism, dictatorship etc. then you are a living proof as to why referendums are doomed to be a failure in this country. People like you do not understand anything, not to mention such complex ideas as democracy. Comparing EU to 18th century British Empire... Sorry mate, but I think you need to see a doctor, to have your head examined.
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No needs to read it again. If you think that EU fails the Declaration and it is equal to despotism, dictatorship etc. then you are a living proof as to why referendums are doomed to be a failure in this country. People like you do not understand anything, not to mention such complex deas as democracy. Comparing EU to 18th century British Empire... Sorry mate, but I think you need to see a doctor, to have your head examined.
I'm sorry, but am I missing something here. You are claiming to be a democratic, yet you are saying that the people of this country should not have had the right to vote on the future direction of this country. Is this some of dark humor? What a ridiculous thing to say.

The EU is not the imperial British, that was not the comparison. The entire point of me posting that was to demonstrate that the founding fathers understood precisely what government was and that it was to take direction from the people. Not the other way around.

Your problem is you don't really understand what government is for. In a democracy we give a government its power.


Read here, 1 through 6.
https://leftnorrightblacknorwhite.wordpress.com/2016/05/03/about/
The exercise is silly, but the points it makes are not
Quoting verv
I'm sorry, but am I missing something here. You are claiming to be a democratic, yet you are saying that the people of this country should not have had the right to vote on the future direction of this country. Is this some of dark humor? What a ridiculous thing to say.

The EU is not the imperial British, that was not the comparison. The entire point of me posting that was to demonstrate, that the founding fathers understood precisely what government was and that it was to take direction from the people. Not the other way around.

You...
Yes, people vote to elect their representatives - the Parliament. The elected then elect a government among themselves. The government rules, the parliament creates laws. There is a difference between democracy and anarchy. Between the rule of people and that of a mob.
The referendum was the only way out, the trap was closing.
Quoting xy76
Yes, people vote to elect their representatives - the Parliament. The elected then elect a government among themselves. The government rules, the parliament creates laws. There is a dufference between democracy and anarchy. Between rule of people and that of a mob.
You post = random statement of facts.

Again, very simply.

It is not the right of government to give up the sovereignty of the people.

Government is elected to run the country within the bounds of a constitution.

In the UK we need our constitution written down.
We are talking about the very organisation that when France and Holland voted against a proposed constitution and closer union pulled the proposal and sought an alternative method to enact their constitution via a grand deception that was the Lisbon Treaty. France and Holland were the first two to vote and their rejection was deemed inconvenient and ultimately irrelevant.

Any organisation that seeks to assume powers to itself via such means fits that description no matter how benign or benevolent they may intend to be.
Quoting nbfx
We are talking about the very organisation that when France and Holland voted against a proposed constitution and closer union pulled the proposal and sought an alternative method to enact their constitution via a grand deception that was the Lisbon Treaty. France and Holland were the first two to vote and their rejection was deemed inconvenient and ultimately irrelevant.

Any organisation that seeks to assume powers to itself via such means fits that description no matter how benign or benevolent they may intend to be.
Exactly.

And the heads of our countries were complicit in the handing over of sovereignty without the consent of the people.
Quoting xy76
I beg to differ here. The EU has been the greatest political project in our part of the world, flawed as it is. It gave Europe decades of peace and prosperity. The only problem that most of us Brits have is that EU is a union of equals, which means cooperation - and we always want to rule others, which means domination. What is wrong, after all, with EU slowly drifting towards some sort of federation?
Interesting, because the UK only ever voted to join a European trading bloc. The EEC turned itself in the EU without the consent of the people. The EU has had nothing to do with peace in Europe. NATO has been the peace keeper and everytime the EU has had tried to involve itself, it has been a disaster. Union of equals, except some are more equal than others, especially those who are unelected and unaccountable. And if you think there is nothing wrong with the EU becoming a federation or in my words Super State, put it to the vote in each of the member countries. See how far it gets then. Government is for the people and by the people. The EU is for the EU and stuff the people
Quoting verv
Again, very simply.

It is not the right of government to give up the sovereignty of the people.

Government is elected to run the country within the bounds of a constitution.

In the UK we need our constitution written down.
You do not even understand the very difference between the parliament and the government, yet you feel capable of dictating the future of this country for the generations to come! You are part of the problem, not a solution.
It is for parliament to decide whether to leave the EU, or not, since referendum's power is only an advisory one. I bet you do not know this, either.
I sincerely hope our MPs will have more sense, than our government and these deluded millions, who voted 'Out'.
Quoting xy76
Yes, people vote to elect their representatives - the Parliament. The elected then elect a government among themselves. The government rules, the parliament creates laws. There is a difference between democracy and anarchy. Between the rule of people and that of a mob.
In case you failed to notice the entire British political system is now in reform thanks to democracy, they failed us, they are out across the board, we are starting anew.
You want your corrupt Federal Europe, fine keep it.
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In case you failed to notice the entire British political system is now in reform thanks to democracy, they failed us, they are out across the board, we are starting anew.
You want your corrupt Federal Europe, fine keep it.
Sure, go get it reformed. With that clown Farage, a failed commodity trader who has scrounged Brussels for years, Aussie Murdoch and that Viscount someone of something who owns DM. None of these guys pay even taxes in this country, yet you have let them sh!t in your heads. Good riddance to you all.
Quoting Devauxt
Interesting, because the UK only ever voted to join a European trading bloc. The EEC turned itself in the EU without the consent of the people. The EU has had nothing to do with peace in Europe. NATO has been the peace keeper and everytime the EU has had tried to involve itself, it has been a disaster. Union of equals, except some are more equal than others, especially those who are unelected and unaccountable. And if you think there is nothing wrong with the EU becoming a federation or in my words Super State, put it to the vote in each of the...
People did consent, through their elected parliaments. Do you vite every singke piece of law through referendym, or is it parliament's duty?
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You do not even understand the very difference between the parliament and the government, yet you feel capable of dictating the future of this country for the generations to come! You are part of the problem, not a solution.
It is for parliament to decide whether to leave the EU, or not, since referendum's power is only an advisory one. I bet you do not know this, either.
I sincerely hope our MPs will have more sense, than our government and these deluded millions, who voted 'Out'.
Do you seriously believe that I don't understand, that in the UK the parliament, and the government (being a majority) are different? Do you seriously think you are blowing my mind right now?

Do you also think I have not read the constant herp derp in the media about the referendum not being legally binding?

Seriously. You give yourself too much credit. Well done for being able to comprehend basic English.

Now understand this. You are wrong. Completely, obliviously and utterly wrong.

You cannot seriously tell me you believe in democracy and on the other hand tell me that the country doesn't have a right to dictate its future via a referendum. You cannot be a democrat and only enact those referendum results which suits you.

You are an unthinking clueless moron. A typical Remain voter with zero depth of knowledge of the issues of hand, and zero self awareness to understand the contradictions in your own posts.

At least cliffedwards, the 'Remainer' that he is, is educated in his opinion. You though...
We are staying and will shortly be growing, I assume by your comment you will be leaving, are you Scottish and 39 years old by chance?
Quoting verv
Do you seriously believe that I don't understand, that in the UK the parliament, and the government (being the largest party) aren't the same? Do you seriously think you are blowing my mind right now?

Do you also think I have not read the constant herp derp in the media about the referendum not being legally binding?

Seriously. You give yourself too much credit. Well done for being able to comprehend basic English.

Now understand this. You are wrong. Completely, obliviously and utterly wrong.

You cannot seriously tell me you believe...
Typical Brexiteer you are: big mouth, null brain and resorting to offence, once everything else fails. Get a grip, mate. You obviously think very highly of yourself but, as a matter of fact, you are just a typical idiot, who cannot even see his own shortcomings. Shame it is your kind who has just flushed this great country down the toilet.

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We are staying and will shortly be growing, I assume by your comment you will be leaving, are you Scottish and 39 years old by chance?
Well, I am from Scotland. So what?
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Typical Brexiteer you are: big mouth, null brain and resorting to offence, once everything else fails. Get a grip, mate. You obviously think very highly of yourself but, as a matter of fact, you are just a typical idiot, who cannot even see his own shortcomings. Shame it is your kind who has just flushed this great country down the toilet.
Actually.

I'm the opposite of the typical Leave voter.

I'm young(ish), highly educated, make good money, from a region that voted Remain.... I'm only telling you this because I am the exact opposite of the stereotype you tried to peg me as and the exact opposite of where my supposed demographic says I would vote.

I can hear you say 'but... but... but... I thought Leave voters were all old or young uneducated voters with no jobs.'

Seriously, shows what you know. And yes I am not above calling people rude names... you fukking ignoramus. I reserve the right to cause insult, free speech is like democracy, you can't pick and choose which parts you like.

And btw, you didn't refute any of my points. Just thought I would remind you of that.
Quoting xy76
Well, I am from Scotland. So what?
Who is the stereotype now.

Amazing, never seen so many contradictions in one place.

Talk about not being able to break the mold.

Here is another contradiction... all you Remain voters are always crying on about helping the poor, yet mass immigration, more than any policy, has marginalised the poor low skilled people in our country by introducing mass competition for low skill jobs thereby undercutting wages.

You are really a typically leftie. With your faux moral outrage.
Quoting verv
Actually.

I'm the opposite of the typical Leave voter.

I'm young, highly educated, make good money.... I'm only telling you this because I am the exact opposite of the stereotype you tried to peg me as.

I can hear you say 'but... but... but... I thought Leave voters were all old or young educated voters with no jobs.'

Seriously, shows what you know. And yes I am not above calling people rude names, you... fukking ignoramus

And btw, you didn't refute any of my points. Just thought I would remind you of that.
It does not matter how well educated you are and how good money you make. Obviously, your money is not good enough to buy even a slice of heavily discounted intellect, and the narrow passage of your mind speaks volumes about the state of our education system. Being young also does not help much in your case, it seems.
I have addressed all your points in this sorry exchange. You are not literate enough to comprehend it? Well, that is not my fault...
You can call me any obscenities you like pal, but it does not make you look any less simpleton you truly are.
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It does not matter how well educated you are and how good money you make. Obviously, your money is not good enough to buy even a slice of heavily discounted intellect, and the narrow passage of your mind speaks volumes about the state of our education system. Being young also does not help much in your case, it seems.
I have addressed all your points in this sorry exchange. You are not literate enough to comprehend it? Well, that is not my fault...
You can call me any obscenities you like pal, but it does not make you look any less simpleton...
I get paid to comprehend data, I assure you if I was incapable of understanding plain English I wouldn't have passed my review. I fully understand what you are trying to say, it just so happens none of it makes sense.

You said you were a democrat and then went on to say who didn't believe in the vote. You said you believe governments should remove peoples sovereignty, without asking, and then tried to claim it was democratic. I called you out on that, and the response was incoherent contradictory babble.

The only reason why I brought up my education is because you specifically brought it up by trying to stereotype me as being stupid. Education speaks nothing of intelligence, I should know because I now teach a university level. You might even be one of my many low IQ students that pass through the doors of the university I work in.

I see Remain voters like you, day in and day out. How do you think I rolled you over so easily - practice
Wow, a chip on your shoulder that big. Are you ginger too? xy76
Quoting verv
Who is the stereotype now.

Amazing, never seen so many contradictions in one place.

Talk about not being able to break the mold.

Here is another contradiction... all you Remain voters are always crying on about helping the poor, yet mass immigration, more than any policy, has marginalised the poor low skilled people in our country by introducing mass competition for low skill jobs thereby undercutting of wages.

You are really a typically leftie. With your faux moral outrage.

No loser, I am not leftie. I am actually all for free market, which includes freedom of movement as well. I believe that, just as I have the right to sell my skills to an employer in, say, Frankfurt, a farm worker from Bulgaria should have exactly the same right to sell his labour here, in the UK. Ever heard of a free market economy concept? You are very well educated indeed.

It is you, Brexiteers, who falsely pretend to be tribunes, yet you have been just manipulating masses for your own stinky political agenda. You wear brown, buddy, and I am not talking about your pants...
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No loser, I am not leftie. I am actually all for free market, which includes freedom of movement as well. I believe that, just as I have the right to sell my skills to an employer in, say, Frankfurt, a farm worker from Bulgaria should have exactly the same right to sell his labour here, in the UK. Ever heard of a free market economy concept? You are very well educated indeed.

It is you, Brexiteers, who falsely pretend to be tribunes, yet you have been just manipulating masses for your own stinky political agenda. You wear brown, buddy, and I...
Actually, academia is strongly in favor of membership of the EU, because of funding. Another stereotype I buck fyi. I voted Leave, in spite of the fact that may be a threat to my future employment - if the Remain voters with their exaggerated predictions are correct. So how exactly is voting myself out of job in my selfish self interest if the doom and gloom predictions you make are true?

We Leave voters are more complicated than you dare give us credit.

If by stinky political agenda you mean voting to keep my sovereignty, then I plead guilty as charged.
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Sure, go get it reformed. With that clown Farage, a failed commodity trader who has scrounged Brussels for years, Aussie Murdoch and that Viscount someone of something who owns DM. None of these guys pay even taxes in this country, yet you have let them sh!t in your heads. Good riddance to you all.
I would you look very hard at the chart I have told you too Google. Study it. Google all the dates. Then you will suddenly realise that we have all been conned and not by the referendum. What better way to get an economy going again. Instill fear amongst the population and pit one group against the other. Like you have said "freedom of speech is Democracy "YOU CANT PICK AND CHOOSEWHICH PART YOU LIKE" The referendum was a democratic vote. So like you have pointed out " You cant pick and choose which part you like" . The only party to this democratic vote that cant accept the results seem to be the "REMAIN" camp. Too them I say get over it and move on.
Out of disasters comes opportunities. Like one person said " With the commercial realestate hitting the wall then that will give the small operators the chance to reenter the market .
verv:



You may be paid as well for twisting data. I guess you are one of these so called spin doctors, or other PR sort.
You did not roll anything here, except perhaps your numptiness. Find me a single line where I said the government should override people's will. I said something completely different: the parliament represents peple's will and, as such, can override referendum. Unless we state, in our laws, the opposite. As it stands now, though, referendum is only advisory and legally our parliament represents the people. The government does not.

You are loosing your ground mate, hence the competition on who's got a bigger... Once again, I feel sorry for the university you graduated of, and the one you curently work for.
Quoting verv
Actually, academia is strongly in favor of membership of the EU, because of funding. Another stereotype I buck fyi. I voted Leave, in spite of the fact that may be a threat to my future employment - if the Remain voters with their exaggerated predictions are correct. So how exactly voting myself out of job in my selfish self interest if the doom and gloom predictions you make are true?

We Leave voters are more complicated than you dare give us credit.

If by stinky political agenda you mean voting to keep my sovereignty, then I plead guilty...
If you think that EU is a threat to our sovereignity then again... with all your education etc. your critical thinking leaves much to be desired
Quoting xy76
Find me a single line where I said the government should override people's will. I said something completely different: the parliament represents peple's will and, as such, can override referendum. Unless we state, in our laws, the opposite.


Ok....

Quoting xy76
Democracy - the will of people - is executed through its representatives. Referendum was a big mistake.
Quoting xy76
It is for parliament to decide whether to leave the EU, or not, since referendum's power is only an advisory one. I bet you do not know this, either.
I sincerely hope our MPs will have more sense, than our government and these deluded millions, who voted 'Out'.

Lmao... you actually can't even comprehend your own thoughts.

OK it has been fun, but it is bed time. Work beckons in the morning. I pay taxes btw, I know a Leave voter who pays taxes - I still can't believe it either.

I can sort of tell from your posts, that you don't pay taxes, all sorts of irony there. I'm sorta of regretting engaging in debate with a well meaning but ultimately clueless kid.

If you are young... sorry I was harsh.
Experts are only "Drips under Pressure"
The best educator in life is Life experience.
1971 Nixon cancelled the tie to gold. Did it hurt the USA?
Swiss broke away from the Euro. They are still getting over that.
In fact the Swiss was known for having enough gold to cover the franc. Not no more.
Timing is the key to any opportunity
Quoting verv
Ok....






Lmao... you actually can't even comprehend your own thoughts.

OK it has been fun, but it is bed time. Work beckons in the morning. I pay taxes btw, I know a Leave voter who pays taxes - I still can't believe it either.

I can sort of tell from your posts, that you don't pay taxes, all sorts of irony there. I'm sorta of regretting engaging in debate with a well meaning but ultimately clueless kid.

If you are young... sorry I was harsh.
Nice to see you make a nut of yourself so gallantly.
This referendum has not been given legislational power. We are not direct democracy, like Switzerland. Instead, we elect our representatives - the parliament - and they make legislation on our behalf. It is called representative democracy. It is ellementary, I know, but not elementary enough for you...
It was a big mistake not to tell people so, let alone to decide such matter by DIRECT vote.

I can see you are a sort of an arrogant pr!ck, but it does not buy you much intelligence, I am affraid.
And about your taxes... Pathetic, simply pathetic. I would start saving fir brain transplant if I were you, though.
Quoting verv
Do you seriously believe that I don't understand, that in the UK the parliament, and the government (being a majority) are different? Do you seriously think you are blowing my mind right now?

Do you also think I have not read the constant herp derp in the media about the referendum not being legally binding?

Seriously. You give yourself too much credit. Well done for being able to comprehend basic English.

Now understand this. You are wrong. Completely, obliviously and utterly wrong.

You cannot seriously tell me you believe in democracy...
Thanks verv, I totally agree. I see xy76 as the Vicky Pollard of the Remain camp. He has an interesting concept of democracy. Apparently we vote in Politicians so that they can do as they like. Quaint
Quoting xy76
I can see you are a sort of an arrogant pr!ck, but it does not buy you much intelligence, I am affraid.
And about your taxes... Pathetic, simply pathetic. I would start saving fir brain transplant if I were you, though.
You do know that the only person you belittle with such outbursts is yourself?
Na! Na! Na! Na! Hey! Hey! Hey! So long!
The immediate near term prospects for the UK economy don't look promising. The politics look even less so.

About the only thing that can make things worse right now is if the wrong candidate (Gove - petty vindictive backstabber, Leadsom - opportunistic with less experience than an inexperienced person) gets selected as Tory chief resulting in a successful vote of no confidence in the commons. A hastily arranged late Autumn general election ensues leading to the election of that closet exiter Corbyn. He having a flimsy mandate then bungles the Brexit negotiations because his entire team don't support him.

Phew - I was dreaming thank god everything is normal. I really should start writing political thrillers.
Quoting RisklessPips
The immediate near term prospects for the UK economy don't look promising. The politics look even less so.

About the only thing that can make things worse right now is if the wrong candidate (Gove - petty vindictive backstabber, Leadsom - opportunistic with less experience than an inexperienced person) gets selected as Tory chief resulting in a successful vote of no confidence in the commons. A hastily arranged late Autumn general election ensues leading to the election of that closet exiter Corbyn. He having a flimsy mandate then bungles the...
I think everyone has been disappointed in Gove. Theresa May could be the answer as she has historically been Eurosceptic and maybe has a bit of Thatcher about her. I would have loved Thatcher to get into a room with Junker and been a fly on the wall. Corbyn will never be PM
Quoting RisklessPips
The immediate near term prospects for the UK economy don't look promising. The politics look even less so.

About the only thing that can make things worse right now is if the wrong candidate (Gove - petty vindictive backstabber, Leadsom - opportunistic with less experience than an inexperienced person) gets selected as Tory chief resulting in a successful vote of no confidence in the commons. A hastily arranged late Autumn general election ensues leading to the election of that closet exiter Corbyn. He having a flimsy mandate then bungles the...

Oh Nooooo my dream might turn out to be a nightmare

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/politics/team-theresa-might-be-about-to-hand-andrea-leadsom-the-very-thin/
Quoting nbfx
You do know that the only person you belittle with such outbursts is yourself?
No offence intended, just returning the favour.
Quoting xy76
yeah? what about luxembourg, the richest country in Europe and one of the smallest as well, with more than a third of its population beign foreign?
What about it?
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